Am i just imagining or is ESO getting more and more silent?

Lord_Ejl · February 2016

At least it feels like that at AD, i haven't played any other faction character, so don't know about those. Also some people i have talked with are losing interest after just endless fetch quests, area after area, and pvp isn't their thing either. When i started to think about it, ESO really don't have much stuff to do in the end.
I remember when Sacred 2 came out for example, it was advertised as having over 500 quests! I played it, and not many quests were fun, though they were plenty.

And then there's wishes of guild housing for example, that would bring a lot of stuff to do for all the pve players in form of upgrading the house, maybe some crop planning for alchemy ingredients etc?. I hope TG brings more diversity in pve.

Two of my irl friends have stopped this game, since it's not fun, and my girlfriend is playing only couple hours a week, cause she's having more fun playing other games. My gf's sister and her fiancee tried this (after i showed pictures of Dolmens, and the beautiful scenery, they got interested), got bored and haven't logged back in 100+ days. So 4/5 people i have managed to get in the game, have gotten bored with it, and these people are MMO-players and gamers.

Games that offer thousands of quests, isn't good anymore. They were cool over a decade ago, i don't really understand ZOS's plan. Who said it's good idea to do 6 delves per area for example, when some of them are just copy-pasted? I could have lived with 2-3 for example. Or with tight schedule, let's code up 20 more fetch quests where you have to run from point a, to point b, back to a, then to c (that people don't even care to remember after 2 hours) instead of using that time for bug fixes for example? Dialogue is good almost on every quest, but the pointless running is stopping me to complete gadwells gold at Rivenspire, and i've been a v16 for about 2 months now, this is my first char.
Thought about unsubbing as well, but i'll see TG first, what it brings more to the game. Now i'm paying 13 euros as a uni student (so i could use the money to other things preferably) and playing more other games than this.

Xellos77 · February 2016

Lord_Ejl wrote: »

At least it feels like that at AD, i haven't played any other faction character, so don't know about those. Also some people i have talked with are losing interest after just endless fetch quests, area after area, and pvp isn't their thing either. When i started to think about it, ESO really don't have much stuff to do in the end.
I remember when Sacred 2 came out for example, it was advertised as having over 500 quests! I played it, and not many quests were fun, though they were plenty.

And then there's wishes of guild housing for example, that would bring a lot of stuff to do for all the pve players in form of upgrading the house, maybe some crop planning for alchemy ingredients etc?. I hope TG brings more diversity in pve.

Two of my irl friends have stopped this game, since it's not fun, and my girlfriend is playing only couple hours a week, cause she's having more fun playing other games. My gf's sister and her fiancee tried this (after i showed pictures of Dolmens, and the beautiful scenery, they got interested), got bored and haven't logged back in 100+ days. So 4/5 people i have managed to get in the game, have gotten bored with it, and these people are MMO-players and gamers.

Games that offer thousands of quests, isn't good anymore. They were cool over a decade ago, i don't really understand ZOS's plan. Who said it's good idea to do 6 delves per area for example, when some of them are just copy-pasted? I could have lived with 2-3 for example. Or with tight schedule, let's code up 20 more fetch quests where you have to run from point a, to point b, back to a, then to c (that people don't even care to remember after 2 hours) instead of using that time for bug fixes for example? Dialogue is good almost on every quest, but the pointless running is stopping me to complete gadwells gold at Rivenspire, and i've been a v16 for about 2 months now, this is my first char.
Thought about unsubbing as well, but i'll see TG first, what it brings more to the game. Now i'm paying 13 euros as a uni student (so i could use the money to other things preferably) and playing more other games than this.

Bolded sentence is why I got bored and left. May come back if it's fixed. IDK yet.

People will come and go, however. Some will stay because it's ES and that's that. Some people love the PvP. Etc, etc.

SeptimusDova · February 2016

It would help if they got away from the standard quest types as well. But you are not imagining things the game is losing people for the reasons you noted. And other class based reasons.There is no depth to the factions after doing the respective kings and queens bidding's. No follow up no runner from the Skald king saying hey I need you again. Nothing from the Queen about Her and Razum'Dar's marriage or needing some AD business taken care of. Nothing From High on 420 King Emeric about seriously needing to step up the game in the blueberry fields of Cyrodiil.

Nothing it is as if these areas and people cease to exist. The Savior of Nirn becomes just another face in the crowd.The game at the end lacks any sort of engagement.Even Wrothgar and IC are the same way.No continuation of any story-line. Craglorn anyone?

coolermh · February 2016

Lord_Ejl wrote: »

At least it feels like that at AD, i haven't played any other faction character, so don't know about those. Also some people i have talked with are losing interest after just endless fetch quests, area after area, and pvp isn't their thing either. When i started to think about it, ESO really don't have much stuff to do in the end.
I remember when Sacred 2 came out for example, it was advertised as having over 500 quests! I played it, and not many quests were fun, though they were plenty.

