Bloodgharm wrote: »

I am running a dunmer magicka nb atm and I love it. With the dark elf passives, you get a boost to stamina and magicka as well as fire damage and resistance. So if you ran a (fire) destro/resto combo, you'd get added damage from your attacks. In addition, with added stamina and magicka you get a large magicka pool for dealing damage and a decent sized stamina pool for blocking/roll dodging etc. To me it's a win/win.

ArknINFIRIS wrote: »

Okay. Thanks all for the information. I think I will stick with Dunmer since the vampire option will be doable. I hope one day they fix the Argonian so they will be more effective or maybe they will do away with racial traits and make them something you can choose as part of character creation.

With that option will the Dunmer still make a good healer if I choose to try the NB healer route? I know Breton is the best choice for healers but I am not a big fan of the human races in this game. I know I can use the Resto staff and a lot of the siphoning skills have heal options as well.

ArknINFIRIS wrote: »

Thanks Bloodgharm. I appreciate the tough love response

Just so I understand, if I pool most of my stats into Magicka and try to gear with Magicka enchants and whatnot, would that help in any way? I know it will never be as good as an Altmer/Breton but would it be good at all.

Also, I know Templar Healer (Altmer/Breton and maybe Dunmer) is better for heals, but can an Altmer Nightblade spec'd as healer work? I'm not worried about be the best at it per se...I just want it to be fun and viable.

Bloodgharm wrote: »

ArknINFIRIS wrote: »

Okay. Thanks all for the information. I think I will stick with Dunmer since the vampire option will be doable. I hope one day they fix the Argonian so they will be more effective or maybe they will do away with racial traits and make them something you can choose as part of character creation.

With that option will the Dunmer still make a good healer if I choose to try the NB healer route? I know Breton is the best choice for healers but I am not a big fan of the human races in this game. I know I can use the Resto staff and a lot of the siphoning skills have heal options as well.

As far as healing goes it will be the same situation, where more max magicka pool = better heals. With an argonian you'll level the resto staff skill line faster, but that's not really much of an advantage.

Night_Child wrote: »

Let's start with Dunmer vs Argonian.

Dunmer having reduced damage to fire while also executing extra additional fire damage. That might be okay if one wanted to go Vampire...or will it? Prismatic/Fighter's Guild offense is all one needs to take care of Vampires and that has nothing to do with Fire at all. See where I am going with this? I just exposed a Dunmer's racial 100% useless against other PvP players assuming s/he went Vampire. Increase magika/stamina is great, but by 9%/6%? Eh, nothing champion points (CP) can't handle or take care of as with most, if not all classes and races. I do however, see how that can matter in the early stages with a character that has little to no CP. We'll give that a +. After all, for a magika NB, the more magika, the more damage. I think that's about it if we are looking at the big picture.

Now...

Argonians have a skill line that increase swim speed. Some find that useless while others like myself find it useful especially in the early levels before CP and/or you get your mount over 50% speed. Stick to the water ways and you will get around A LOT faster. I made it work. While that has no effect on a magika NB whatsoever, in the same racial passive, if an argonian is to utilize Alchemy and apply the potions to their hot key as just another move on their bar, they have the ability to regain 8% of their max magika, stamina, & health with every pop. Any Botanist can tell you how long those effects last on a spell power potion at level Vet 16. Combine that with CP and good timing and you may have yourself a ultimate magika pool...if not unlimited. Think about it, then do the math. Trust me, my healer doesn't run out of magika. Why woud my NB? I pop the potions for even more powerful effects, never because I'm out of magika, it's crazy. Overall that racial is a + for your magika pool. Let's move down to additional health and poison/disease resistance. Poison and disease resistance is good if one wanted to go werewolf, but not with a magika build any class, and personally, I'm opposed to turning one "beast" into another, savvy? Now EVERYONE can use additional health and those who tell you they can't are fos and you should probably disregard their post entirely. Additional health is a + racial passive in any build. For a magika based NB, an Argonian doesn't seem so farfetched, now does it? Here's where things get interesting...Argonians have increased healing recieved as a racial passive. Let's stack that with the Siphoning skill line that NBs get and I think we are on to something. Even mix and matching will allow your Argonian to heal him/herself with EVERY hit- AND FOR MORE - because of the racial passive AND do A LOT of damage with added effects because of another racial passive. Let's not forget your extra health because of your third racial passive. It's not much, but it's doable. So you have scales, swim fast, and have one of the deadliest, if not THE deadliest assassins within in your fellow argonians. Your race also created a flu that wiped out nearly anyone in it's path aside from Argonians, and the way the lore reads, slavery didn't hold them back and it was because of THEIR fight that saved the Nords and Dark Elves and prevented them from falling thus creating the Ebonheart pact. Nothing from a magika NB or their lore is silly, but it's all overlooked.

