Discussion: what if adventurers pack didn't exist.

RAGUNAnoOne · February 2016

What would happen?

ProfessorKittyhawk · February 2016

Be boring playing as the same 3 races in a faction. I'm sure lots of people would leave. Me included.

Lariana · February 2016

Interesting thought. I have two perspectives.

1) Roleplaying would become much more interesting. There would certainly be a lot more racism between factions.

2) There'd be a huge imbalance between player levels across factions. For example, AD would be full of altmer sorcs and khajiit nightblades. DC would be full of breton sorcs or other powerful race/class combinations. EP will probably contain mainly dunmer; nord and argonian populations will ebb, and overall EP will become much emptier.

Ra'Shtar · February 2016

Then AD would the highest pop alliance because of Altmer racials, every magicka sorc and their mom is altmer.

ProfessorKittyhawk · February 2016

I've said it before, I dunno why any race any faction wasn't made readily available to everyone from the start as its unrealistic to expect a character to magically land in the faction their race belongs in. If the world were more dynamic and npc's noted your race more like characters in Skyrim did (guards saying "What is it (race)?" or bandits saying "You'll make a fine rug, cat!" to khajiit then it would make playing as other races in other factions more interesting. And there's already a precedent of npc's of other races living in other faction's lands. There are Khajiit serving in King Emeric's Lion Guard, a Khajiit hanging out by the enchanting tent in Riften, among other things like that.

But I suppose they had to have SOMETHING to make an extra buck at prerelease, and now through the crown store.

AJ_1988 · February 2016

If it didn't exist I would still have my imperial

lol

PhatGrimReaper · February 2016

The AD sorc army would be real!!!!

...... all EP would have to roll Imperial.... LMAO!!

VodkaVixen1979 · February 2016

My adventure pack came with my game for free since I bought the hard copy disk. A nice perk for being old school? But really tho I went to wally world on black friday, so it was well earned.

I second the comment about AD being even more overpopulated than it is without any race, any alliance. I peeked into PvP and was astounded at how many yellows are in each campaign, yikes! It helps balance faction population and should just be free to everyone imho.

TheRubiksCube · February 2016

Does the any race any alliance not count on the imperial edition as well? I'll assume it doesn't as well.

EP would see a lot of dark elves, the guild I mostly roll with is mostly dark elves, and a lot of EP is see are dark elves. It would see a slight population drop because of the lack of good races.

DC would have breton sorcs, Redguard nbs, and Orc dks. Stays virtually the same since it was never big even with its options.

AD would have high elf sorcs, khajit and wood elf nbs. This is where all the min maxers are and YT fanboys. It has a slight boost in pop from mix maxers.

It would suck for me not to be able to have my stam sorc or magicka sorc, but I notice that I'm going to play mostly on my dark elf nightblade and nord Templar in the long run, so I'm not really hurt by this change.

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

I don't understand the question. Do you mean what if all races in all factions were not something you paid for, or do you mean that you would be locked into a specific race per faction?

Tankqull · February 2016

i would want my money back.

ListerJMC · February 2016

For me, my main character wouldn't be possible since he's an Altmer in the Pact; and I'd be disappointed in being limited to the 3 default alliance races. The Pact is where I spend the most time by far, so I like playing as my favourite race in it.

R1ckyDaMan · February 2016

Nothing would change, I got as a pre order bonus....

Infact removing it from the crown store bwould make me very happy

Thevampirenight · February 2016

Well nothing to me, because I got the explorers pack by just buying the hard copy of the game.
Thus I could be any race in any alliance I had the ability even before buy to play to play in any alliance.
Before buy to play when the game was sub only I think I may have came in the game like in may and I think the game was launched in April. So basically after elderscrolls online was released that I got the game and installed it.
Basically I should have tried beta but did not because they did not have vampires or werewolves

But they did add them later on which is one of the reasons I got the game if they did not add them then I would not have got the game.

ProfessorKittyhawk · February 2016

To those not understanding what the OP is asking, he's asking what you would do if the adventure/explorers pack never existed. That would mean you'd be stuck with whatever races belong to whichever alliance.

mattymaats · February 2016

The thought makes me sad...

Abeille · February 2016

Half of my characters wouldn't exist.

