Free champion point refund with new DLC?

bigted209 · February 2016

Been keeping tabs on patch notes, and saw they are reshuffling the wording/placement of certain portions of the champion points mechanics. Notably, moving "magic damage" from Thurmatage to Elemental Expert. I currently run 4 characters, 3 of which being magic based. That being said, I'll have to pull champion points from what was, to what will be. Any word on a free CP reshuffle, or are people like me simply going to be out 12k overnight when this drops?

Unsent.Soul · February 2016

They've already stated no free respec for skill points, 1 could only assume it's the same way for CP. Too many people complained about free respecs...

Junipus · February 2016

If you have enough CP to see a notable change from moving them around then you should have the 12k available, or be able to farm it over a few hours to pay for such a change.

Alternatively keep placing new CP into the new passives until you have the 12k you need.

ZOS aren't going to refund CP allocation given how inexpensive it is comparatively.

leepalmer95 · February 2016

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

If you have enough CP to see a notable change from moving them around then you should have the 12k available, or be able to farm it over a few hours to pay for such a change.

Alternatively keep placing new CP into the new passives until you have the 12k you need.

ZOS aren't going to refund CP allocation given how inexpensive it is comparatively.

You mean like moving the magic dmg to elemental cp?

Yeah losing my 25% magic dmg is a noticable difference.

bigted209 · February 2016

Exactly what leepalmer said... Yeah, I have 12k to spend, but should we really have to because someone had a good idea? Looking at what they are moving, I whole heartedly agree with the why.... What good does weapon crit do for a sorc looking for more spell damage? As mentioned previously, I have 4 main characters, plus 2 others I may very well bring up too some day. As soon as this change hits, at minimum I'm out 12k, if I want to tweak them all, I'm out damn near 20k gold. Just seems like a freebie should be tossed under the circumstances.

reften · February 2016

I'm about 99% sure there will be a free respect. They're revamping the entire CP trees, and their precedence with stuff like this is to do a forced respect.

NovaMarx · February 2016

I would love to get a free respec (for everything!), especially with all the new skill stuff coming - but too many people have complained in the past for ZOS to want to do it now.

We'll just have to use our hard-earned gold (or Crowns)

Septimus_Magna · February 2016

You know why we dont have free respecs anymore?

People cried because they had to choose their skills again.

Now it will cost me at least 50k gold to respec my 3 chars when TG goes live, such a waste of gold..

ListerJMC · February 2016

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

They've already stated no free respec for skill points, 1 could only assume it's the same way for CP. Too many people complained about free respecs...

Seriously? I'm broke enough as it is without having to spend money on respeccing three characters! :'(

ChuckyPayne · February 2016

We talk about 3k, ~4-5 VR16 daily quest.

leepalmer95 · February 2016

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

We talk about 3k, ~4-5 VR16 daily quest.

On 8 characters.

You think i can be bothered with pve?

Junipus · February 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

If you have enough CP to see a notable change from moving them around then you should have the 12k available, or be able to farm it over a few hours to pay for such a change.

Alternatively keep placing new CP into the new passives until you have the 12k you need.

ZOS aren't going to refund CP allocation given how inexpensive it is comparatively.

You mean like moving the magic dmg to elemental cp?

Yeah losing my 25% magic dmg is a noticable difference.

If you have at least 300 CP then 12k gold shouldn't be much of a problem to spend or obtain is what I'm saying.

I have no idea what prices are on Xbox or PS but an hour or two of farming in IC should net enough planar scraps etc to sell them all and raise close to 12k. Alternatively an hour or two farming nodes in Craglorn can give enough raw materials to sell (plus nirn chance) for 12k, or refine then with passives and hope to get lucky with some tempering alloys, rosin or dreugh wax which go for between 3k and 9k on PC EU.

