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So since magelight is going to stop nb's cloaking....

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Bare in mind i was for cloak getting a nerf, though i'm not sure about the whole locking cloak out for 5s thing, i'd atleast let nb's use cloak but not go invisible in order to get the effects of it, e.g. the 8% dmg reduction or the guarantee crit.

Anyway since how people use cloak is going to be changed quite a bit, can we change the concealed passive.

The Sa morph gives a nice armour debuff which increases dps by quite a bit. Now the concealed morph gives 25% speed when cloaked/sneaking which while i think it's useful, combined with grasp can make you run very quickly but i don't think this effect is relevant on a dps skill for example:

Wb - cc + empower
Sa - cc (if out of stealth) + armour debuff
Frag - cc , 20% dmg buff and insta proc.
Whip - one gives a heal, the other gives more dmg.
Sweeps - Gives a heal per hit
Jabs - Gives crit chance.

Concealed - gives sneak speed... not exactly so dps or fighting type of ability.

Just a though't get rid of the sneak speed and give it something useful, A dot?/ minor defile/ minor maim/ more crit chance/ crit dmg/ dmg buff.

Anything really thats relevant in a fight because next patch mag nb's won't be able to cloak so much and will need too stand and fight a bit.
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  • Volkodav
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    Do a respec for Stamina NB,and use bow skills to compensate for the loss of our cloaking abilities.To stand and fight should be at a distance for safety.Cos we're a bit weaker without certain skills.So I've been told anyway.I use the Stam NB,without any cloaking and tend to come out on top most of the time.
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    Volkodav wrote: »
    Do a respec for Stamina NB,and use bow skills to compensate for the loss of our cloaking abilities.To stand and fight should be at a distance for safety.Cos we're a bit weaker without certain skills.So I've been told anyway.I use the Stam NB,without any cloaking and tend to come out on top most of the time.

    Stam nb's can dodge roll and such though, mag nb's relied on cloak far more to survive.

    Nah i don't want to make a stam nb, games a bit boring when you 3 hit people.
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  • Molag_Crow
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    Flare/Magelight will lock/silence them for 3 sec now instead of 5, by the way B)
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  • Knootewoot
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    Just a though't get rid of the sneak speed and give it something useful, A dot?/ minor defile/ minor maim/ more crit chance/ crit dmg/ dmg buff.

    Anything really thats relevant in a fight because next patch mag nb's won't be able to cloak so much and will need too stand and fight a bit.

    I'll keep my sneakspeed thank you.

    Also i have to see after this on live. People already hardly use magelight or any other counter. I hardly noticed difference on PTS. I will see what happenes on live. At first the anti-cloak will be a nice gimmick. Then people will miss the one skill shot they use against NB's when attacking other non-NB's and they want the skill back on bar. The anti-cloak will fade from their bar gradually.

    Mage Light already was a live saver from NB's. You could spot them (up close), but more important they did less damage from stealth and you where not stunned (and your group members also). People did not use it because they did not was to sacrifice one ability. Why would they do it now?
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    Volkodav wrote: »
    Do a respec for Stamina NB,and use bow skills to compensate for the loss of our cloaking abilities.To stand and fight should be at a distance for safety.Cos we're a bit weaker without certain skills.So I've been told anyway.I use the Stam NB,without any cloaking and tend to come out on top most of the time.

    Stam nb's can dodge roll and such though, mag nb's relied on cloak far more to survive.

    Nah i don't want to make a stam nb, games a bit boring when you 3 hit people.

    Hmm,..sorry.,I thought you were asking help to be able to win your battles.
    I dont find it boring to be able to take down three at a time,..especially when I am in places like Toothmaul Gully.The mobs in there can be like 4 or 5 at a time.When they come at you,you had better have more than cloak to kill them.
  • Knootewoot
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    Volkodav wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Do a respec for Stamina NB,and use bow skills to compensate for the loss of our cloaking abilities.To stand and fight should be at a distance for safety.Cos we're a bit weaker without certain skills.So I've been told anyway.I use the Stam NB,without any cloaking and tend to come out on top most of the time.

