*Alert* _ There are About 100 DK's on the vMA Leaderboard - *Alert*
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Can you believe that there are almost 100 DK's that have completed vMA? Do you remember when people said how we just had to wait for more data before we could effectively decide whether or not vMA unfairly favored one class or another? Well, we sure did wait. At least we know now from the developers that sometimes they are just going to make content that is infinitely more enjoyable for players of a specific class.
EDIT: MORAL OF THE STORY
Sometimes obvious things are obvious. One of the issues, for example, with the stam regen while blocking nerf is that people said "you have to try it first." Why that wasn't the case and wasn't the case about Dragon Knight's underwhelming performance in vMA is because dissenters came from a more principled position involving the observation of dynamics going on. So when people said "you have to try it first," they were wrong because we came from the position that "nerfs diminish what players can do," and not necessarily the position that "this will be too hard." We came from a position that "these classes are privileged in the kind of content that is catered to them at the expense of these other classes, and not necessarily the position that "this is too hard."
Coming from these frames of thought did not require testing, but only sound argumentation.
Edited by Personofsecrets on February 19, 2016 10:22PM EDIT: MORAL OF THE STORY
Sometimes obvious things are obvious. One of the issues, for example, with the stam regen while blocking nerf is that people said "you have to try it first." Why that wasn't the case and wasn't the case about Dragon Knight's underwhelming performance in vMA is because dissenters came from a more principled position involving the observation of dynamics going on. So when people said "you have to try it first," they were wrong because we came from the position that "nerfs diminish what players can do," and not necessarily the position that "this will be too hard." We came from a position that "these classes are privileged in the kind of content that is catered to them at the expense of these other classes, and not necessarily the position that "this is too hard."
Coming from these frames of thought did not require testing, but only sound argumentation.
Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.
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✭✭✭I can't really say it's more enjoyable, but easier, yes.
Sure. In my opinion, as we tread the halls of DK players, when we start finding the ones that are of medium skill, then we will start to find a higher number of players who believe that something which is more painful than something else is also less fun than something else.
I didn't mean to conflate frustration as lack of fun because I am sure there are at least 5 to 10 players who like frustrating things or would always want something to be "harder."Edited by Personofsecrets on February 19, 2016 1:23AMRest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.0 -
snejremllov✭✭✭http://esoleaderboards.com/index.php?choice=maelstrom&class=dragonknight
As you can clearly see the top 100 score on EU is above 300k, meaning there is a load of people who finished it that are not even showing up. What that implies for the difference in skill between the two megaservers is up to your own interpretation.1 -
Ruben✭✭✭✭✭snejremllov wrote: »http://esoleaderboards.com/index.php?choice=maelstrom&class=dragonknight
As you can clearly see the top 100 score on EU is above 300k, meaning there is a load of people who finished it that are not even showing up. What that implies for the difference in skill between the two megaservers is up to your own interpretation.
That is... interesting.
PS: My Stam DK has a score of >300k and is not in the leaderboard. I need to get better.Edited by Ruben on February 18, 2016 12:44PMDK Stamina DPS
DK Magicka DPS
DK Tank
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peteinosSoul ShrivenI dont get the post.
You do know that leaderboards for vMA are per-class right?
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Templar is my favorite class to run it with bc it´s super relaxed. Just slower than NB or sorc.<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
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✭snejremllov wrote: »http://esoleaderboards.com/index.php?choice=maelstrom&class=dragonknight
As you can clearly see the top 100 score on EU is above 300k, meaning there is a load of people who finished it that are not even showing up. What that implies for the difference in skill between the two megaservers is up to your own interpretation.
Judging by the leaderboards and guild trader sales, we could at least state that EU is quite more populated/active than NA.1 -
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✭✭✭I dont get the post.
You do know that leaderboards for vMA are per-class right?
There are also 100 from every other class in the respective list
Yes, but only recently had have there been 100 DK's while the other classes have had 100 leader board spots taken up for a while now.Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.1 -
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✭Umm it isn't 100% class biased but it is VERY role biased it is either DPS with self heals or GTFOPS4 NA
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✭✭RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »Umm it isn't 100% class biased but it is VERY role biased it is either DPS with self heals or GTFO
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Bossdonut✭✭✭✭✭Lol all the EU people have normal names and all us bloody yanks have ridiculous names. Swaggasm LOL.
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✭✭✭✭I suspect that Maelstrom will be a lot easier on a DK in the next DLC. They have some nice buffs incoming.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
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✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »I suspect that Maelstrom will be a lot easier on a DK in the next DLC. They have some nice buffs incoming.
This is true.Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.0 -
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✭✭OK and ??? What ? Are some them tanks ? Is that what makes this post so important ?1 -
Part of this might be due to the max Exodus of DKs last update, hopefully they'll make a comeback this DLC. : )0
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Paske✭✭✭✭So.... there are 100 DKs on DK ladder ?