If ZOS decide on a skill point reset then they'll either reset everyone's for free as they've done before or drop it to 1 gold per SP. If you're going to respect anything more than morphs then it sounds like a change from magicka to stamina or vice versa and skill points are the least expensive thing to spend money on.

myrrrorb14_ESO · February 2016

They are significantly "rebalancing" everything with this update. Champion points as well as class abilities. It would be reasonable to expect most people would want to change a few things given the nature of the changes.

That being said, they have no plan to offer free respec and have stated they currently have no way to make them optional. It's not like they have some magical scroll just laying around that they could mail everyone. Nor could they just mail everyone 3k gold to redo their champion points...

bigted209 · February 2016

They mark things on sale in the crown store all the time... Wouldn't be that much different. From date X to date Y all character/champion point respecs are free. Truth be told, I dont know many people at all that this is a simple 3k drop and done. Most everyone I engage with has numerous characters that this will effect. Sure, we have the gold on hand/have the ability to get it easily... Point is, if I were doing this for preference that 3k is gone gladly. This is a forced respec, we shouldn't have to pay because someone else had an idea(which I do think was a good idea mind you). In the grand scheme of life, this is a very minor ordeal, but I can't be the only one that feels this is the right way to go about it.

leepalmer95 · February 2016

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

They are significantly "rebalancing" everything with this update. Champion points as well as class abilities. It would be reasonable to expect most people would want to change a few things given the nature of the changes.

That being said, they have no plan to offer free respec and have stated they currently have no way to make them optional. It's not like they have some magical scroll just laying around that they could mail everyone. Nor could they just mail everyone 3k gold to redo their champion points...

Just send a respect scroll through the mail for every character you have or something.

It's not rocket science.

Ourorboros · February 2016

bigted209 wrote: »

They mark things on sale in the crown store all the time... Wouldn't be that much different. From date X to date Y all character/champion point respecs are free. Truth be told, I dont know many people at all that this is a simple 3k drop and done. Most everyone I engage with has numerous characters that this will effect. Sure, we have the gold on hand/have the ability to get it easily... Point is, if I were doing this for preference that 3k is gone gladly. This is a forced respec, we shouldn't have to pay because someone else had an idea(which I do think was a good idea mind you). In the grand scheme of life, this is a very minor ordeal, but I can't be the only one that feels this is the right way to go about it.

Nope, you are not the only one who feels this way. I have the gold, don't mind spending it on CP when it's my choice. However, the coming changes are so significant, everyone will likely want to redistribute CP. I get that zos took a lot of heat over forced respecs in the past. But their response of forcing everyone to pay for respec/redistribute when they make significant game changes because they don't want to deal with the complainers seems petulant. If they are the creative team they like to crow about, surely they can find a creative way to make a one-time optional respec/redistribute. There are several good ideas above in this thread, if they need a starting point.

Xendyn · February 2016

Easy thing for them to do is just make respecs free for a week or so after the update. Give everyone a chance to try the new things out and get them arranged to their liking.

Reverb · February 2016

I'm not concerned about the 3k each toon for CP respec, it's not getting a skill point reset that irks me. The changes are significant enough to warrant it. I do remember how many people complained about having to reallocate their points last time. But I imagine there will be far more complaints this time from people who wanted the reset.

Ashtaris · February 2016

One of the major pains for skill point resets is the need to go in and reallocate every freaking skill point again, choose the morphs, etc. If you have a VR16 character, that can be a LOT of skill points to reset. What I would like to see is that when ZOS gives us a free respec that we can just go in and click a particular skill in the tree, say "Whirlwind" or whatever it may have been morphed to. Then it brings up a popup window with the choice "Reset points and Exit". If you choose "Reset points" then only that skill is reset and you choose the other morph, or just keep the points. After you have done this for all the skills you need to change, then there is a "F To Commit Points" choice at the bottom of the screen. They can charge gold for it if they want, or perhaps even sell a heck of a lot more respec scrolls since it wouldn't be such a pain

I also feel they should give a free CP reset this time around. Doing a CP reset of your points is relatively painless and with all the changes that are coming with the Thieves Guild DLC, I think most users are going to be doing one.

mistermutiny89 · February 2016

Ahhahahaha...! Ahhahhaha. Hahaha... Errrr....

