b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

After numerous updates or patches, I finally come to realize that what Templar or even the game as a whole really needs is a new combat developer team or new lead combat designer.

nagarjunna wrote: »

Therein lies the problem... no one knows what the vision is.

I'd like ZOS to communicate on this and tell us what the templar is and how they want to achieve that goal.

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

I've played a Templar from the first day the game went live during pre-launch in 2014. Except for a brief period after ZOS gave the class an execute, the Templar has always been the weakest DPS/DD class. I've maxed every weapon line on my Templar except sword and board. I've done magicka builds and stamina builds, and maxed all the class skills. I tried being a dedicated healer, tried range DPS, and melee DPS.

Templar can be a good tank due to its excellent self sustain, but the tank role is limited in ESO. Templar can be a good healer, of course, but ZOS seems to want to limit Templar healing so that the other classes' healing can be nearly on par with Templar. And there is absolutely nothing that puts the Templar on a par with the other classes for DPS/DD.

I've found a happy medium for my Templar doing mostly solo PvE at my pace and with my two favorite weapons, the bow and dual wield with a stamina DPS/DD oriented build. But this means my Templar will never be very good at PvP or intense group-oriented content.

Callous2208 wrote: »

I think some people are missing the point. Sure everyone will have a biased opinion and perhaps think that their class has it worse in certain aspects of the game. But know this. It is not biased rhetoric, nor foaming at the mouth from people who need to L2P their class and quit whining. The templar class is not just miles behind in certain singular aspects of gameplay. I would argue it is the worst class for all situations at this time. Sure, every class has it's strengths and weaknesses. Templar, in the current system, has no strengths. Nothing that makes it the best choice for any scenario. (PvP, PvE, Healing, Tanking, Dps.) This friends, has been the issue for quite some time now, and it needs immediate attention.

BalticBlues wrote: »

I once had the priviledge to work for a team of one of the best computer game designers of this world, Sid Meier (best known for "Civilization"). Several magazines put Meier at the top of their listing of the "Most Influential People in Computer Gaming of All Time". Meier is incredibly bright and successful, but everybody makes mistakes, and he would be the first to admit he also did. From his less successful designs, Sid gives this advice:

Sid Meier: "The Player Should Have The Fun, Not The Designer Or The Computer"
In Sid’s words, the player must be the "star": "As designers, we need to be the player’s greatest advocate during a game’s development, always considering carefully how design decisions affect the player’s agency in the world."

This thread shows why Templars are losing the fun, feeling more like victims instead of "stars".
We need the help of a designer who brings back the fun, not takes even more of it.
We need the help of a designer who puts our fun in the game first, not his fun as designer.
We need the help of a designer who designs class skills according to content requirements.

aLi3nZ wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

I think some people are missing the point. Sure everyone will have a biased opinion and perhaps think that their class has it worse in certain aspects of the game. But know this. It is not biased rhetoric, nor foaming at the mouth from people who need to L2P their class and quit whining. The templar class is not just miles behind in certain singular aspects of gameplay. I would argue it is the worst class for all situations at this time. Sure, every class has it's strengths and weaknesses. Templar, in the current system, has no strengths. Nothing that makes it the best choice for any scenario. (PvP, PvE, Healing, Tanking, Dps.) This friends, has been the issue for quite some time now, and it needs immediate attention.

templars are great healers and a good choice for pve since they have awesome self healing and decent dps. If it is such a bad choice why do so many people choose Templar. I often see new Templars power leveling / grinding even

ZOS_KNowak wrote: »

Hey guys,

Thanks for the discussion on Bow PvE DPS. We agree that "pure" Bow PvE builds are parsing a little bit lower than we'd like in dungeon and trial encounters. We want to improve Bow's sustained damage without buffing its burst (especially from Crouch), and we targeted a change that will help out Bow builds without influencing the hybrid Dual Wield/Bow or Two Handed/Bow builds (which are already very competitive).

In the next PTS build, you should see following change to the Hawk Eye passive:

Old Hawkeye:
Increases the damage of your Bow attacks by 8/15% when striking off balance enemies.

New Hawkeye:
Your successful Light and Heavy Attacks increase the damage of all your Bow abilities by 2/5% for 4 seconds, stacking up to 3 times.

A standard Bow PvE DPS rotation should be able to generate and maintain Hawk Eye stacks throughout a boss encounter, and this keeps it out of reach of Crouch burst or hybrid builds who only use Bow to keep up Volley or Poison Injection.