Makes sence to me.
If there were other classes on DK ladder - THAT would be a problem.1 -
Ariisen✭✭✭Just to state things, only 23 Dragonknights ever completed vMA on XB1 EU.
And some people have more than one score on the board lol.[XBOX ONE - Daggerfall Covenant - EU - CP 600+]
Gamertag: msYuuuMy Veteran Level Toons:
Zemska - Breton NightBlade [DC]
Riiful - Imperial DragonKnight [DC]
Nikole - Breton Sorcerer [DC]
Mashu - Bosmer NightBlade [DC]
Helise - Breton Templar [DC]
Syosetsuka - Imperial Sorcerer [DC]
Majken - Altmer Dragonknight[DC]I'm back after 3 months yoh.0 -
willymchilybily✭✭✭✭to be fair all consoles are behind later release and less CP average probably didnt help. Only the previous 2-3 weeks did sorcs need to do more complete maelstrom (300 score) to get on score bored. where as last week you needed over 150k. I imagine it will continue in this fashion. and the same for other classes.
more completes, higher scores, fuller leader boards.PSN - WarpPigeon - Guild: TheSyndicate - EU, Ebonheart PactDragon Knight [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Magicka] - 720 - Flawless ConquerorTemplar [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofDragon Knight [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Stamina] - 7200 -
LorDrek✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »I suspect that Maelstrom will be a lot easier on a DK in the next DLC. They have some nice buffs incoming.
This is true.
Only for magicka DK, stamina DK nerfed
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✭✭timidobserver wrote: »I suspect that Maelstrom will be a lot easier on a DK in the next DLC. They have some nice buffs incoming.
Just spam Burning Embers for 48k heals, Im not even kidding, Alcast made a video about this.PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
Septimus Rulanir - Orsimer Templar
Septimus Desmoru - Khajiit Necromancer
Septimus Iroh - Dunmer Dragon Knight
Septimus Thragar - Dunmer Nightblade
Septimus Jah'zar - Khajiit Nightblade
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✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »I suspect that Maelstrom will be a lot easier on a DK in the next DLC. They have some nice buffs incoming.
Just spam Burning Embers for 48k heals, Im not even kidding, Alcast made a video about this.
and that was not a crit heal ...spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"0 -
swaggasm✭✭✭Lol all the EU people have normal names and all us bloody yanks have ridiculous names. Swaggasm LOL.
WARMS MY HEART.
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✭snejremllov wrote: »http://esoleaderboards.com/index.php?choice=maelstrom&class=dragonknight
As you can clearly see the top 100 score on EU is above 300k, meaning there is a load of people who finished it that are not even showing up. What that implies for the difference in skill between the two megaservers is up to your own interpretation.
Judging by the leaderboards and guild trader sales, we could at least state that EU is quite more populated/active than NA.
Also from that EU still have way more PvP campigns and population playing on them compared to NA.:]0 -
TotterTates✭✭✭✭Only for magicka DK, stamina DK nerfedPersonofsecrets wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »I suspect that Maelstrom will be a lot easier on a DK in the next DLC. They have some nice buffs incoming.
This is true.
Really? I ran vMA on the PTS and shaved 1.5 min off my top time by stage 5...Cuppincakes- Imperial Dragonknight (Tank)
- Pre-TG vMA Score: 459,636 [55:36, 0 Sigils, 0 Deaths] (Stamina)
- Post-TG vMA Score: 537,328 [53:36, 0 Sigils, 0 Deaths] (Stamina)
- Altmer Sorc (DPS)
- Dunmer Dragonknight (Healer/DPS)
- Argonian Templar (Healer)
- Khajiit Nightblade (DPS)
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✭✭Someone tell me, is it still hard as balls on my sub-optimal race choice stamplar? I was close a while back but gave up in frustration.0 -
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✭✭DK has been considered low tier dps along with templar.
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✭✭✭TotterTates wrote: »Only for magicka DK, stamina DK nerfedPersonofsecrets wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »I suspect that Maelstrom will be a lot easier on a DK in the next DLC. They have some nice buffs incoming.
This is true.
Really? I ran vMA on the PTS and shaved 1.5 min off my top time by stage 5...
What do you run as stam dk? greatsword and bow?Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.0 -
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✭✭✭Updated with moral.Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.0 -
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✭✭✭HoloYoitsu wrote: »Eric Wrobel wrote:Not all classes are designed to perform equally
Wow, that sounds exactly like what I mentioned in my post. It's almost as though everybody already knows how the developers feel about making content that is unbalanced with respect to the classes.
Hey, I guess if the developers feel a certain way, then their feelings must be right and we should kowtow in their midst. I mean, they did say something. We should just go along with it even if we don't like it.Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.1