    Stam nb's can dodge roll and such though, mag nb's relied on cloak far more to survive.

    Nah i don't want to make a stam nb, games a bit boring when you 3 hit people.

    Hmm,..sorry.,I thought you were asking help to be able to win your battles.
    I dont find it boring to be able to take down three at a time,..especially when I am in places like Toothmaul Gully.The mobs in there can be like 4 or 5 at a time.When they come at you,you had better have more than cloak to kill them.

    He ment it's boring killing other players in 3 hits (in 1 second due to animation cancelling. dual wield heavy attack cancelled bu suprise attack proc's by camo hunter for example)
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  • leepalmer95
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    Knootewoot wrote: »

    Just a though't get rid of the sneak speed and give it something useful, A dot?/ minor defile/ minor maim/ more crit chance/ crit dmg/ dmg buff.

    Anything really thats relevant in a fight because next patch mag nb's won't be able to cloak so much and will need too stand and fight a bit.

    I'll keep my sneakspeed thank you.

    Also i have to see after this on live. People already hardly use magelight or any other counter. I hardly noticed difference on PTS. I will see what happenes on live. At first the anti-cloak will be a nice gimmick. Then people will miss the one skill shot they use against NB's when attacking other non-NB's and they want the skill back on bar. The anti-cloak will fade from their bar gradually.

    Mage Light already was a live saver from NB's. You could spot them (up close), but more important they did less damage from stealth and you where not stunned (and your group members also). People did not use it because they did not was to sacrifice one ability. Why would they do it now?

    Because mage light no longer needs to be slotted twice, you can now slot it on your front bar, enjoy the 7% max magicka, 10% spell crit and 2% mag regen while having the option to stop nb's cloaking.

    Or you can have radiant magelight, enjoy 2% max mag, 2% regen, 10% crit and make it easier to stop nb's cloaking as well as stop any gankers and half any dmg done from cloak.

    I suspect a lot of vamps to run radiant just to stop the camo spam.

    On life you need to give up 2 of your skill slots, while was too costly.

    Giving up 1 while gaining quite a few benefits seems worth it.
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  • Refuse2GrowUp
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    If you are not aware, they are reducing the 5 seconds cloak-lock down to 3 seconds. This is far less punishing, and acceptable in my book. Five seconds was extreme. Three seconds is just long enough to keep you from cloaking in someone's face. Most the time, you will just pop Mass Hysteria (buffed to effect more tgts) and either get the killing blow, or either have the time to back away and cloak. I do not see 3 seconds being too terribly detrimental; simply you will have to pick your tgts a little wiser.

    With the nerf at 3 seconds vice 5, I see no reason to counter balance with the suggested buffs.
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  • Volkodav
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    Knootewoot wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Do a respec for Stamina NB,and use bow skills to compensate for the loss of our cloaking abilities.To stand and fight should be at a distance for safety.Cos we're a bit weaker without certain skills.So I've been told anyway.I use the Stam NB,without any cloaking and tend to come out on top most of the time.

    Stam nb's can dodge roll and such though, mag nb's relied on cloak far more to survive.

    Nah i don't want to make a stam nb, games a bit boring when you 3 hit people.

    Hmm,..sorry.,I thought you were asking help to be able to win your battles.
    I dont find it boring to be able to take down three at a time,..especially when I am in places like Toothmaul Gully.The mobs in there can be like 4 or 5 at a time.When they come at you,you had better have more than cloak to kill them.

