People be crazy.

On last eso live they mentioned bringing a cast time to wards. If they do this, it will be a major nerf to sorcs. That's the only new thing I can think of.

Every class is going through changes.

I think they should sometimes intentionally call them as Balance Patches, they tend to bring people back to the game, maybe 1 per year or something like that, just for marketting. Its odd Zen doesnt take advantage of this.

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Sorcs have been getting nerfed since launch. First Streak got nerfed, then Surge, then Streak AGAIN, then Wards got cut in half... now they're talking about giving Wards a cast time? WTF???

I know it seems like everybody talks on the forums about how Sorcs are "OP" or whatever. Well, I can tell you that's a bunch of HOGWASH. All those people you hear complaining about shield-stacking, Overload-spamming Sorcs blah blah blah are just the hordes of FOTM Nightblades who have dominated this game since Imperial City was released.

Not a FOTM and yes sorcs are OP and no they shouldn't be nerfed but the other classes need to be brought to their level

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

I didn't really feel like it was nerfing more class balance that was needed
What about the changes is nerfing them?

There are some changes that could be perceived as nerfs to sorcs(even tho they affect everyone), for example DOTs are now applicable to shields, there is a new CP star that increases damage done to shields, etc.

On the other hand, sorcs now get physical damage reduction from CP so it probably balances out.

@Emma_Eunjung

Wards got cut in half...

I really hate every single sorc that tries to use this line as an excuse. Do sorc's not realize damage and healing was also effected by the battle spirit change's. So in the end shield's were reduced but so is everything else soo nothing really has changed....

Sorc's nerfed... hardly.

-25% new physical damage reduction star
-all sorc damage pushed into one cp star
-a new DoT cp star to improve Proxi/Inevitable and curse...
-HUGE buff to Proxi and Inevitable Det in group situation's.

I don't see that many down side's for Sorc's next patch. They are in a very good spot imo.

FOTM Nightblades

In every single MMO i can remember, the rogue class has always been the most popular regardless of actual balance. People like stealth character's, it's a fact. There are ton's and ton's of really garbage squishy nightblade's on console to showcase this.

May seem like FOTM to you but to me it's just typical class choices for mmo player's.


We really have to see how hard these magicka det changes and new set's shape the game. We finally have new siege to consider as well ( deadly as hell too). Forward camp's are also interesting. I haven't even got into the new set's in action yet either. Clever Alchemist is going to be really nice.

I personally don't think anything will change meta wise. Magicka build's will run group play in cryodill and DoT build's become viable. It's going to be different but player's will adjust quickly. I'm betting one shot burst stamina classes will become a thing again.

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

AOECAPS wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Sorcs have been getting nerfed since launch. First Streak got nerfed, then Surge, then Streak AGAIN, then Wards got cut in half... now they're talking about giving Wards a cast time? WTF???

I know it seems like everybody talks on the forums about how Sorcs are "OP" or whatever. Well, I can tell you that's a bunch of HOGWASH. All those people you hear complaining about shield-stacking, Overload-spamming Sorcs blah blah blah are just the hordes of FOTM Nightblades who have dominated this game since Imperial City was released.

Not a FOTM and yes sorcs are OP and no they shouldn't be nerfed but the other classes need to be brought to their level

LOL, Sorcs are most certainly NOT OP, otherwise I would see them everywhere. You know what I do see everywhere? Nightblades. You know why? Because none of the things that supposedly make Sorcs OP do jack when you're constant CC'd by Fear and gap closer spam. Everybody and their mother knows this, which is why everybody and their mother rolled NB so they could gank the IC sewers in EZ mode.

Go stack a shield and hope it absorbs those tears. Yes they are but of course I don't know if you're trolling or the public education system really let you down as it seems that way. Sorc shields can't crit abilities will not proc hitting them can reapply quickly have great damage,ccs, and mobility NB fear is broken AF gap closer spam comes from all classes deal with it or go play little big planet. My NB very rarely sees IC instead it's my stamplar and Stam sorc running sewers and guess what NB are number 1 and mag Sorcs are number 2 in terms of ppl rolling if sewers with

For all we can tell so far from the PTS Magicka Sorcs receive a net buff in TG. Given the limited amount and scope of RvR there shifts in the meta are usually hard to predict though and there being only a non-cp campaign atm doesn't help. Not sure if this in intended outcome or just the result of global changes with no consideration given to the already whacky class balance.

As for stamina Sorcs, well, I guess Templars can make some room in their doghouse.

Buffler wrote: »

Sorcs need the shield stacking to be altered as its far too tanky. When you see a sorc taking on 20+ people wearing light armour then there's an issue. They changed it so dodge roll cost more stam if used quickly together, they should do same with shields on sorcs if they spamcast them (cost more magicka)

Im a sorc btw!

Are you telling me as a Sorc you can take on 20 that is twenty plus people. On your own...and live through the ordeal? Im just gonna say outright that either:

• you are the best sorc in game, in which case im awaiting videos oh glorious master race.
• or you are full of it.

When i play sorc it goes something like:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/248915/sorcs-need-a-shield-buff/p1

read this thread and you might understand.

But sorc tanks are on the chopping block for extinction. (like they ever got the mainstream chance to flourish ) Sorc Defenses in pvp are on the chopping block.

Sorc pets have also been Nerfed to the ground. on live u can pull 14-26k dps with a pet sorc. after patch you'll be lucky if u can achieve over 12k dps with a pet sorc build. (curious how they don't supply a new "pet set" for sorcs since vr12 yet still feel the need to repeatedly nerf pet damage and viability.)

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Emma_Eunjung

Wards got cut in half...

