What should I replace Vampire's Bane with?

GreenGhostMan · February 2016

I'm still learning the intricacies of the game and learned that major prophecy does not stack, so having two abilities on the same bar that provide major prophecy seems like a waste to me.

Right now my main DW bar looks like this on my High Elf magplar. I'm a PVE guy and play little PVP.

Inner Light (major prophecy buff)
Structured Entropy
Vampires Bane (major prophecy buff)
Puncturing Sweep
Rushed Ceremony
Nova

I was thinking maybe replace vampire's bane with solar flare? Or should i just keep VB for the DoT?
And if solar flare is a good choice, which morph is better for PVE?

Thanks guys!

Acsvf · February 2016

Vampire's bane is a nice DOT, so you don't have to take it off.
That said, solar flare is pretty nice too. You don't really want solar flare unless you feel like the additional range is necessary, though, as puncturing sweeps paired with burning light deals similar single target numbers.
I didn't morph solar flare until v3 despite using it as my main ability throughout my leveling, because one morph completely changes it into an instant aoe damage ability(not really worth it imo if you are using puncturing sweeps) and the other reduces healing received by the target and nearby enemies. I'd suggest you morph it into the latter- dark flare.

Xvorg · February 2016

GreenGhostMan wrote: »

I'm still learning the intricacies of the game and learned that major prophecy does not stack, so having two abilities on the same bar that provide major prophecy seems like a waste to me.

Right now my main DW bar looks like this on my High Elf magplar. I'm a PVE guy and play little PVP.

Inner Light (major prophecy buff)
Structured Entropy
Vampires Bane (major prophecy buff)
Puncturing Sweep
Rushed Ceremony
Nova

I was thinking maybe replace vampire's bane with solar flare? Or should i just keep VB for the DoT?
And if solar flare is a good choice, which morph is better for PVE?

Thanks guys!

Question: why punct sweeep in what seems to be a ranged bar?

Inner light gives you extra magicka. Vamps bane a nice DoT. If you change it, it shoud be more in line to what you want to do... Aurora Jav? blazing spear? toppling charge (so you can connect sweep)?

PCheuk38b14_ESO · February 2016

Get the morph that hits more targets with a slow.

GreenGhostMan · February 2016

Xvorg wrote: »

Question: why punct sweeep in what seems to be a ranged bar?

Inner light gives you extra magicka. Vamps bane a nice DoT. If you change it, it shoud be more in line to what you want to do... Aurora Jav? blazing spear? toppling charge (so you can connect sweep)?

Puncturing sweeps seems to be my most powerful damage ability I have as a magicka Templar. Are you suggesting I replace it with a ranged ability? I haven't really set up my bar with ranged vs melee in mind, but rather how I play I guess. I'm no expert and a have a ton to learn still, but I pull groups with vampires bane and entropy and then light attack and puncturing sweeps as they get closer to me.

I do think toppling charge would go well with puncturing strikes, but that would leave me with no Dawn's Wrath abilities and I still haven't leveled it all the way.

PCheuk38b14_ESO wrote: »

Get the morph that hits more targets with a slow.

So I guess you're saying reflective light is better for PVE?

PCheuk38b14_ESO · February 2016

GreenGhostMan wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Question: why punct sweeep in what seems to be a ranged bar?

Inner light gives you extra magicka. Vamps bane a nice DoT. If you change it, it shoud be more in line to what you want to do... Aurora Jav? blazing spear? toppling charge (so you can connect sweep)?

Puncturing sweeps seems to be my most powerful damage ability I have as a magicka Templar. Are you suggesting I replace it with a ranged ability? I haven't really set up my bar with ranged vs melee in mind, but rather how I play I guess. I'm no expert and a have a ton to learn still, but I pull groups with vampires bane and entropy and then light attack and puncturing sweeps as they get closer to me.

I do think toppling charge would go well with puncturing strikes, but that would leave me with no Dawn's Wrath abilities and I still haven't leveled it all the way.

PCheuk38b14_ESO wrote: »

Get the morph that hits more targets with a slow.

So I guess you're saying reflective light is better for PVE?

Damn didn't realize it was for PvE =D.... At that aspect I am not sure.

GreenGhostMan · February 2016

Acsvf wrote: »

Vampire's bane is a nice DOT, so you don't have to take it off.
That said, solar flare is pretty nice too. You don't really want solar flare unless you feel like the additional range is necessary, though, as puncturing sweeps paired with burning light deals similar single target numbers.
I didn't morph solar flare until v3 despite using it as my main ability throughout my leveling, because one morph completely changes it into an instant aoe damage ability(not really worth it imo if you are using puncturing sweeps) and the other reduces healing received by the target and nearby enemies. I'd suggest you morph it into the latter- dark flare.

@Acsvf

Say I replaced vampires bane with solar flare. When solar flare is activated, my next attack would get 20% additional damage. If I followed with puncturing sweeps, would the first "hit" get the 20% buff, or the entire string of "hits"?

