My friend has become really frustrated with PvP

OtarTheMad · February 2016

Your friend is overreacting, like others have said. Stamina will be on a level playing field with magicka now and I think it'll make PvP more interesting. My Stam DK and Stamplar look forward to the changes.

laksikus · February 2016

Wolverton808b14_ESO wrote: »

So just to try and clear things up, what I'm reading is "Shut up about sorcs" "Hang in there" "Stamina isn't nerfed unless abilities get sucky, but disregard the fact aoe stam is weakened" and "Group play is dumb but it's cool if I blow all your friends up single handedly". Just to add to it, I do want to mention that EVERYultimate other than dragon leap is magicka based. So...magicka users that use magicka det build basically have 3 ults on hand, and all stam users other than DK is biting the dust with weak ults. Any feedback on this? Id love to hear how much of an advantage stam users really do have against most odds and 90% of the ults, cause its looking pretty grim for the newer players coming in. Looks like major grief incoming.

And stam Builds get weapon damage from medium, more damage from 2h, DW (+their very good passives). A Bonus Slot for dw and shield.
Snipers get more poison damage in TG. Steel nado gets a damage buff

Sorc got a shield nerf

Wolverton808b14_ESO · February 2016

Id really like to express my gratitude to those who encouraged me to hang in there. I really do like ESO, I just dont want to see it go down the same elitist gamer road that Archeage did. I left that game to find a better community, and ESO is slowly moving in that direction. So when I see the majority of people rerolling magicka to have an easier time, people have to understand that theres an inbalance, at LEAST with champion points. So its good they are adjusting it imo.

Drakilian · February 2016

Stamina was not nerfed. Stamina was not touched. Defense against stamina was buffed.

Pls learn your words people

Wolverton808b14_ESO · February 2016

Stamina and magicka, champ points and aoes were touched. Plus new armor sets. Also animation cancelling was touched, but testing showed no real changes other than just visual effects without changes to dps according to Syphers observation.

LBxFinalDeath · February 2016

I'm personally just waiting for the rage threads.

Just wait til people realize that magicka sorcs will hit insanely hard with overload and crystal frags (rather than one or the other due to the CP trees being fused) that can instakill your whole group even if he doesn't use them by streak stunning your whole group then letting prox det go off then streaking away to recast it.

Not even assuming he has vicious death too. lol

I almost forgot about meteor too...oh, I can't wait.

The biggest nerf to stamina was the fact that the most effective single player and group of players slaying build are one in the same and will require a magicka build.

Which in turn means a stamina build will inherently be not as effective...add the fact that across the board stam will do less damage due to the new CP tree that will be almost mandatory to have...UNLIKE shattering blows which solely counters ONE class unlike every stam class.

Stam needs a stam version of prox det and vicious death.

Ppl also gonna rage about stam NBs all switching to Magicka too, just wait.

Wolverton808b14_ESO · February 2016

Also speed reduction in rapid maneuvers but it evens out with sprint gain. So yeah, stamina is being touched. Defense against stam means stam offense is affected. Thats a nerf. But reread some of the good points people make here before just outright saying none of it was touched.

AlnilamE · February 2016

The thing is that right now there is an imbalance too.

Right now, if I look at my death recap, I've been killed by stamina skills like Steel Tornado (if I'm going against a group), Wrecking Blow or Executioner. Sometimes I die to Frags or Swallow Soul/Funnel Health, but more often it will be a stamblade with Ambush and Surprise Attack.

I think at first, when the update hits, a lot of people will flock back to Magicka, and then reality will hit and people will move to their preferred style again.

Personally, I have the most fun in PvP when I'm in a small to medium group. I know solo 1vXing is what the cool kids do, but I am mostly a team player and if I can best help the group by countersieging or pouring oils from the walls, then that's what I'll do.

Wolverton808b14_ESO · February 2016

I know the feel when the WB and Executioner spammers come out of the woodwork. I use the same method when I dip into IC alone, but there is a way to avoid it. I specifically use WB spam on someone I see that's using the same rotation. If you get hit by one try to break free from stun asap, then roll INTO them. The WB doesn't follow through when you roll towards their backside, but if you roll AWAY from them, they will just walk towards you and WB hits from a distance so you'll most likely get hit again. Being a magicka build, youll still be able to break free and dodge but be careful because most of your stam will be gone. If anything, break line of sight and recover from it, dont get excited and try to fight them when you already started off from a big hit. Steel nado hits harder at lower health so if you can keep your health up itll hit much weaker. Plus nado burns stam pretty hard so expect them to spam at low health unless theyre running in a group. From my experience, creating distance then rushing them puts enough pressure on them that they downright forget WB and run away more than half the time. I hope this helps you with your griefs AlnilamE. Stam only has 3 heals. Vigor, Rally and Hircine blessing. Unless they go Wolf, the heals are pretty meh. Put pressure on stam and they'll back away. Stun and Immobilize is your friend.

DHale · February 2016

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

The only "nerf" I saw for stam builds was the reduction in Steel tornado from 12.5m to 9m, Which is inline with all other mass aoe.

I guess you missed the one where all stamina builds doing physical damage take an up to 25% reduction in damage.

An overreaction I have 100 in hardy to reduce magic damage I die to crystal frag and velociuos curse all the Time. Concealed weapon soul tether... I could go on. The ability to stack weapon damage is far easier than spell damage I can 3k plus weapon damage without effort to get 4K spell damage you need the best of everything. You will barely notice it.