    He ment it's boring killing other players in 3 hits (in 1 second due to animation cancelling. dual wield heavy attack cancelled bu suprise attack proc's by camo hunter for example)

    He meant its boring killing others in three hits? He actually stated that "it's a bit boring when you hit 3 people".Which means hitting three people.
    He didnt say "killing other people with three hits". Which means killing a single player (not 3 people) with three hits.
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    If you are not aware, they are reducing the 5 seconds cloak-lock down to 3 seconds. This is far less punishing, and acceptable in my book. Five seconds was extreme. Three seconds is just long enough to keep you from cloaking in someone's face. Most the time, you will just pop Mass Hysteria (buffed to effect more tgts) and either get the killing blow, or either have the time to back away and cloak. I do not see 3 seconds being too terribly detrimental; simply you will have to pick your tgts a little wiser.

    With the nerf at 3 seconds vice 5, I see no reason to counter balance with the suggested buffs.

    Hmm 3s does sound a lot better.

    I was going to slot magelight on my mag characters just because it's a nice buff overall, the stop cloaking seemed like the icing on the cake.

    With 3s then maybe, though they could of put the extra sneak/cloak speed on something else such double take or even change the mirage morph to it.

    Then added something dps worthy onto concealed, with a name like concealed i would of thought crit chance/dmg would of been a thing.
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  • leepalmer95
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    Volkodav wrote: »
    Knootewoot wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Do a respec for Stamina NB,and use bow skills to compensate for the loss of our cloaking abilities.To stand and fight should be at a distance for safety.Cos we're a bit weaker without certain skills.So I've been told anyway.I use the Stam NB,without any cloaking and tend to come out on top most of the time.

    Stam nb's can dodge roll and such though, mag nb's relied on cloak far more to survive.

    Nah i don't want to make a stam nb, games a bit boring when you 3 hit people.

    Hmm,..sorry.,I thought you were asking help to be able to win your battles.
    I dont find it boring to be able to take down three at a time,..especially when I am in places like Toothmaul Gully.The mobs in there can be like 4 or 5 at a time.When they come at you,you had better have more than cloak to kill them.

    He ment it's boring killing other players in 3 hits (in 1 second due to animation cancelling. dual wield heavy attack cancelled bu suprise attack proc's by camo hunter for example)

    He meant its boring killing others in three hits? He actually stated that "it's a bit boring when you hit 3 people".Which means hitting three people.
    He didnt say "killing other people with three hits". Which means killing a single player (not 3 people) with three hits.

    I actually stated ' games a bit boring when you 3 hit people' , direct quote, 3 hitting means, killing someone/thing in 3 hits, and yes what @Knootewoot said, due to animation cancelling. it can be done in 1-2s.
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  • Knootewoot
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    nvm, it is already described one post above this one.

    Anyway, i think i will also slot magelight. Maybe i die less now from camo hunter :smile:
    Edited by Knootewoot on February 21, 2016 8:11PM
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  • Volkodav
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    Volkodav wrote: »
    Knootewoot wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Do a respec for Stamina NB,and use bow skills to compensate for the loss of our cloaking abilities.To stand and fight should be at a distance for safety.Cos we're a bit weaker without certain skills.So I've been told anyway.I use the Stam NB,without any cloaking and tend to come out on top most of the time.

    Stam nb's can dodge roll and such though, mag nb's relied on cloak far more to survive.

    Nah i don't want to make a stam nb, games a bit boring when you 3 hit people.

    Hmm,..sorry.,I thought you were asking help to be able to win your battles.
    I dont find it boring to be able to take down three at a time,..especially when I am in places like Toothmaul Gully.The mobs in there can be like 4 or 5 at a time.When they come at you,you had better have more than cloak to kill them.

    He ment it's boring killing other players in 3 hits (in 1 second due to animation cancelling. dual wield heavy attack cancelled bu suprise attack proc's by camo hunter for example)

    He meant its boring killing others in three hits? He actually stated that "it's a bit boring when you hit 3 people".Which means hitting three people.
    He didnt say "killing other people with three hits". Which means killing a single player (not 3 people) with three hits.

    I actually stated ' games a bit boring when you 3 hit people' , direct quote, 3 hitting means, killing someone/thing in 3 hits, and yes what @Knootewoot said, due to animation cancelling. it can be done in 1-2s.

