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Sugram22 wrote: »

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

whirlwind sucks

Lol, it's morph, steel tornado is the best aoe in the game!

i used steel tornado morph, stamina runs out & all 3-5 mobs still alive & i'm almost dead, & often die cause of that, maybe tank can handle it, but still i consider it crap skill, cause it should kill enemy's before i die even with NB, just eats my stamina & then i'm on the run from mobs, DK Aoe is better fiery breath & then that Aoe ultimate skill, i only have problems with it, problems i mentioned, as carp as Sorc skill mages fury, mages fury ok for beginning, but i replaced it soon as i can with force shock des staff spell

I don't think your playing correctly

Sugram22 wrote: »

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

whirlwind sucks

Lol, it's morph, steel tornado is the best aoe in the game!

BDW i tried steel tornado with both DK & NB, i just killed faster with 2h & NB with dual wield & all class skills

NB is prominently better at single target, rather than aoe zerging, especially as stam. DK has some aoe abilities where as the NB ones are mainly magicka skills.

Feisty_Khajiit128 wrote: »

I am just going to put this out there, I know what skills are good and bad, but I am wondering how to increase stats past what I am doing.

I'll repeat:

"Are you asking for help in regards to how to increase your Health/Stamina?

If so, it may help to know what your attribute distribution is (ie: All stam, mix between health/stam, etc). Also, Using B-Stat Buff Food will you the biggest boost in those two stats."

I'll also add what enchants are you running on armor, weapons and jewelry?

Thank you Omni for the tips. I am currently running all stam enchants on armor with 2p infused (big pieces) along with robust on jewelry. I also am using weapon dmg enchants on jewelry. Are absorb enchants good on weapons? Do they proc when using abilities?

DW stam sorc H Armor, that could be interesting, Boundless Storm + Tornado, AOE Buff + AOE skill (it helps Tornado to do AOE dam), i think that type of char is more AOE grinder then good single target OFC, i meant crap in PVP, well that what i believe, but to some1 who doesn't like PVP it should be good

I suggest you give a bit more information in regards to what you have right now, whether it be attribute distribution, armor types, provisions, etc. so we can narrow down what the issues are.

OP, put all your attribute points into stam. Use your enchants to get your health to a comfortable range. Typically end game dungeons require 18-20k health. Same with pvp. However, with pvp you get a 5k health boost in cyro. So keep that ban mind. For pve I will typically run food to get the extra health I need and rely on siphoning attacks for regen. In pvp i use drink. Keep in mind that as a kahjteam you will have naturally lower max stam then other races.

Let me give an example. I am a bosmer. I get my health from my rings. My armor and attributes are all stam. That gives me 18k health in pvp with the health bonus when I run drink and 24k stam. That is without the undaunted passives. For 0ve I will get about the same health and about 29k stam when i run food.

Hope this helps.

Also, to the player saying tornado was crap,steel tornado is best aoe in game and Idc your lvl. You need better resource management. What 8s your regen? Try siphoning attacks. It is far from a crap skill. IT sounds like you are more effective with bow because it roots and you can do it from range and not die. Not that it is stronger. That is a survivability issue and you should look into vigor and/or rally for some survivability.

Lyrebon wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

whirlwind sucks

Lol, it's morph, steel tornado is the best aoe in the game!

i used steel tornado morph, stamina runs out & all 3-5 mobs still alive & i'm almost dead, & often die cause of that, maybe tank can handle it, but still i consider it crap skill, cause it should kill enemy's before i die even with NB, just eats my stamina & then i'm on the run from mobs, DK Aoe is better fiery breath & then that Aoe ultimate skill, i only have problems with it, problems i mentioned, as carp as Sorc skill mages fury, mages fury ok for beginning, but i replaced it soon as i can with force shock des staff spell

So in content meant to be done by groups you want a single, spammable skill that can kill mobs without any effort what-so-ever?

Nightblades are meant to be single-target damagers, Steel Tornado is only really to assist with AoE damage for your team, it's not meant to be a game changer. And if you're running out of stamina maybe that's your fault because I can spam Tornado 8-9 times and still have stamina to dodge. Besides, you shouldn't be running out of stamina anyway if you're using Relentless Focus and have good resource management sense.