And then there's wishes of guild housing for example, that would bring a lot of stuff to do for all the pve players in form of upgrading the house, maybe some crop planning for alchemy ingredients etc?. I hope TG brings more diversity in pve.

Two of my irl friends have stopped this game, since it's not fun, and my girlfriend is playing only couple hours a week, cause she's having more fun playing other games. My gf's sister and her fiancee tried this (after i showed pictures of Dolmens, and the beautiful scenery, they got interested), got bored and haven't logged back in 100+ days. So 4/5 people i have managed to get in the game, have gotten bored with it, and these people are MMO-players and gamers.

Games that offer thousands of quests, isn't good anymore. They were cool over a decade ago, i don't really understand ZOS's plan. Who said it's good idea to do 6 delves per area for example, when some of them are just copy-pasted? I could have lived with 2-3 for example. Or with tight schedule, let's code up 20 more fetch quests where you have to run from point a, to point b, back to a, then to c (that people don't even care to remember after 2 hours) instead of using that time for bug fixes for example? Dialogue is good almost on every quest, but the pointless running is stopping me to complete gadwells gold at Rivenspire, and i've been a v16 for about 2 months now, this is my first char.
Thought about unsubbing as well, but i'll see TG first, what it brings more to the game. Now i'm paying 13 euros as a uni student (so i could use the money to other things preferably) and playing more other games than this.

If you are bored try doing vet malestorm. It will surely present a challenge.

Milvan · February 2016

SeptimusDova wrote: »

Nothing from the Queen about Her and Razum'Dar's marriage

WAIT WHAT? HOW DID I MISS THAT?

Vangy · February 2016

Basically I just log in once a day to rake in my crafting dailies, play some market tycoon and maybe grab another skyshard or or 2 on my alts. That's about it. Waiting for thieves guild and frankly I stopped pvping solo due to the lag and broken class balance. I just Zerg every now and then on my alts on weekends to farm 50-100 k ap in a few hours then get bored and log off lol. Pvp is a joke currently. Not going to be any better next patch when everyone and their mothers are going to have proxy with unreflectable meteors....

Lightninvash · February 2016

well I thought this about eso at first(xbox NA server) then one day I decided that I would go in the sewers round 5-6pm my time(prime ish time I think) and saw all but 2 campaigns full on all 3 alliances the other 2 were full in EP and 1-2 blocks AD and DC I was like O.O that's where everyone went.... they pretty much all decided I will pvp today. That's when I realized that there are still loads of people playing. at least on xbox NA

llllADBllll · February 2016

More and more people are stating in their guild chat. Plus people don't really talk while grinding or doing pledges they'll jump into group chat.

This does however explain the lack of communication in AD and EP.

Lord_Ejl · February 2016

Yes, lol, I have tried the maelstrom vet and have failed many times. I will try it again with Molag Kena's helm when i got a hold of it to get the second bonus. But it would still be cool to have more than one thing to do

I like both PvP and PvE, getting better and learning Pvp all the time, but the lag.. and the distances even with fully upgraded horses. If you can't teleport theres a minute riding to the keep if the routes are blocked, or the keep is ua., and don't even get me started if ambushed halfway, one-shotted by a sneak NB and have to start the trip all over again..

Knootewoot · February 2016

Lord_Ejl wrote: »

When i started to think about it, ESO really don't have much stuff to do in the end.

I only PvP because of this.

Other may disagree on this of course because we still have pure PvE'ers who are around from early access to now. And they seem to have a blast.

Pallmor · February 2016

No MMO can ever generate enough content to please everyone forever. If you don't like PvP and raiding, you will eventually run out of PvE story content. It's simply impossible for any developer to pump out enough new content to keep up with players. Even Blizzard, with their magic money-printing machine/golden goose , can't keep up with their players when it comes to new content.

So I'm afraid you're destined to spend the rest of your life bouncing from game to game, like Sisyphus cursed to endlessly push a boulder which he will never get over the hill.

puffy99 · February 2016

On console right now there is not any other MMO like choices otherwise there would be crickets.
As mentioned before this game needs a serious Mgt refresh.The guy at the top is clueless and has no idea what class balance is nor how to create unique and EQUALLY powerful characters.

He needs to GO!

Mashille · February 2016

@Pallmor

I wouldn't say it was a lack of content, but the lack of variation. Most quests feel the same and don't introduce many new mechanics, hardly any puzzles in dungeons etc.

There needs to be more NEW things in quests rather than kill, kill, talk, talk, run, run, talk, talk.

Adding quests that make people go 'cool' or 'that's awesome' is what we need. As through almost all Alliance main and side quests there is little variation.