Daraugh · February 2016

I'd still be a Khajiit sorc. Didn't you know if you rub a Khajiit's fur it builds up a static charge? That's why Khajiit make awesome lightning mages, extra shock damage for snuggling.

NateAssassin · February 2016

All of my characters are Khajiit, wouldn't effect me.

nine9six · February 2016

Only toon I have that isn't in their "Alliance" is my Vampire Sorc Altmer who is of the Aundae Clan. He's in the EP because they were from Vvardenfell. Otherwise I'd just have another Dunmer or another Imperial. Don't care to be a Nord and would NEVER be a filthy, stinking Argonian.

hydrocynus · February 2016

No tanks in AD? Can't see altmer, bosmer or kajit tanks?

roigseguib16_ESO · February 2016

I remember back in the day of announcement of the Explorer Pack/Imperial Edition people were complaining due to the lack of lore consistency and the loss of relative advantage of certain races. Back in the day (prior 1.6) races didn't matter that much due to the soft-caps. Anyone could cap anything and it would be useless to be one or another race (except for certain non-resource related bonuses such as Khajiit crits and such). However now race makes it absolutely different for minmaxing.
I really can't think of the unbalances of different races if every race was not available to everyone. For example, for Magicka Dragonknights the difference between Breton and Dunmer is huge (not that much with Altmer, although is significant as well).

I think the Explorer's pack is amazing, and I can't wait til race change so I can reroll infinite times without losing my minmax! ^^

PS. Anyone knows when is the race change/barbershop thing implemented?

Nestor · February 2016

The Adventurers Pack was a no brainer. I had that on Pre-Order for the game before release.

To be locked into a certain race based on the zone I wanted to start playing was not how I wanted to play the game.

Moonshadow66 · February 2016

Nestor wrote: »

The Adventurers Pack was a no brainer. I had that on Pre-Order for the game before release.

To be locked into a certain race based on the zone I wanted to start playing was not how I wanted to play the game.

Same here.

RAGUNAnoOne · February 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I don't understand the question. Do you mean what if all races in all factions were not something you paid for, or do you mean that you would be locked into a specific race per faction?

I mean every race locked to there faction

roigseguib16_ESO · February 2016

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I don't understand the question. Do you mean what if all races in all factions were not something you paid for, or do you mean that you would be locked into a specific race per faction?

I mean every race locked to there faction

The game would be awful to be honest. The unbalance would be insane

Nyteshade · February 2016

This is how DAoC was for years, and it was the best RvR, AvA, WvW style game ever made. The sense of realm loyalty and pride has never been recaptured in another game, because they allow all of this cross faction stuff.

I said from the beginning that the explorer pack was a bad idea.

RAGUNAnoOne · February 2016

Nyteshade wrote: »

This is how DAoC was for years, and it was the best RvR, AvA, WvW style game ever made. The sense of realm loyalty and pride has never been recaptured in another game, because they allow all of this cross faction stuff.

I said from the beginning that the explorer pack was a bad idea.

So it's a bad idea to have one faction to be superior and one to be stuck with the refuse not because of skill but because of passives? The ability to choose any race should have been in the base game for free. it is just a way to A leach money and B cover there asses so they don't need to actually balance races you say a factions races are crap they say buy the pack.

GrumpyDuckling · February 2016

Interesting question that I want to chime in on. Look at the two best-in-class stealth races: Bosmer and Khajiit. Both races are in AD and the next best option, lore-wise, for a stealth class would be the Argonians... but they weren't given any stealth passives. So, either take a reduction in stealth passives to sneak with another class, or roll a Bosmer or Khajiit and be forced into AD (unless you have Adventurer's Pack).

It would be nice to slightly alter racial passives so that each faction has a mage/warrior/rogue type. Mages have magicka buffs, Warriors have health/stamina buffs, and Rogues have stamina buffs.

Aldmeri Dominion
Mage - Altmer
Warrior - Khajiit
Rogue - Bosmer

Ebonheart Pact
Mage - Dunmer
Warrior - Nord
Rogue - Argonian

Daggerfall Covenant
Mage - Breton
Warrior - Orc
Rogue - Redguard

Brrrofski · February 2016

hydrocynus wrote: »

No tanks in AD? Can't see altmer, bosmer or kajit tanks?

Pre block nerf, the regen on Bosmer would have been good I guess.

Alucardo · February 2016

EP would quit. "Argonian and Nord? Aight, I'm out"