Combine it with Surprise Attack and it'll rip through mobs.

Nightblade isn't easy to play, but that's the fun of it. Managing your stamina is important.

i have a build where i can get 3k weapon damage (buffed) with 3.2k recovery which jumps to 4k plus recovery with pots and throwing in a 2h execute. aka i can get free steel tornado while maintaining acceptable weapon damage.

I can spin to win mobs all day with the sustain of vigor and rally plus throw in caltrops and it eats mobs for breakfast. heck throw in siphoning attacks with caltrops (at least till patch).

bowmanz607 wrote: »

OP, put all your attribute points into stam. Use your enchants to get your health to a comfortable range. Typically end game dungeons require 18-20k health. Same with pvp. However, with pvp you get a 5k health boost in cyro. So keep that ban mind. For pve I will typically run food to get the extra health I need and rely on siphoning attacks for regen. In pvp i use drink. Keep in mind that as a kahjteam you will have naturally lower max stam then other races.

Let me give an example. I am a bosmer. I get my health from my rings. My armor and attributes are all stam. That gives me 18k health in pvp with the health bonus when I run drink and 24k stam. That is without the undaunted passives. For 0ve I will get about the same health and about 29k stam when i run food.

Hope this helps.

Also, to the player saying tornado was crap,steel tornado is best aoe in game and Idc your lvl. You need better resource management. What 8s your regen? Try siphoning attacks. It is far from a crap skill. IT sounds like you are more effective with bow because it roots and you can do it from range and not die. Not that it is stronger. That is a survivability issue and you should look into vigor and/or rally for some survivability.

i with my steam chars i put all points in stam & gear Stam to get more damage, i i get only as much as health as i get with lvl ups, i don't want to sacrifice damage, same with magic build, all in to magic, point & gear


Didn't u read this post? also my post:

with my magic build chars & my stam NB i learned something about stam & MP recovery, u need to be higher lvl to use some skills effectively or 1 char vet that gives u a lot of CP, MP user can be more effective in lower lvl then stam user, MB user 20-30 (Altmer 20) when ur MP problems are fading Stam Char 30 even redguard who has most Stam recovery with med armor, so skills like whirlwind=Steel Tornado at lower lvl suck hard, for that skill i recommend lvl 40+ 50+, unless u have vet char to & that char what ur playing has CP, then 30+ 40+, haven't used tornado again cause i turned my NB in to Archer, so cant even try, but what i said is baste on how i feel about my MP & Stam recovery in this lvl's, how good it is at this lvl's

Sugram22 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

OP, put all your attribute points into stam. Use your enchants to get your health to a comfortable range. Typically end game dungeons require 18-20k health. Same with pvp. However, with pvp you get a 5k health boost in cyro. So keep that ban mind. For pve I will typically run food to get the extra health I need and rely on siphoning attacks for regen. In pvp i use drink. Keep in mind that as a kahjteam you will have naturally lower max stam then other races.

Let me give an example. I am a bosmer. I get my health from my rings. My armor and attributes are all stam. That gives me 18k health in pvp with the health bonus when I run drink and 24k stam. That is without the undaunted passives. For 0ve I will get about the same health and about 29k stam when i run food.

Hope this helps.

Also, to the player saying tornado was crap,steel tornado is best aoe in game and Idc your lvl. You need better resource management. What 8s your regen? Try siphoning attacks. It is far from a crap skill. IT sounds like you are more effective with bow because it roots and you can do it from range and not die. Not that it is stronger. That is a survivability issue and you should look into vigor and/or rally for some survivability.

i with my steam chars i put all points in stam & gear Stam to get more damage, i i get only as much as health as i get with lvl ups, i don't want to sacrifice damage, same with magic build, all in to magic, point & gear