No. Because logic is cray.

Looking forward to the 24,000 charge for reallocation between my eight characters.

We have fun. Kill me with fire if I got 3 8s wrong. She's getting old and senile.

Lenikus · February 2016

They are probably changing the cost of the respecs for like 1g per skill point, from 50g, for like, a week.
they done this before.

leepalmer95 · February 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

They are probably changing the cost of the respecs for like 1g per skill point, from 50g, for like, a week.
they done this before.

I'd be happy if they did, would love to test things out, without paying 100k's gold.

Acrolas · February 2016

"... With every time a major update, I have to reset skills on 8 characters and I hate it when ALL of the skills are removed and then I have to go into each character one by one and reset the skills with NO OPTION to un-select a skill point. If I make a mistake and then have to find a shrine and pay to undo that mistake!"

Hypothetical mistakes. That's the kind of logic you're fighting against. And there's no option to un-select a skill point. So if a skill has changed, you still have to find a shrine and pay to undo that mistake and plug all your skill points in again. Unless it's a morph, which the argument never clarifies.

So it's pretty much the same argument on either side. That people don't want to pay.
Which is apparently going to happen either way.

I just can't wait to hear the crowd who reset their points, made a mistake, and then had to reset again. Thus paying twice as much as they normally would. People are silly...

ThatGuyCameron · February 2016

They could, but they won't. And there's a simple reason that everything in this game that is necessary/useful/rare either takes a long time to farm with no guarantee of success, is an extremely tedious practice or is extremely, extremely expensive regardless of which of the three in-game currencies you're using.

Crown store. It has a shortcut for everything from alchemy potions to experience scrolls to motifs, riding lessons, skill point refunds. Pretty much everything. The long, tedious nature of virtually every aspect of this game aside from the combat itself is deliberate; it makes the Crown store seem like a great idea beyond all logical thought.

Of course everyone knows this, but that's more or less it. They could, but then you wouldn't be shovelling money into their caring, productive hands.

bigted209 · February 2016

I say we all mutiny. Strip naked and cast as many lag producing spells all at the same time, with pets enabled of course. That will certainly show them we mean business

SinKissed · February 2016

If people are complaining about it they should just have a pop up when you first log into the game post patch asking "Do you want to reset your skill points/CP" and there will be no problem.

PhatGrimReaper · February 2016

ZOS has already set a precedent with the 1.6 patch where skills were altered in such a way that builds completely changed. I no difference between then and now. Fair is fair, when changes of this magnitude take place, it is only fair to allow for a full re-spec of champion, skill & attribute points. That was the case at the 1.6 patch and I would expect it to be the case again.

Should they decide, in their infinite wisdom to not have this free respec, it will further solidify the opinion of many that ZOS no longer cares about the quality of gameplay or well being of their customer base. Timing an overt strike against the player base with the official release of a competing product is commercial suicide

NewBlacksmurf · February 2016

I don't think there should ever be an automatic reset unless there are substantial changes within CP's
Same goes for class skills.

Specific to the next DLC, I do believe all Templar should be given a 1g option to reset all skills and a 1g reset of all morphs

This way it's optional and does not expire but should not stack with any future reset opportunities.

DaveMoeDee · February 2016

If they don't want to give free respec, stop rebalancing.

PhatGrimReaper · February 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I don't think there should ever be an automatic reset unless there are substantial changes within CP's
Same goes for class skills.

Specific to the next DLC, I do believe all Templar should be given a 1g option to reset all skills and a 1g reset of all morphs

This way it's optional and does not expire but should not stack with any future reset opportunities.

Templars should get a respec............ you realise that there are changes to all classes right? In fact, DKs have been changes more than templars have.

This is an All-or-Nothing thing imo. They just can't offer a respec to one segment of the community and ignore the others.

D0ntevenL1ft · February 2016

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

We talk about 3k, ~4-5 VR16 daily quest.

Free respecs on this guy! Thanks man