Why can't Nightblades think outside the box?

khele23eb17_ESO · February 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

The change was too harsh. If every other class were to receive the same treatment Nightblades received; there would be a move that disables damage shields for 3 seconds, a move that disables heals for 3 seconds, and a move that would disable all reflecting abilities for 3 seconds. People who say this was a fair change just have something against Nightblades.

This. Also putting a lockout mechanism into a game with only 6 slots on your bar... thats an absurd idea. In limited action bar games, the moment a skill becomes situational it becomes almost useless.

KhajiitiLizard · February 2016

Does magelight lockout invisible potions? If not NBs gonna become addicted to them.

Junkogen · February 2016

You could ask this question of any class. There are all kinds of cookie cutter builds being played. Wrecking blow anyone? Shield stackers? Overload? Are there any other Sorc builds besides an Altmer shield stacking, streaking, frag Sorc? How many Dunmer DKs are there? I don't get why you're singling out one class and playstyle.

If anyone should think outside the box, it's all the whiners whining about how OP cloak is. Use the counters or take your gank like a grown up. You made your choice not to counter it. The thing is, the cloak nerf is unnecessary. So is the buff to magelight.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

The changes made cloak useless. It was the most unreliable ability in the game, and I only used it for it's purge, and they got rid of that; now it's off my bar. As for people that use cloak as part of a rotation; this change has crippled their play style, and the only way cloak is going to be viable is from a distance.

The change was too harsh. If every other class were to receive the same treatment Nightblades received; there would be a move that disables damage shields for 3 seconds, a move that disables heals for 3 seconds, and a move that would disable all reflecting abilities for 3 seconds. People who say this was a fair change just have something against Nightblades.

Personally this change doesn't bother me because the move was crap. However I'm not going to pretend that this was a fair change. Now Cloak is going to be like Immovable. A move that's kind of useful but not really.

well there is mayor defile.....
P.s. i am a NB

Master_Kas · February 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

The changes made cloak useless. It was the most unreliable ability in the game, and I only used it for it's purge, and they got rid of that; now it's off my bar. As for people that use cloak as part of a rotation; this change has crippled their play style, and the only way cloak is going to be viable is from a distance.

The change was too harsh. If every other class were to receive the same treatment Nightblades received; there would be a move that disables damage shields for 3 seconds, a move that disables heals for 3 seconds, and a move that would disable all reflecting abilities for 3 seconds. People who say this was a fair change just have something against Nightblades.

Personally this change doesn't bother me because the move was crap. However I'm not going to pretend that this was a fair change. Now Cloak is going to be like Immovable. A move that's kind of useful but not really.

well there is mayor defile.....
P.s. i am a NB

Comparing major defile which you can purge vs a lockout of a skill? Right

xellink · February 2016

KingDuncanVII wrote: »

Witar wrote: »

The only reason this class was so popular in pvp is absurdly easy combo of cloak+ambush.
Now when cloak was nerfed they actually need to put some effort and strategy to win fights.
And they don't want to. Typical childish behavior.

I'd just like to point out, the Nightblade class is essentially meant to be an "Assassin". That being said, an Assassin's mindset isn't to get into a back-and-forth fight. It's to assassinate (or deal a lot of damage in a very small window). So, as a Nightblade, my "strategy" is to deal as much damage as I can within a very small window. If that person doesn't die or it is taking longer than expected, I'll escape back into the shadows and figure out a better strategy to take that person out (either by getting assistance or waiting for them to be off guard). If someone chose to be a Nightblade, it's most likely because they like the idea of being an assassin/hunter and want to adapt to that playstyle in ESO.

You are not thinking out of the box. I'm sure players who want to play as death knights also pick night blades. Holding a 2h sword and calling yourself an assassin?

Artjuh90 · February 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

The changes made cloak useless. It was the most unreliable ability in the game, and I only used it for it's purge, and they got rid of that; now it's off my bar. As for people that use cloak as part of a rotation; this change has crippled their play style, and the only way cloak is going to be viable is from a distance.

The change was too harsh. If every other class were to receive the same treatment Nightblades received; there would be a move that disables damage shields for 3 seconds, a move that disables heals for 3 seconds, and a move that would disable all reflecting abilities for 3 seconds. People who say this was a fair change just have something against Nightblades.

Personally this change doesn't bother me because the move was crap. However I'm not going to pretend that this was a fair change. Now Cloak is going to be like Immovable. A move that's kind of useful but not really.

well there is mayor defile.....
P.s. i am a NB

Comparing major defile which you can purge vs a lockout of a skill? Right

true but there is a counter to healing if you want it so that's not bad.
just no real counter to reflect and shields (i dont count a niche set as a counter because you gimmick yourself to only be strong to your counter and lose to all the rest)
that was the point i was making. and cloak already had the most counters.

Nysticc · February 2016

Calm down everyone, all we Nightblades have to do is run purge. problem solved.

NoMoreChillies · February 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

why cant sorcs stay inside the box? why cant Templars get a box instead of a wet paper bag?
dk's are cool though, we burn boxes

made me LOL hard

thanks

Oldmanlawlor · February 2016

My nightbkade is a tank. And they make fantastic tanks at that.