In closing, Argonians make a mean magika NB. Also, I meant no offense to anyone and I apologize if they feel that I have offended them. I hope my explanation on Argonians as a hole will get them more love and respect than they have been getting thanks to the creators not doing a great job with passives as is. I really appreciate the swim speed, though I wish it was increased by 70%.

PCheuk38b14_ESO wrote: »

Argonians mainly because you can swim faster and get out of the slaughter fish infested waters

Night_Child wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Night_Child wrote: »

Let's start with Dunmer vs Argonian.

Dunmer having reduced damage to fire while also executing extra additional fire damage. That might be okay if one wanted to go Vampire...or will it? Prismatic/Fighter's Guild offense is all one needs to take care of Vampires and that has nothing to do with Fire at all. See where I am going with this? I just exposed a Dunmer's racial 100% useless against other PvP players assuming s/he went Vampire. Increase magika/stamina is great, but by 9%/6%? Eh, nothing champion points (CP) can't handle or take care of as with most, if not all classes and races. I do however, see how that can matter in the early stages with a character that has little to no CP. We'll give that a +. After all, for a magika NB, the more magika, the more damage. I think that's about it if we are looking at the big picture.

Now...

Argonians have a skill line that increase swim speed. Some find that useless while others like myself find it useful especially in the early levels before CP and/or you get your mount over 50% speed. Stick to the water ways and you will get around A LOT faster. I made it work. While that has no effect on a magika NB whatsoever, in the same racial passive, if an argonian is to utilize Alchemy and apply the potions to their hot key as just another move on their bar, they have the ability to regain 8% of their max magika, stamina, & health with every pop. Any Botanist can tell you how long those effects last on a spell power potion at level Vet 16. Combine that with CP and good timing and you may have yourself a ultimate magika pool...if not unlimited. Think about it, then do the math. Trust me, my healer doesn't run out of magika. Why woud my NB? I pop the potions for even more powerful effects, never because I'm out of magika, it's crazy. Overall that racial is a + for your magika pool. Let's move down to additional health and poison/disease resistance. Poison and disease resistance is good if one wanted to go werewolf, but not with a magika build any class, and personally, I'm opposed to turning one "beast" into another, savvy? Now EVERYONE can use additional health and those who tell you they can't are fos and you should probably disregard their post entirely. Additional health is a + racial passive in any build. For a magika based NB, an Argonian doesn't seem so farfetched, now does it? Here's where things get interesting...Argonians have increased healing recieved as a racial passive. Let's stack that with the Siphoning skill line that NBs get and I think we are on to something. Even mix and matching will allow your Argonian to heal him/herself with EVERY hit- AND FOR MORE - because of the racial passive AND do A LOT of damage with added effects because of another racial passive. Let's not forget your extra health because of your third racial passive. It's not much, but it's doable. So you have scales, swim fast, and have one of the deadliest, if not THE deadliest assassins within in your fellow argonians. Your race also created a flu that wiped out nearly anyone in it's path aside from Argonians, and the way the lore reads, slavery didn't hold them back and it was because of THEIR fight that saved the Nords and Dark Elves and prevented them from falling thus creating the Ebonheart pact. Nothing from a magika NB or their lore is silly, but it's all overlooked.

In closing, Argonians make a mean magika NB. Also, I meant no offense to anyone and I apologize if they feel that I have offended them. I hope my explanation on Argonians as a hole will get them more love and respect than they have been getting thanks to the creators not doing a great job with passives as is. I really appreciate the swim speed, though I wish it was increased by 70%.

whaaaaaaaaat?????????

I have 2 magicka NBs, one Argonian VR16 and one Dunmer VR9. My dunmer kick my lizard's ass any day. An even more in the coming patch with magic dmg paired to elemental expert star in the apprentice constelation... just a Flame staff, grim focus and cloack do do insane Dmg... not to mention how useful is going to be the silks of the sun set.