I really hate every single sorc that tries to use this line as an excuse. Do sorc's not realize damage and healing was also effected by the battle spirit change's. So in the end shield's were reduced but so is everything else soo nothing really has changed....

Sorc's nerfed... hardly.

-25% new physical damage reduction star
-all sorc damage pushed into one cp star
-a new DoT cp star to improve Proxi/Inevitable and curse...
-HUGE buff to Proxi and Inevitable Det in group situation's.

I don't see that many down side's for Sorc's next patch. They are in a very good spot imo.

FOTM Nightblades

In every single MMO i can remember, the rogue class has always been the most popular regardless of actual balance. People like stealth character's, it's a fact. There are ton's and ton's of really garbage squishy nightblade's on console to showcase this.

May seem like FOTM to you but to me it's just typical class choices for mmo player's.


We really have to see how hard these magicka det changes and new set's shape the game. We finally have new siege to consider as well ( deadly as hell too). Forward camp's are also interesting. I haven't even got into the new set's in action yet either. Clever Alchemist is going to be really nice.

I personally don't think anything will change meta wise. Magicka build's will run group play in cryodill and DoT build's become viable. It's going to be different but player's will adjust quickly. I'm betting one shot burst stamina classes will become a thing again.

FYI, damage and healing had reduced values in Cyro before IC. Wards got a net nerf of 30%, no one really pays attention to that for some reason.

Valrien wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Emma_Eunjung

Wards got cut in half...

I really hate every single sorc that tries to use this line as an excuse. Do sorc's not realize damage and healing was also effected by the battle spirit change's. So in the end shield's were reduced but so is everything else soo nothing really has changed....

Sorc's nerfed... hardly.

-25% new physical damage reduction star
-all sorc damage pushed into one cp star
-a new DoT cp star to improve Proxi/Inevitable and curse...
-HUGE buff to Proxi and Inevitable Det in group situation's.

I don't see that many down side's for Sorc's next patch. They are in a very good spot imo.

FOTM Nightblades

In every single MMO i can remember, the rogue class has always been the most popular regardless of actual balance. People like stealth character's, it's a fact. There are ton's and ton's of really garbage squishy nightblade's on console to showcase this.

May seem like FOTM to you but to me it's just typical class choices for mmo player's.


We really have to see how hard these magicka det changes and new set's shape the game. We finally have new siege to consider as well ( deadly as hell too). Forward camp's are also interesting. I haven't even got into the new set's in action yet either. Clever Alchemist is going to be really nice.

I personally don't think anything will change meta wise. Magicka build's will run group play in cryodill and DoT build's become viable. It's going to be different but player's will adjust quickly. I'm betting one shot burst stamina classes will become a thing again.

FYI, damage and healing had reduced values in Cyro before IC. Wards got a net nerf of 30%, no one really pays attention to that for some reason.

That's because a lot of players like myself never bothered with PvP until we were forced into the Tel Var grind. Now we're stuck in the sewers trying to get by with a half a shield.

People on this thread keep trying to act like 50% Wards is the same as 50% heals. THAT IS SO FALSE. A 50% Ward for a Sorc is like having 50% MAX HEALTH. Imagine trying to survive against a sewer full of Gankblades with only 11K Health, and then you will understand what it's like playing a Sorc.

I got a VR16 NB and a VR16 Sorc

VR16 NB PvE: squishy and dies

VR16 NB PvP: Destroys any lone guy, usually templars and a sorc

VR16 Sorc PvE: insane DPS and can take *** loads of dmg without being tank

VR16 Sorc PvP: NB fears *ded*

let's compare sorcerer to other classes shall we:
sorc to NB: same DPS but sorc have way more "health"due to shield stacking. NB makes up with this with is abilty to stealth. Yet now we get nerfed and can't use our main defense for 3 seconds. combine this with a CC immunity with 6 seconds and this hurts quite hard. mobilty is about the same.
Templars to sorc: well this is the biggest joke. templars according to our great lead combat designers should be able to stand their ground. a sorc actually does this beter . i will explain. best way for a templar to sustain fight and standing their ground is mainly by 3 abilty's: rune (templar house) BoL (which is getting nerfed as supporting use) and Jabs (also loses 5% healing with a ninja nerf but makes it up with focused healing change) but we have to heal up our health with the same amount of health a sorc has without their shields. so they can be burst down easier. sorc has his shields with no cooldown castime. this is how the combat in the game is fine. but shielding is more effective then healing due to the fact you can't crit them and a shield reaches higher number as a healing because you shield more then your health and you can't do this with healing. add mines to this and sorc can stand their ground beter (and i'm not even saying sorc has beter ranged dps then a templar has)
Sorc to DK: while DK is pretty strong to a sorc it's more because it can just reflect his spells back. in a 1 v1 a dk will probably win to a sorc because of this reflect. in a larger battle with 2-4 people sorc can switch his focus to someone else dps him down and make sure they end up with the larger number to deal with the dk. the DK is still less tanky then the sorc is in the end because his main healing is nerfed due to battle spirit aswell. ranged defense of dk is fine, melee defense it get's outclassed by sorc

The classes are not that uneven, if at all. I enjoy all except the DK class, and that is only due to personal preference. To me DKs are the toughest to kill in PvP, but that is due to my own style of burst damage. Others love fighting DKs thinking they are the easiest. My point is not about the DK class, which I do not play, but that we all have different approaches that make us feel one class is too uber over another. Style, what you bring to a group versus solo, etc...are all a part of the build you have. I build more for solo, and in many cases for PvP, so a really good PvE build is better than my PvP for PvE purposes (though once I am in high V ranks I can change up to suit either more).

Relax, play your style and your class and your way. We need to stop worrying about which is better, especially between class specific updates. I do understand when class specific updates hit, there is a trial and error period.