Discussion: what if adventurers pack didn't exist.

RAGUNAnoOne · February 2016

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Interesting question that I want to chime in on. Look at the two best-in-class stealth races: Bosmer and Khajiit. Both races are in AD and the next best option, lore-wise, for a stealth class would be the Argonians... but they weren't given any stealth passives. So, either take a reduction in stealth passives to sneak with another class, or roll a Bosmer or Khajiit and be forced into AD (unless you have Adventurer's Pack).

It would be nice to slightly alter racial passives so that each faction has a mage/warrior/rogue type. Mages have magicka buffs, Warriors have health/stamina buffs, and Rogues have stamina buffs.

Aldmeri Dominion
Mage - Altmer
Warrior - Khajiit
Rogue - Bosmer

Ebonheart Pact
Mage - Dunmer
Warrior - Nord
Rogue - Argonian

Daggerfall Covenant
Mage - Breton
Warrior - Orc
Rogue - Redguard

Agreed but if you look at Morrowind the go to game for lore Argonians have NO stealth skills only skills for mage (NB in particular, Illusion and Mysticism [siphoning]) and warrior dunmer are all around but mostly stealth skills.

RAGUNAnoOne · February 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

hydrocynus wrote: »

No tanks in AD? Can't see altmer, bosmer or kajit tanks?

Pre block nerf, the regen on Bosmer would have been good I guess.

Agreed bosmer would be the best tanks since tank IS a sustain role along with a health role.

Miszou · February 2016

I like being an Argonian in the AD.

Why would I want to be like everyone else?

llllADBllll · February 2016

If Adventurer Pack didn't exist ZoS wouldn't be able to fob us off when the server crashes by compensating us with pointless area scaled treasure maps and duplicate pets that never get used

Aside from that it's a world far more restrictive for people wanting to join late but friends already have a faction.

DragonSamurai360 · February 2016

Yeah I originally purchased the Imperial Edition on PC in May 2014 and later found an explorer's pack code in a physical edition at my local store, so I only used the DLC code with my already PC Digital Imperial Edition. I have since transferred to Xbox One by way of that limited time PC copy offer and have all my stuff including the explorers pack. If I didn't have the Explorers pack I would be pretty upset, that I couldn't play the way I wanted.

AlnilamE · February 2016

hydrocynus wrote: »

No tanks in AD? Can't see altmer, bosmer or kajit tanks?

My tank is a bosmer, actually. But she is EP.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2016

Initial thoughts are drastic changes in population as far as which faction player are a part of.

Second, I would have hopes that the PvP concerns with cross guild situations would not be an issue because this came as results of ZOS adding VR silver and Gold zones.

Factions use to be locked....some say it was just due to how BETA worked but i recall ZOS communication that specified due to feedback, they decided to remove the PvE faction locks as well as adding silver n gold.

I hope I didn't misinterpret the thread.

Lazrael · February 2016

From a design perspective I think there's an argument to be made, that locking particular races to faction gives a player an increased sense of personal and factional identity, thus increasing role play appeal and perhaps even comradery among players. As long as all 9/10 races are balanced to allow players to successfully fill the necessary roles, then there's no issue from a gameplay point of view.

When crafting an experience restricting options can actually have great positive impacts on player experience, depending on what your goal is.
You could even still leave the Imperial Race as a floater.

Just a thought.

WalkingLegacy · February 2016

Wouldn't care as long as I could still be Imperial

Aelthwyn · February 2016

Given that there are plenty of NPCs of races that don’t belong to the faction they’re in, it would seem rather unfair and annoying to make players be locked to a faction due to race. This would also be frustrating for some role-players who want a less traditional background for some characters.

For me this would mean several of my characters could not exist:
- When I saw the Grey Mire in Grahtwood I wanted to make an Argonian who was from there
- One of my khajiit was rescued from a khajiit trading caravan that was attacked by bandits, and was thus raised by a breton family far from his racial roots so he doesn’t quiiite fit anywhere.

And so forth, there are many interesting backstories to be made if you’re not locked into the racial faction.

Considering the story of being dropped out of the sky when you escape cold harbor, it would almost make most sense to have the game choose your faction at random, putting people of different races all over the place (though I’m very glad we get to choose our faction).

ListerJMC · February 2016

hydrocynus wrote: »

No tanks in AD? Can't see altmer, bosmer or kajit tanks?

My tank is an Altmer in AD, I'm working on a magicka tank build and I've seen it done with Altmer before. I also know a Khajiit tank in DC, and I've rolled with Bosmer tanks a couple of times before without issue.

From what I've seen most people in AD don't seem use the default races for tanking because others are more suited to it, but they exist.

Lenikus · February 2016

hydrocynus wrote: »

No tanks in AD? Can't see altmer, bosmer or kajit tanks?

Bosmer Nightblades master tank race.

LionheartRichard · February 2016

I wish it didn't exist. I keep deleting my character because I can't decide on a faction.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · February 2016

Well for me...nothing, regardless I Join my alliance based on what race Im using so If I use a Dunmer then the EP I will join, If I use a Breton then the DC I will join and If I am Altmer then the AD I will Join.

Anhedonie · February 2016

I would roll an imperial then.