Clearly, you are either biased toward Dunmer OR you are NOT playing your Argonian the right way. I have killed SOOO many Dark Elves while they are blasting me with fire and my health never drops below 60%...NEVER. Silk of the Sun has not been overlooked as it seems the set has been made clearly for Dunmer and used by most Dunmer to stack on their racials. So, no, your Argonian is NOT spec'd the way he should be. Tell me, what set is your Argonian even wearing? My Argonians biggest weakness is being jumped by 10+ people in PvP if one could even call that a weakness. Wait, it's not. His only REAL challenge is anything challenging high up in PvE (6/12-man Trials). Again, that is because with EVERY hit against his opponent, he is healed. Btw, you mentioned Grim Focus which obviously EVERY NB should have and that doesn't mean spit. All that means is that you are getting hit with that move as well and the only difference is that my argonian absorbs those hits. It is literally healed with every move that it dishes out aside from Merciless Resolve which does insane damage thanks to Thaumaturge. No, Dunmer are NOT resistant to it, but Argonians (especially spec'd right) get an almost 10% increased additional healing not including even more additional healing due to other passives in game (including CP), bringing their additional healing on them to about 70% (maybe more depending on the way you spec him/her), thus damage healing right through it. Certain gear sets actually increases this up to over 30% (without CP) when everything is all said and done. Like I said, Dunmer are overrated. I just basically told you how I run through, not only Dark Elves, but EVERY race in PvP and I've been called "cheap" for it. Sapping your health and using it to fill mine isn't cheap, it's genious...and an Argonian is the best race to do it.

Xvorg wrote: »

Night_Child wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Night_Child wrote: »

Let's start with Dunmer vs Argonian.

Dunmer having reduced damage to fire while also executing extra additional fire damage. That might be okay if one wanted to go Vampire...or will it? Prismatic/Fighter's Guild offense is all one needs to take care of Vampires and that has nothing to do with Fire at all. See where I am going with this? I just exposed a Dunmer's racial 100% useless against other PvP players assuming s/he went Vampire. Increase magika/stamina is great, but by 9%/6%? Eh, nothing champion points (CP) can't handle or take care of as with most, if not all classes and races. I do however, see how that can matter in the early stages with a character that has little to no CP. We'll give that a +. After all, for a magika NB, the more magika, the more damage. I think that's about it if we are looking at the big picture.

Now...

Argonians have a skill line that increase swim speed. Some find that useless while others like myself find it useful especially in the early levels before CP and/or you get your mount over 50% speed. Stick to the water ways and you will get around A LOT faster. I made it work. While that has no effect on a magika NB whatsoever, in the same racial passive, if an argonian is to utilize Alchemy and apply the potions to their hot key as just another move on their bar, they have the ability to regain 8% of their max magika, stamina, & health with every pop. Any Botanist can tell you how long those effects last on a spell power potion at level Vet 16. Combine that with CP and good timing and you may have yourself a ultimate magika pool...if not unlimited. Think about it, then do the math. Trust me, my healer doesn't run out of magika. Why woud my NB? I pop the potions for even more powerful effects, never because I'm out of magika, it's crazy. Overall that racial is a + for your magika pool. Let's move down to additional health and poison/disease resistance. Poison and disease resistance is good if one wanted to go werewolf, but not with a magika build any class, and personally, I'm opposed to turning one "beast" into another, savvy? Now EVERYONE can use additional health and those who tell you they can't are fos and you should probably disregard their post entirely. Additional health is a + racial passive in any build. For a magika based NB, an Argonian doesn't seem so farfetched, now does it? Here's where things get interesting...Argonians have increased healing recieved as a racial passive. Let's stack that with the Siphoning skill line that NBs get and I think we are on to something. Even mix and matching will allow your Argonian to heal him/herself with EVERY hit- AND FOR MORE - because of the racial passive AND do A LOT of damage with added effects because of another racial passive. Let's not forget your extra health because of your third racial passive. It's not much, but it's doable. So you have scales, swim fast, and have one of the deadliest, if not THE deadliest assassins within in your fellow argonians. Your race also created a flu that wiped out nearly anyone in it's path aside from Argonians, and the way the lore reads, slavery didn't hold them back and it was because of THEIR fight that saved the Nords and Dark Elves and prevented them from falling thus creating the Ebonheart pact. Nothing from a magika NB or their lore is silly, but it's all overlooked.