    It didnt read that way though.My mistake then.I read it the other way.
    As you stated:
    "games a bit boring when you 3 hit people"
    Still looks like you mean hitting three people,not three hits on one person.

    Perhaps if you said it the other way it might be clearer.And I dont mean that in a snarky manner. :}
    Edited by Volkodav on February 21, 2016 8:29PM
  • leepalmer95
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    Volkodav wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Knootewoot wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Do a respec for Stamina NB,and use bow skills to compensate for the loss of our cloaking abilities.To stand and fight should be at a distance for safety.Cos we're a bit weaker without certain skills.So I've been told anyway.I use the Stam NB,without any cloaking and tend to come out on top most of the time.

    Stam nb's can dodge roll and such though, mag nb's relied on cloak far more to survive.

    Nah i don't want to make a stam nb, games a bit boring when you 3 hit people.

    Hmm,..sorry.,I thought you were asking help to be able to win your battles.
    I dont find it boring to be able to take down three at a time,..especially when I am in places like Toothmaul Gully.The mobs in there can be like 4 or 5 at a time.When they come at you,you had better have more than cloak to kill them.

    He ment it's boring killing other players in 3 hits (in 1 second due to animation cancelling. dual wield heavy attack cancelled bu suprise attack proc's by camo hunter for example)

    He meant its boring killing others in three hits? He actually stated that "it's a bit boring when you hit 3 people".Which means hitting three people.
    He didnt say "killing other people with three hits". Which means killing a single player (not 3 people) with three hits.

    I actually stated ' games a bit boring when you 3 hit people' , direct quote, 3 hitting means, killing someone/thing in 3 hits, and yes what @Knootewoot said, due to animation cancelling. it can be done in 1-2s.

    It didnt read that way though.My mistake then.I read it the other way.
    As you stated:
    "games a bit boring when you 3 hit people"
    Still looks like you mean hitting three people,not three hits on one person.

    Perhaps if you said it the other way it might be clearer.And I dont mean that in a snarky manner. :}

    No if i said it the other way 'games a bit boring when you hit 3 people' then that means if i hit 3 different people...

    Nevermind anyway, is english not your first language?
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  • whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO
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    I want to point out that with Magelight they are bringing back the Might of the Guild passive and when Magelight is casted that on the next attack (within 5 sec's) you will gain Empower, +20% more Damage. Sounds good huh for you Magicka builds right...

    Well there is a flip side to that.......

    The bad news about this is that using Magelight with Bow builds, it is quite easy to use it with Snipe (and it's morphs), with Rally and Grim Focus, and other abilities to perform a possible one or two shot from Sneak. That's why currently on live the Might of the Guild Passive cannot be used with a Toggle/casted ability like Magelight.

    Maybe ZOS has not learned from their Previous mistakes, but they will again with the thieves Guild Patch if this goes into play.
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  • Volkodav
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    Volkodav wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Knootewoot wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Do a respec for Stamina NB,and use bow skills to compensate for the loss of our cloaking abilities.To stand and fight should be at a distance for safety.Cos we're a bit weaker without certain skills.So I've been told anyway.I use the Stam NB,without any cloaking and tend to come out on top most of the time.

    Stam nb's can dodge roll and such though, mag nb's relied on cloak far more to survive.

    Nah i don't want to make a stam nb, games a bit boring when you 3 hit people.

    Hmm,..sorry.,I thought you were asking help to be able to win your battles.
    I dont find it boring to be able to take down three at a time,..especially when I am in places like Toothmaul Gully.The mobs in there can be like 4 or 5 at a time.When they come at you,you had better have more than cloak to kill them.

    He ment it's boring killing other players in 3 hits (in 1 second due to animation cancelling. dual wield heavy attack cancelled bu suprise attack proc's by camo hunter for example)

    He meant its boring killing others in three hits? He actually stated that "it's a bit boring when you hit 3 people".Which means hitting three people.
    He didnt say "killing other people with three hits". Which means killing a single player (not 3 people) with three hits.