Didn't u read this post? also my post:

with my magic build chars & my stam NB i learned something about stam & MP recovery, u need to be higher lvl to use some skills effectively or 1 char vet that gives u a lot of CP, MP user can be more effective in lower lvl then stam user, MB user 20-30 (Altmer 20) when ur MP problems are fading Stam Char 30 even redguard who has most Stam recovery with med armor, so skills like whirlwind=Steel Tornado at lower lvl suck hard, for that skill i recommend lvl 40+ 50+, unless u have vet char to & that char what ur playing has CP, then 30+ 40+, haven't used tornado again cause i turned my NB in to Archer, so cant even try, but what i said is baste on how i feel about my MP & Stam recovery in this lvl's, how good it is at this lvl's

from a pve perspective maybe. But you can solo all that content at that level anyway except group dungeons. For pvp at those levels i disagree. since everyone is battle leveled, as long as your geared to your level, you can hit similar numbers at low level. also, bosmer has highest regen not redguard.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

OP, put all your attribute points into stam. Use your enchants to get your health to a comfortable range. Typically end game dungeons require 18-20k health. Same with pvp. However, with pvp you get a 5k health boost in cyro. So keep that ban mind. For pve I will typically run food to get the extra health I need and rely on siphoning attacks for regen. In pvp i use drink. Keep in mind that as a kahjteam you will have naturally lower max stam then other races.

Let me give an example. I am a bosmer. I get my health from my rings. My armor and attributes are all stam. That gives me 18k health in pvp with the health bonus when I run drink and 24k stam. That is without the undaunted passives. For 0ve I will get about the same health and about 29k stam when i run food.

Hope this helps.

Also, to the player saying tornado was crap,steel tornado is best aoe in game and Idc your lvl. You need better resource management. What 8s your regen? Try siphoning attacks. It is far from a crap skill. IT sounds like you are more effective with bow because it roots and you can do it from range and not die. Not that it is stronger. That is a survivability issue and you should look into vigor and/or rally for some survivability.

i with my steam chars i put all points in stam & gear Stam to get more damage, i i get only as much as health as i get with lvl ups, i don't want to sacrifice damage, same with magic build, all in to magic, point & gear


Didn't u read this post? also my post:

with my magic build chars & my stam NB i learned something about stam & MP recovery, u need to be higher lvl to use some skills effectively or 1 char vet that gives u a lot of CP, MP user can be more effective in lower lvl then stam user, MB user 20-30 (Altmer 20) when ur MP problems are fading Stam Char 30 even redguard who has most Stam recovery with med armor, so skills like whirlwind=Steel Tornado at lower lvl suck hard, for that skill i recommend lvl 40+ 50+, unless u have vet char to & that char what ur playing has CP, then 30+ 40+, haven't used tornado again cause i turned my NB in to Archer, so cant even try, but what i said is baste on how i feel about my MP & Stam recovery in this lvl's, how good it is at this lvl's

from a pve perspective maybe. But you can solo all that content at that level anyway except group dungeons. For pvp at those levels i disagree. since everyone is battle leveled, as long as your geared to your level, you can hit similar numbers at low level. also, bosmer has highest regen not redguard.

about PvP part, no matte that it scaled in Cyrodiil, ur MP/Stam recovery still won't be the same as for some1 that is v1+, even lvl 20 & 30 have different recovery, scaling doesn't change all things 100%, yes recovery is increased, but as i said higher lvl's still have more recovery

1 thing that nullifies increased MP/Stam recovery is increased MP/Stem cost of skills, so for first timers its specially hard, they can't get CP to reduce it, but still it won't be 100% same as for some1 that is V1+

For the OP:

Put all your attribute points in Stamina and Glyph all your armor but two pieces with stamina. Glyph two big pieces (Head, legs, chest are big) with Health. You will eventually glyph everything for stamina but since you are going to replace your armor, it saves you paying to switch your attributes later.

Blue V8 food for Stamina and health and enchant all your jewelry with Stamina Cost reduction while leveling.

By VR16 you can reduce your stamina cost significantly by champion points in and eventually enchant jewelry for weapon damage, but at lower level the cost reduction will serve you better.


For the person saying Whirlwind sucks. You are severely mistaken. To use effectively you must have significant stamina cost reduction (which my suggestion for the OP does) and you must have decent regen. 1000+ while leveling. Get this through Mooncalf (CP) while leveling.

Just posting a pick of my stats so you know I understand the class well. Been a stamina NB since pc release.