In closing, Argonians make a mean magika NB. Also, I meant no offense to anyone and I apologize if they feel that I have offended them. I hope my explanation on Argonians as a hole will get them more love and respect than they have been getting thanks to the creators not doing a great job with passives as is. I really appreciate the swim speed, though I wish it was increased by 70%.

whaaaaaaaaat?????????

I have 2 magicka NBs, one Argonian VR16 and one Dunmer VR9. My dunmer kick my lizard's ass any day. An even more in the coming patch with magic dmg paired to elemental expert star in the apprentice constelation... just a Flame staff, grim focus and cloack do do insane Dmg... not to mention how useful is going to be the silks of the sun set.

Clearly, you are either biased toward Dunmer OR you are NOT playing your Argonian the right way. I have killed SOOO many Dark Elves while they are blasting me with fire and my health never drops below 60%...NEVER. Silk of the Sun has not been overlooked as it seems the set has been made clearly for Dunmer and used by most Dunmer to stack on their racials. So, no, your Argonian is NOT spec'd the way he should be. Tell me, what set is your Argonian even wearing? My Argonians biggest weakness is being jumped by 10+ people in PvP if one could even call that a weakness. Wait, it's not. His only REAL challenge is anything challenging high up in PvE (6/12-man Trials). Again, that is because with EVERY hit against his opponent, he is healed. Btw, you mentioned Grim Focus which obviously EVERY NB should have and that doesn't mean spit. All that means is that you are getting hit with that move as well and the only difference is that my argonian absorbs those hits. It is literally healed with every move that it dishes out aside from Merciless Resolve which does insane damage thanks to Thaumaturge. No, Dunmer are NOT resistant to it, but Argonians (especially spec'd right) get an almost 10% increased additional healing not including even more additional healing due to other passives in game (including CP), bringing their additional healing on them to about 70% (maybe more depending on the way you spec him/her), thus damage healing right through it. Certain gear sets actually increases this up to over 30% (without CP) when everything is all said and done. Like I said, Dunmer are overrated. I just basically told you how I run through, not only Dark Elves, but EVERY race in PvP and I've been called "cheap" for it. Sapping your health and using it to fill mine isn't cheap, it's genious...and an Argonian is the best race to do it.

So, do you really want to teach me how to play an argonian after 2 years?

I've killed tons of enemies in PvP. I've 1vX a lot of times, I can take resourses on my own without any help (do you know how to do it?). Nevertheless, there's no way my lizard could any day be better than my dunmer in PvP

Some maths: Dunmer have 9% more magicka, which means that at 30 K based magicka; dunmers get 2700 more magicka in that case (against 0 for lizards). 1k is more or less 100 Spell Power, so, the dunmer, just for being dunmer gets around the equivalent to 270 SP with the same set on PvP.

On the contrary, as much as you can sap with your lizard, you MUST know that healing in PvP is capped a 50% due to battle spirit. So, the 9% extra healing you get in PvP is just a 4.5%. Same happens with the dmg. You have a 50% less dmg, so any dmg mitigation (10% less dmg from fire, frost, poison or disease) is quite useless. And to mention the potion passive, it receives the same treatment in case of healing (since it is a healing). While yourecover an 8% of your max stam and magicka, only a 4% is granted in terms of health. (20k health = 800 extra healing receive from pots... that's like the dmg you get from entropy)

Now explain me, how can Argonians, with their 3 passives capped by battle spirit, be any competitive in PvP?

I don't doubt your argonian has killed a lot of enemies in PvP, but one thing is to kill within the group, and another is to play solo. Since I always play solo, I can tell you that my dunmer is more efficient when it comes to kill enemies.

As many argonians around, I've been claiming for some decent treatment in PvP for over a year now, and posts like yours, which tell a totally different (and invented) story about how argonians are faring at PvP do not help us at all. It is unfair to have a race that is capped in its 3 passives in PvP.

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

Night_Child wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

Sadly, Argonian is not a great choice for any build. For a magicka NB, dark elf is the clear choice. Really, dark elf is the best choice for anything in the Ebonheart Pact. ZOS hasn't done a good job of balancing the racial passives.

Sadly, you are VERY INCORRECT.

You're very incorrect @Night_Child why do you protect argonians so much i don't understand, you clearly don't know how the game mechanics work.
Or are you trying to make everybody roll argonians so you can kill them in PvP?
Don't you see nobody agrees with you?