Adding or changing quests to contain different things like maybe jumping puzzles, dynamic events, unique encounters where you fight something by not using the combat system but instead throwing rocks at certain weak points where you have to aim right or something like that. (I still love the combat though)

Allowing people to REALLY go where they want instead of blocking stuff off with invisible walls, why not let us be able to climb the mountains in Stonefalls, when reaching the top, get a loading screen and arrive on the same mountains that descend into Deshaan. Same with The Rift and Eastmarch. Because transition is also extremely samey with lack of variation, 'to get to this zone you must follow this ONE road that takes you there'.

I feel like they should hold back on pumping out the DLC's every 3 months and take some time to polish up and improve the quality of the actual game content and quests. Maybe an edit here, an adjustment there, overhaul this and that etc.

Xellos77 · February 2016

puffy99 wrote: »

On console right now there is not any other MMO like choices otherwise there would be crickets.
As mentioned before this game needs a serious Mgt refresh.The guy at the top is clueless and has no idea what class balance is nor how to create unique and EQUALLY powerful characters.

He needs to GO!

Disagree. I think FFXIV is fantastic and although cut from a different cloth than ESO, I love the class options and the fact that changing classes is as simple as making the choice to do so; no need for alts.

As far as ESO is concerned, I would love to return and become involved again.. if only there was endgame content to do so. I'll give it a year or so and follow the changes and tweaks. If it looks appealing and implementation of real endgame content emerges, I'll probably be back.

Molag_Crow · February 2016

It's pretty cool on Console community-wise but I know that a lot of our usual's have moved onto other games due to the insane lag in Azura's Star, EU -- and other campaigns just aren't the same. We've gone to other campaigns only to take over the whole map and drive the other factions back to Azura's/Imperial City, and it's pretty dead & rare to find some decent battles in any of the campaigns other than Azura's right now but because of the insane lag there, it's disappointing.

PvE-wise, I guess many are bored of doing pledges and stuff. Can't wait til the new DLC patch anyway.

krees28b14_ESO · February 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

It's pretty cool on Console community-wise but I know that a lot of our usual's have moved onto other games due to the insane lag in Azura's Star, EU -- and other campaigns just aren't the same. We've gone to other campaigns only to take over the whole map and drive the other factions back to Azura's/Imperial City, and it's pretty dead & rare to find some decent battles in any of the campaigns other than Azura's right now but because of the insane lag there, it's disappointing.

PvE-wise, I guess many are bored of doing pledges and stuff. Can't wait til the new DLC patch anyway.

Many people that I know stopped doing pledges the moment the dlc hit the pts. No need to run them for helms and shoulder because now you can just buy the ones you want. They know it may take time but time they have since there is not much else to do. The only reason they run them now is to level undaunted to max or help someone who is leveling theirs. Now they spend their time in PvP but are getting fed up with the class imbalance and the severe lag. March 7th cannot get here fast enough.

Lord_Ejl · February 2016

keybaud wrote: »

@Pallmor

I wouldn't say it was a lack of content, but the lack of variation. Most quests feel the same and don't introduce many new mechanics, hardly any puzzles in dungeons etc.

There needs to be more NEW things in quests rather than kill, kill, talk, talk, run, run, talk, talk.

Adding quests that make people go 'cool' or 'that's awesome' is what we need. As through almost all Alliance main and side quests there is little variation.

Adding or changing quests to contain different things like maybe jumping puzzles, dynamic events, unique encounters where you fight something by not using the combat system but instead throwing rocks at certain weak points where you have to aim right or something like that. (I still love the combat though)

Allowing people to REALLY go where they want instead of blocking stuff off with invisible walls, why not let us be able to climb the mountains in Stonefalls, when reaching the top, get a loading screen and arrive on the same mountains that descend into Deshaan. Same with The Rift and Eastmarch. Because transition is also extremely samey with lack of variation, 'to get to this zone you must follow this ONE road that takes you there'.

I feel like they should hold back on pumping out the DLC's every 3 months and take some time to polish up and improve the quality of the actual game content and quests. Maybe an edit here, an adjustment there, overhaul this and that etc.

Yes! I like the idea of going wherever, by mountains, by swimming, would be great.

The only thing i really liked about GW2 was the jumping puzzles, they were a welcome chance for the questing and filling the hearts. Every new jumping puzzle was cool to plan the route and start exploring.
Give us things like that ZOS, completely useless, but still fun to do. I don't want another green gloves from another fetch quest just to destroy it, deconning it is useless for me, i got 150+ green resins, craft skills at 50, and much mats. I want fun for my monthly paying.