So I am outside the box

Eejit1331 · February 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

Eejit1331 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Eejit1331 wrote: »

Learn to adapt like all other classea, changes classes or leave, but the river of tears is just comical and over dramatic.
The changes being made are solid counters but not by any means eliminating cloak. Cloak will still be OP to skilled players. With a little theory crafting Nightblades will be just fine. L2P

I know this is a mockery of araxleons thread but.

What if evil hunter did this:

Gave the person having it slotted 2% max stan and stam regen
The crit as it have now

And "Prevents enemy from using a damage shield for 5 second".

How would you like that? Balanced? Noo it's our main defense yada yada.

And don't give me a bs reply about using shieldbreaker. lightattacks which has a cooldown and are outhealable isn't close to what magelight does to cloak (oh and aoe and detection pots)

How if there was a pot that made me ignore damage shields?
What if some specific attack made shields useless (like aoe for example) ?

Not even comparable for one second, but whatever floats your boat

FYI: I will think outside the box as NB has been my main since launch

@Masrer_Kas good eye, but there is truth to what i say. I would say both the NB and Sorc classes cry like no other. I give props to DKs for the lack of QQ and temp have always been sub par so that's all they know and may not even know they should be qq'ing..lol.. to all fairness, I don't want to see the nerf, but only if they put reflect and GDB back to how it was, tone down the nerfs on sorcs and if the temps aren't a healing class, get rid of the healing tree and give them something else. But... none of this will happen, all classes have dealt with huge nerfs and now it is the NB turn. NB have been screaming their class is broken for years, but have also been the main antagonists in the nerfs of other classes. When you point at someone you have three finger pointing back, just a reminder for all classes/races. Now, it is time to think outside the box and maybe we all can learn from this and begin to have some linear thinking and how these ripples will damage our beloved game.

Fully agreed Already have somethings in mind for my stamina nightblade. Will be fun when probably alot of players will roll back to magicka specs.

The nerfs was coming, was just a matter of time. We'll see where it takes us.

Same here. I am actually Changing my Breton magicka NB to stamina to go and challenge myself. I feel that this may create unforeseen opportunities.

xellink · February 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

The changes made cloak useless. It was the most unreliable ability in the game, and I only used it for it's purge, and they got rid of that; now it's off my bar. As for people that use cloak as part of a rotation; this change has crippled their play style, and the only way cloak is going to be viable is from a distance.

The change was too harsh. If every other class were to receive the same treatment Nightblades received; there would be a move that disables damage shields for 3 seconds, a move that disables heals for 3 seconds, and a move that would disable all reflecting abilities for 3 seconds. People who say this was a fair change just have something against Nightblades.

Personally this change doesn't bother me because the move was crap. However I'm not going to pretend that this was a fair change. Now Cloak is going to be like Immovable. A move that's kind of useful but not really.

well there is mayor defile.....
P.s. i am a NB

Comparing major defile which you can purge vs a lockout of a skill? Right

true but there is a counter to healing if you want it so that's not bad.
just no real counter to reflect and shields (i dont count a niche set as a counter because you gimmick yourself to only be strong to your counter and lose to all the rest)
that was the point i was making. and cloak already had the most counters.

A counter to reflect is a counter-counter. You don't want to go to counter-counter or counter-counter-counter territory.

Tabbycat · February 2016

While you are busy thinking outside the box, this one will be stealing what's in it.

RDMyers65b14_ESO · February 2016

Will someone please help get the nightblade boxes out of the templar house? We're not moving so we don't need all of the boxes. (/silliness)?

Speely · February 2016

I do not PvP with a NB and I use Radiant Magelight to counter them in PvP... And I think that the Inner Light change is silly. Honestly, countering Cloaked NBs is one of the most fun parts of PvPing to me, and making it so easy with the changes is just boring and sort of guts the personality of a whole class.

Sorry, NB PvPers. I thought RM and smart AE use was enough to counter you, for what it's worth.

Signed, a Templar.

elantaura · February 2016

I can't think outside the box Because I ambush striked inside the box and am now stuck!
Which is better than the time I ambush striked and got stuck under under a chair I still can't think how I did that
but nothing is worse than when any off us the DK andTemplar could not think our way out of that heavy sack mischief I got stuck in in a pledge.

Sav72 · February 2016

We did, think out of the box. We moved on.

HairyFairy · February 2016

https://youtu.be/R1BxRNHVGpk

PrinceFabious · February 2016

Honestly guys, lets just embrace the changes. Ive only played NB and even posted a video on the forums of NB gameplay.
Think about it this way..
NB is no longer an EASY mode class.
These changes will seperate the good NBs from the not so good nbs.
So now it seems that skill will be required to perform well which is awesome to me.
I dont know about you guys but I am tired of seeing tons of NBs ganking behind every rock in Cryodill.

Cherryblossom · February 2016

Eejit1331 wrote: »

Learn to adapt like all other classes, changes classes or leave. [snip]
The changes being made are solid counters but not by any means eliminating cloak. Cloak will still be OP to skilled players. With a little theory crafting Nightblades will be just fine.

[Minor edit for baiting comment]

Doesn't Mage light have a toggle now, meaning you have to cast it and it lasts 5 secs. What are the chances you are going to toggle it when Im within striking distance?

It's really an non issue for gankers. It's only an issue for retreating NB.