And I agree with @Xvorg we're argonians for over 2 years now, both of us, and we know how the game works and we've been asking for Argonians to be fixed all the time, posts like yours are feeding @Zenimax and won't help you.
This game is skill based, means it's not all on your gear or race, you need to know how to play, you've killed many dunmers? Great, me too, but it's just because you were smarter than them or your team had more numbers, etc.

Stop this spamming for the argonians you're doing it is the 3rd time I see you doing that.

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Night_Child wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Night_Child wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Night_Child wrote: »

Let's start with Dunmer vs Argonian.

Dunmer having reduced damage to fire while also executing extra additional fire damage. That might be okay if one wanted to go Vampire...or will it? Prismatic/Fighter's Guild offense is all one needs to take care of Vampires and that has nothing to do with Fire at all. See where I am going with this? I just exposed a Dunmer's racial 100% useless against other PvP players assuming s/he went Vampire. Increase magika/stamina is great, but by 9%/6%? Eh, nothing champion points (CP) can't handle or take care of as with most, if not all classes and races. I do however, see how that can matter in the early stages with a character that has little to no CP. We'll give that a +. After all, for a magika NB, the more magika, the more damage. I think that's about it if we are looking at the big picture.

Now...

Argonians have a skill line that increase swim speed. Some find that useless while others like myself find it useful especially in the early levels before CP and/or you get your mount over 50% speed. Stick to the water ways and you will get around A LOT faster. I made it work. While that has no effect on a magika NB whatsoever, in the same racial passive, if an argonian is to utilize Alchemy and apply the potions to their hot key as just another move on their bar, they have the ability to regain 8% of their max magika, stamina, & health with every pop. Any Botanist can tell you how long those effects last on a spell power potion at level Vet 16. Combine that with CP and good timing and you may have yourself a ultimate magika pool...if not unlimited. Think about it, then do the math. Trust me, my healer doesn't run out of magika. Why woud my NB? I pop the potions for even more powerful effects, never because I'm out of magika, it's crazy. Overall that racial is a + for your magika pool. Let's move down to additional health and poison/disease resistance. Poison and disease resistance is good if one wanted to go werewolf, but not with a magika build any class, and personally, I'm opposed to turning one "beast" into another, savvy? Now EVERYONE can use additional health and those who tell you they can't are fos and you should probably disregard their post entirely. Additional health is a + racial passive in any build. For a magika based NB, an Argonian doesn't seem so farfetched, now does it? Here's where things get interesting...Argonians have increased healing recieved as a racial passive. Let's stack that with the Siphoning skill line that NBs get and I think we are on to something. Even mix and matching will allow your Argonian to heal him/herself with EVERY hit- AND FOR MORE - because of the racial passive AND do A LOT of damage with added effects because of another racial passive. Let's not forget your extra health because of your third racial passive. It's not much, but it's doable. So you have scales, swim fast, and have one of the deadliest, if not THE deadliest assassins within in your fellow argonians. Your race also created a flu that wiped out nearly anyone in it's path aside from Argonians, and the way the lore reads, slavery didn't hold them back and it was because of THEIR fight that saved the Nords and Dark Elves and prevented them from falling thus creating the Ebonheart pact. Nothing from a magika NB or their lore is silly, but it's all overlooked.

In closing, Argonians make a mean magika NB. Also, I meant no offense to anyone and I apologize if they feel that I have offended them. I hope my explanation on Argonians as a hole will get them more love and respect than they have been getting thanks to the creators not doing a great job with passives as is. I really appreciate the swim speed, though I wish it was increased by 70%.

whaaaaaaaaat?????????

I have 2 magicka NBs, one Argonian VR16 and one Dunmer VR9. My dunmer kick my lizard's ass any day. An even more in the coming patch with magic dmg paired to elemental expert star in the apprentice constelation... just a Flame staff, grim focus and cloack do do insane Dmg... not to mention how useful is going to be the silks of the sun set.