Dread_Guy · February 2016

if you want a DoT and a Stun, you can run Blazing Spear (Spear Shards Morph) over VB. Purifying Light (Backlash Morph)isn't a bad idea either. If you have a destro staff, Elemental Blockade (Wall of Elements Morph) is a really good DoT

I'm also assuming this is a PvE build

GreenGhostMan · February 2016

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

if you want a DoT and a Stun, you can run Blazing Spear (Spear Shards Morph) over VB. Purifying Light (Backlash Morph)isn't a bad idea either. If you have a destro staff, Elemental Blockade (Wall of Elements Morph) is a really good DoT

I'm also assuming this is a PvE build

Yes, for a PVE build. Backlash would be an ability that would keep my Dawn's Wrath progression going too. Thanks!

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · February 2016

GreenGhostMan wrote: »

Acsvf wrote: »

Vampire's bane is a nice DOT, so you don't have to take it off.
That said, solar flare is pretty nice too. You don't really want solar flare unless you feel like the additional range is necessary, though, as puncturing sweeps paired with burning light deals similar single target numbers.
I didn't morph solar flare until v3 despite using it as my main ability throughout my leveling, because one morph completely changes it into an instant aoe damage ability(not really worth it imo if you are using puncturing sweeps) and the other reduces healing received by the target and nearby enemies. I'd suggest you morph it into the latter- dark flare.

@Acsvf

Say I replaced vampires bane with solar flare. When solar flare is activated, my next attack would get 20% additional damage. If I followed with puncturing sweeps, would the first "hit" get the 20% buff, or the entire string of "hits"?

none of sweeps get the empower, as it is considered a DOT in the game, so if you are using Flare, you used a heavy staff attack or another dark flare, the best rotation that i have seen is entropy->Darkflare-> reflective light(this has up front damage, so it uses the empower and then has a DOT attached)-> dark flare till the major sorcery buff from entropy is up then start over.

ryanborror · February 2016

Use purifying light. Both purifying light or vampires bane will be better next patch. But it's important because they give minor sorcery through illuminate passive. Keep blazing spear on back bar for crit passive

Zedh · February 2016

Don't replace it at all. Run Vampires Bane, Purifying Light, Blazing Spear, Elemental Wall and Proxi Detonation, after all that you'll have time for one and a half sweep channels, then it's time to refresh Dots again.

Regarding Solar Flare, Solar Barrage is the obvious choice for PvE. Alternating between Barrage and Blazing Spear in AoE situations while keeping Detonation up gives you the highest possible AoE DPS. As opposed to only spamming Spear, you buff minor prophecy, gain 3 ult every 6 seconds, empower every Blazing Spear initial hit, while the skill itself does even more damage than Spears first hit.

Edit: Elemental Wall is only with Maelstrom Staff of course at the moment... But after TG patch every Magicka Templar has to run it anyways.

RinaldoGandolphi · February 2016

Keep Vampire's Bane on your bar.

Everytime you Activate Vampires Bane you get:

Minor Sorcery - You and nearby allies get a 5% increase in Spell Damage for 20 seconds with the Illuminate passive.
Ultimate- Every 6 seconds you get 3 Ultimate which will be pretty muhc everytime you cast it.

I'd say keep Vampire's Bane as a single target DOT, as it has passive benefits that increase your DPS in different ways then Magelight.

Holy-Dope · February 2016

Hi thr,

If you want to optimize your dps, let Entropy go and start using spell damge pots. Casting entropy every 12 sec is a pain and a DPS loss. Now on your bar (innerlight is a must) you have 4 slots left, so u might want and atleast 2 dots/ a spam and an execute-

Main Bar-
1. Inner Light 2. Purifying light 3. Blazing Spear 4. Puncturing Sweeps 5. Radiant Oppression. Ulti- Meteor (any morph)
Off Bar-
1. Inner light 2. Channeled Focus 3. Harness Magica 4. P.Sweeps or spear 5. BOL/ Extended ritual. Ulti- Meteor (any morph)

Your off bar can be customize as you wish and based on the situation. The one i posted, i typically find it working in almost all oh crap situation.

What you need to understand is that in next patch Purifying light and radiant oppression are getting boosted, while Vampire bane will do almost same damage but will require more time to do that. Unless you have proxy det, your rotation should be

Spell Dmg Pot--->Spear--->Purifying Light---->Ulti---->Sweeps x 4 weave with light attacks---> Repeat

refresh pots whenever timer runs out (usually 45 sec). Start executing at appx 35%...

In the next patch too you can continue with this rotation and should get very descent nos. However since proxy comes fast now, so i'd recommend do a bit of pvp and you shall get it in no time and once you have it replace either Pl or spear with proxy....can't tell ATM as i've to test myself...

Hope it helped...

GreenGhostMan · February 2016

@ryanborror @Zedh @RinaldoGandolphi @Holy-Dope

Wow guys... Awesome feedback. Thanks!

I love trying out new rotations. Gonna do some testing tonight.