Id be up for that overhauling instead of dlc, it's especially saddening since wrothgar is great compared to base game areas. But locked behind a paywall for new players. Then they got bored of the look-alike areas and quests, never experiencing the better side of ESO. ZOS is kind of shooting their own leg here, if they want to push dlc every 3 months, atleast do some minor adjustments to base game areas at the same time, within possibilities. Starting with that transitioning thing. Even if it would be just couple areas at a time, that's always a step forward, and i'm sure players would understand.

And yes, i know you can't please everybody, and i'm not presuming anything like that. At the current state, there just isn't much to do in ESO variation-wise, it's not fun. I run Casual Fellows guild, and we've had some social member's logging in less and less, we've had cool conversations on the chat with them, getting to know each other. This game has so much potential, but strange decisions by devs seem to hurt the game way more than it deserves.

Elijah_Crow · February 2016

There are ebbs and flows to the population. It's usually lowest when people are on PTS full time testing the next DLC/Expansion release. When it drops, pop goes back up from people who were full time testing and returning players who were taking a break waiting on new content.

Been here since beta on PC and you can even see it in forum activity. Not worried at all as population feels overall higher than ever (minus the PTS/New release dip).

Destyran · February 2016

Games dying because the devs are trash and want a game like destiny drive out hardcore players attract new players make everyone equal. They dont realise its a mmo and peiple beed to put work in. It should go back to sub only on pc and optinal on console for more revenue

Reevster · February 2016

Buy a PC and get rid of the PS...problem solved...well one problem anyways....

bryanhaas · February 2016

Kinda seems like people are staying out of area chat lately maybe due to the obnoxious people in area.
Either that or maybe the only people in area chat where the obnoxious ones and I have already blocked them all.

DMuehlhausen · February 2016

From reading the first part of the complaint seems the OP falls more into the category...I really want to play MMOs, but I just really like them, but will still buy them and complain when they don't fit what I think a game should be.

Callous2208 · February 2016

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

From reading the first part of the complaint seems the OP falls more into the category...I really want to play MMOs, but I just really like them, but will still buy them and complain when they don't fit what I think a game should be.

Harsh, but I was kinda thinking the same. Granted the questing could always use a bit more excitement and variety, but there really isn't anything on the market with better questing as far an mmo goes. When one ventures away from esoland, you can really see what mundane fetch questing is all about. No voice acting, no story elements, kill 10 boars, bring hides back to me.

Volkodav · February 2016

I see tons of people in AD,on PC. Makes me not want to log out.I enjoy it when there are a lot of people all over the place.

redTechInc · February 2016

The questing itself is okay, though some kind of karma system for certain "important" quest-decisions might bring some more depth to it. You could be this shiny golden hero who weighs everyone's lifes worthy of being saved, then again you could be the cold, reserved soul-less adventurer who gets a *** when someone has to die, justified or not. If these quest-decisions had some effect on how the people of the alliances reacted when seeing you questing would be a lot more fun.

ProfessorKittyhawk · February 2016

You must be playing during off hours because I just finished leveling a character in AD and aside from perhaps Reapers March and Coldharbour the other zones all seemed lively enough.

There is plenty to do in this game. Just depends in what it is you're looking for. I can see how running the same dungeons and trials over and over for underleveled gear could get a bit tiresome, but they're working in that and bringimg out new stuff quote frequently now. If you're not into questing, pvp, doing dungeons/trials, or role playing, then then might as well quit mmo's in general. Because as far as ESO goes, I feel is just about fulfills everyone's desires equally.

Alabyn · February 2016

Vangy wrote: »

Basically I just log in once a day to rake in my crafting dailies, play some market tycoon and maybe grab another skyshard or or 2 on my alts. That's about it. Waiting for thieves guild and frankly I stopped pvping solo due to the lag and broken class balance. I just Zerg every now and then on my alts on weekends to farm 50-100 k ap in a few hours then get bored and log off lol. Pvp is a joke currently. Not going to be any better next patch when everyone and their mothers are going to have proxy with unreflectable meteors....

Daily login, and hours on the weekends? Rather than scaled-down disinterest, seems like a lot to me! Casually still finishing Wrothgar story...

Bossdonut · February 2016

Was playing ps4 dc last weekend and there were literally legions of lowbies leveling up.

Running in packs together like lemmimgs.

Pendrillion · February 2016

Also few people understand that the player population usually progresses in waves through the zones. If you really want to see emptyness go to EP Greenshade

Ampnode · February 2016

Out of 42 people on my friend's list, only 7(so far) have logged on in the past 2 months. Out with the old, in with the new as they say.

attackjet · February 2016

Quests are dumb and are 2-3 times slower than grinding.

Pretty lame, this game is just a constant grind fest..... Though I love MMOs and this is the only good one, I contemplate quitting the game some times. If quest were more meaningful and fun and actually gave you expierence this game would be much better.

At its current state its so good yet so awefully repetitive its annoying.

This game is really good but too much of a grindfest