Clearly, you are either biased toward Dunmer OR you are NOT playing your Argonian the right way. I have killed SOOO many Dark Elves while they are blasting me with fire and my health never drops below 60%...NEVER. Silk of the Sun has not been overlooked as it seems the set has been made clearly for Dunmer and used by most Dunmer to stack on their racials. So, no, your Argonian is NOT spec'd the way he should be. Tell me, what set is your Argonian even wearing? My Argonians biggest weakness is being jumped by 10+ people in PvP if one could even call that a weakness. Wait, it's not. His only REAL challenge is anything challenging high up in PvE (6/12-man Trials). Again, that is because with EVERY hit against his opponent, he is healed. Btw, you mentioned Grim Focus which obviously EVERY NB should have and that doesn't mean spit. All that means is that you are getting hit with that move as well and the only difference is that my argonian absorbs those hits. It is literally healed with every move that it dishes out aside from Merciless Resolve which does insane damage thanks to Thaumaturge. No, Dunmer are NOT resistant to it, but Argonians (especially spec'd right) get an almost 10% increased additional healing not including even more additional healing due to other passives in game (including CP), bringing their additional healing on them to about 70% (maybe more depending on the way you spec him/her), thus damage healing right through it. Certain gear sets actually increases this up to over 30% (without CP) when everything is all said and done. Like I said, Dunmer are overrated. I just basically told you how I run through, not only Dark Elves, but EVERY race in PvP and I've been called "cheap" for it. Sapping your health and using it to fill mine isn't cheap, it's genious...and an Argonian is the best race to do it.

So, do you really want to teach me how to play an argonian after 2 years?

I've killed tons of enemies in PvP. I've 1vX a lot of times, I can take resourses on my own without any help (do you know how to do it?). Nevertheless, there's no way my lizard could any day be better than my dunmer in PvP

Some maths: Dunmer have 9% more magicka, which means that at 30 K based magicka; dunmers get 2700 more magicka in that case (against 0 for lizards). 1k is more or less 100 Spell Power, so, the dunmer, just for being dunmer gets around the equivalent to 270 SP with the same set on PvP.

On the contrary, as much as you can sap with your lizard, you MUST know that healing in PvP is capped a 50% due to battle spirit. So, the 9% extra healing you get in PvP is just a 4.5%. Same happens with the dmg. You have a 50% less dmg, so any dmg mitigation (10% less dmg from fire, frost, poison or disease) is quite useless. And to mention the potion passive, it receives the same treatment in case of healing (since it is a healing). While yourecover an 8% of your max stam and magicka, only a 4% is granted in terms of health. (20k health = 800 extra healing receive from pots... that's like the dmg you get from entropy)

Now explain me, how can Argonians, with their 3 passives capped by battle spirit, be any competitive in PvP?

I don't doubt your argonian has killed a lot of enemies in PvP, but one thing is to kill within the group, and another is to play solo. Since I always play solo, I can tell you that my dunmer is more efficient when it comes to kill enemies.

As many argonians around, I've been claiming for some decent treatment in PvP for over a year now, and posts like yours, which tell a totally different (and invented) story about how argonians are faring at PvP do not help us at all. It is unfair to have a race that is capped in its 3 passives in PvP.

Absolutely. I'll teach you how since apparently you asked so nice. First and foremost, since the healing is reduced by 50%, you can actually still have your healing on your Argonian up to about 40% or so, and with ALL my post AND EVERYTHING that I said, doing it right, you will solo resources...which btw, I do on my Argonian. So to answer your ever so silly question, yes, I do solo resources. The fact that I solo resources with reduced healing says A LOT about PvP. I'll repeat it unless you missed it the first couple times. PvP is not a challenge to me. Yes, I did A LOT of PvP, but just recently turn to PvE for bigger challenges. To go off and say that someone makes up stories because you fail at a race/class/set combo is insanely immature, lol. What do you want me to do, post my rotation/set/CP/specs online? You figure that stuff out. I told you way too much as is. You can up the healing recieved, magika pool (including the use of alchemy), and spell damage as much as you possibly can and you too will have NO problem utilizing an Argonian in PvP. Your lack of knowledge on how to do so is also pathetic. Taking resources by myself is not a challenge and gets REALLY old REALLY fast. Another problem is people like to roll PvP with their characters using fine, superior, and epic (excluding jewelry) gear (and not necessarily sets either which is another problem), then get on the forums and cry about how much a certain race sucks, lmao. Oh it's a beautiful thing. I'm not saying that you're doing that, not at all, but the nonsense gets old. Yes, I heal through the damage dealt by Dunmer ALL the damn time, and then took them out. I've must've gotten hundreds of PSN messages asking why my health never drops below 60% before the healing kicks in and I actually start returning the damage and killing them, and then buffing and 1 shot Soul Tethering people that just shouldn't be in PvP at all. So with your all your made up math and all your wanting to really be good at Argonian, sadly, you need to just stay Dunmer and agree to disagree, savvy?

How can you argue with this logic? Great post Night Child!

Now teach me how to solo a resource!