    I actually stated ' games a bit boring when you 3 hit people' , direct quote, 3 hitting means, killing someone/thing in 3 hits, and yes what @Knootewoot said, due to animation cancelling. it can be done in 1-2s.

    It didnt read that way though.My mistake then.I read it the other way.
    As you stated:
    "games a bit boring when you 3 hit people"
    Still looks like you mean hitting three people,not three hits on one person.

    Perhaps if you said it the other way it might be clearer.And I dont mean that in a snarky manner. :}

    No if i said it the other way 'games a bit boring when you hit 3 people' then that means if i hit 3 different people...

    Nevermind anyway, is english not your first language?

    Jesus,..here I thought you might be intelligent and you stooped to being rude. Of course English is my first language. Dont be a pratt.
  • OGLezard
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    Knootewoot wrote: »

    Just a though't get rid of the sneak speed and give it something useful, A dot?/ minor defile/ minor maim/ more crit chance/ crit dmg/ dmg buff.

    Anything really thats relevant in a fight because next patch mag nb's won't be able to cloak so much and will need too stand and fight a bit.

    I'll keep my sneakspeed thank you.

    Also i have to see after this on live. People already hardly use magelight or any other counter. I hardly noticed difference on PTS. I will see what happenes on live. At first the anti-cloak will be a nice gimmick. Then people will miss the one skill shot they use against NB's when attacking other non-NB's and they want the skill back on bar. The anti-cloak will fade from their bar gradually.

    Mage Light already was a live saver from NB's. You could spot them (up close), but more important they did less damage from stealth and you where not stunned (and your group members also). People did not use it because they did not was to sacrifice one ability. Why would they do it now?

    It's never left my bar and never has. Keep your increased Magicka one, I will take reduced damage from sneak. So, yea, this person had and will continue to use it ^_^
  • leepalmer95
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    Volkodav wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Knootewoot wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    Do a respec for Stamina NB,and use bow skills to compensate for the loss of our cloaking abilities.To stand and fight should be at a distance for safety.Cos we're a bit weaker without certain skills.So I've been told anyway.I use the Stam NB,without any cloaking and tend to come out on top most of the time.

    Stam nb's can dodge roll and such though, mag nb's relied on cloak far more to survive.

    Nah i don't want to make a stam nb, games a bit boring when you 3 hit people.

    Hmm,..sorry.,I thought you were asking help to be able to win your battles.
    I dont find it boring to be able to take down three at a time,..especially when I am in places like Toothmaul Gully.The mobs in there can be like 4 or 5 at a time.When they come at you,you had better have more than cloak to kill them.

    He ment it's boring killing other players in 3 hits (in 1 second due to animation cancelling. dual wield heavy attack cancelled bu suprise attack proc's by camo hunter for example)

    He meant its boring killing others in three hits? He actually stated that "it's a bit boring when you hit 3 people".Which means hitting three people.
    He didnt say "killing other people with three hits". Which means killing a single player (not 3 people) with three hits.

    I actually stated ' games a bit boring when you 3 hit people' , direct quote, 3 hitting means, killing someone/thing in 3 hits, and yes what @Knootewoot said, due to animation cancelling. it can be done in 1-2s.

    It didnt read that way though.My mistake then.I read it the other way.
    As you stated:
    "games a bit boring when you 3 hit people"
    Still looks like you mean hitting three people,not three hits on one person.

    Perhaps if you said it the other way it might be clearer.And I dont mean that in a snarky manner. :}

    No if i said it the other way 'games a bit boring when you hit 3 people' then that means if i hit 3 different people...

    Nevermind anyway, is english not your first language?

    Jesus,..here I thought you might be intelligent and you stooped to being rude. Of course English is my first language. Dont be a pratt.

    Oh sorry i genuinely though't it wasn't your first language, maybe it's an local area thing or something, it's common in the uk.
    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
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