If you really want to see bows buffed for PvE, give feedback in this thread about this set. In my opinion it should be an 8% increase in damage for all mobs, not just players. My only concern would be buffing bows in PvP but since this set already does it, there is no reason to limit it to players.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245026/official-feedback-thread-for-new-item-sets

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

If you really want to see bows buffed for PvE, give feedback in this thread about this set. In my opinion it should be an 8% increase in damage for all mobs, not just players. My only concern would be buffing bows in PvP but since this set already does it, there is no reason to limit it to players.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245026/official-feedback-thread-for-new-item-sets

Ill be honest. Its a band-aid solution at best IMO. Also, 8% wont do it.

8% is actually a lot when you consider that the developers have no intention of breaking their design philosophy about ranged attacks doing less damage in PvE as there is less danger to the player being able to stand at a distance.

I think this is would add a great deal of balance for those that want Bow to be their primary damage source for PvE content.

Alucardo wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

The bow would be an awesome and unique weapon again, if ZOS would go for proper poison usage on bows - this was what made the bow great in other TES games, and there is "slow" poison in the game already - it just would have to work on bows.

There's poison injection and acid spray (AoE poison and slows enemies) already. These will hit even harder in the next patch because poison will be joining Mighty in the CP tree.

Doubt it will double your dps.

No, it will increase it by 25% when using poison. Morag tong would cause that to be increased to 40%, or sheer venom applies a heavy poison dot when you attack an enemy with an execute ability. That'd be quite useful too. Not sure if poison injection constitutes as an execute - I mean it does do more damage to targets under a certain amount of health like one.

Yea poison injection procs Sheer Venom set

cote-bmsb16_ESO wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

it has nothing to do with broken things.
Its just if you want max DPS you have to go malee, as mag or stam user, if you want to go range you have to secrifice DPS and be on the safer side on the other hand.

You cant have everything, that "i want everything cos i want" habbit is what brought all those stupid nerfs which everybody calls for first and dont want once they go live.

Half the damage magicka classes do ISNT from Staff, even more than half. Sorcs shoot frags, liquid lighntning and Overload (overload is a big part of the dps in boss fights) and to get max DPS they have to use lightning form and go malee range. you can get what if you only use shock? 15k dps?

The thread isnt about a 1-2k dps differences (this is how much youll gain from adding boundless storm to your bar and staying in melee as a sorc). Its about a 10k+ differences. Half the magicka damage isnt from staff... well, thats great. Where are my stamina class morphs to complement the bow? Where are the class passives to boost my bow damage/utility?

laksikus wrote: »

Bow? isnt perfect but snipe spam is one of the easiest ways for casual stam users to do good dps.

How much dps can you pull with it? 15-20k? thats what every average casual DD can pull too, and its enough to get EVERY content in the game done.

20k dps from snipe spam? Not bloody likely. You can on the other hand place Liquid Lightning and spam Overload for 30k dps without going melee.

laksikus wrote: »

If you want max DPS you cant have everything, you have to sacrifice something for it.

Yes, you have to sacrifice your preferred playstyle especially if it happens to include using a bow.

I know some really good archers, pull high dps on bosses. They just lurk on here, and laugh because people are asking for bow buffs. If they buffed these really good archers, because of all of the *** ones.. Oh boy, look out.

I know some really good magicka dps players, pulling much higher dps on bosses than your good archers.They just lurk here and nod because people are asking for bow buffs. ...and so on.

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

What Id like to see is bows doing comparable damage to other ranged weapons (staves) in PvE. Correct me if Im wrong but currently bow seems to be one of the lowest (if not the lowest) dps weapon in game. I dont get it. Its such an iconic piece of equipment.

Magic will always be more powerful than bows or melee weapons.

Back when VR14 was max level, Morag Tong + Hawk Eye and all the poison morphs of bow abilities used to give good ranged stamina DPS. Pricey, but always available at your nearest guild trader. But with no VR16 versions of those, now you really have to have Sheer Venom + Molag Kena. And farming those can take forever. Being a Khajiit Nightblade helps, too. That combo gives you high crit (good because no crit bonuses on Sheer Venom, Moleg Kena, or Agility) and the sustain necessary to keep Molag Kena up. Also, 5 Sheer Venom + 2 Molag Kena + 3 Agility leaves you with 1 open slot. So you need a Maelstrom Bow if you don't want to miss out on a set bonus. And that is yet another rough farming grind.

In other words, PvE Bow DPS can be quite good, but it takes some very specialized builds. Whereas Destro Staff can do very good DPS with much easier to acquire gear and builds. Helped by the fact that there are better ranged non-weapon magicka DPS skills to complement Destro Staff. Non-weapon ranged stamina DPS skills are few and far between. You are just about completely dependent on Bow for all your DPS in a way you are not completely dependent on Destro Staff for all your DPS.

The single best DPS I know in the game is a Bow build! It can definitely work. But he grinded and farmed the daylights out of vWGT, vICP, and vMSA to get there. Whereas ranged magicka builds I know are just slightly behind him despite being somebody's alt that they power-leveled to VR16 a few days ago.