How to Gank the ganker?

Curtdogg47 · February 2016

Since I'm spending a lot of time in IC sewers lately collecting Stones and trophies for those dam agility rings. I'm trying to respec my stamina nightblade so that I stand a chance to take down the would be ganker! If anyone has a good suggestion on skills to use I'd appreciate. I prefer to use stamina based skills but I'm open to all suggestions. Currently I use bow and DW. I have a nice PVE setup for sure. But it's no secret that PVP is a different animal. My bow is used mainly for my opening attack on mobs from stealth. Then I go DW to finish them off. So I'm thinking what could I add to my DW bar to aid in PVP combat. Since 99% of the time I have my swords out when I get ganked. I'm very much a noob to PVP combat And trying to get a handle on it so I'm not an easy target!!

aLi3nZ · February 2016

Dw two handed wrecking blow rally vigor ambush surprise attack.

NateAssassin · February 2016

aLi3nZ wrote: »

Dw two handed wrecking blow rally vigor ambush surprise attack.

Forgot steel tornado and cloak

Tryxus · February 2016

Try 2H + Bow

You kinda need Rally for PvP. Scratch that, you MUST have Rally for PvP. Try to rank up in AvA so can unlock Vigor, so you have an extra heal ready.

Against enemy NB, Piercing Mark is gonna be your best friend. Keep a Detect Pot at the rdy too: if you fail to mark, or you know there's a NB nearby, drink a potion and then hit them with Mark

Caltrops and Bombard are good skills against enemy NB too.

Many NB are Vamps too for the sneak speed bonus, so keep Camoflaged Hunter and Flawless Dawnbreaker ready.

Curtdogg47 · February 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

Try 2H + Bow

You kinda need Rally for PvP. Scratch that, you MUST have Rally for PvP. Try to rank up in AvA so can unlock Vigor, so you have an extra heal ready.

Against enemy NB, Piercing Mark is gonna be your best friend. Keep a Detect Pot at the rdy too: if you fail to mark, or you know there's a NB nearby, drink a potion and then hit them with Mark

Caltrops and Bombard are good skills against enemy NB too.

Many NB are Vamps too for the sneak speed bonus, so keep Camoflaged Hunter and Flawless Dawnbreaker ready.

Thank you
I'll give two hand a try. I think I have it at level 25. So won't take to long to max it. Also if you don't mind me asking, is there a sequence of moves with two hand that works well? I usually get hit from stealth and then panic and go crazy button mashing! And I die. There's no time to think in PVP like PVE.

TheShadowScout · February 2016

Counterganking depends on two things - surviving the gank, and not allowing them to try again.

Break your stun, and have some heals and defensives ready for former. Vigor is good. Fear is good too. Any stun or CC can be very useful as well.

Have mark or detect potions ready for latter, Caltrops will also -really- ruin a nightblades day if they expect to cloak and try a second backstab.
Magelight is pretty nifty in messing up any sneak attackers as well, both pre- and post-gank, and gonne get buffed soon from what one hears.

And as has been said, 2H is the current weapon of choice. Spam WB, do massive damage AND a CC, what's not to love there? Also you get a finisher, a gap closer and a selfheal... not to mention a cheap shielding AoE attack...I sometimes wonder why I still use twin daggers on my NB, but then I remember I do that for flavor reasons, and keep at it for those.

Alucardo · February 2016

Throw down caltrops around the area you're fighting mobs. That will stop any surprise attacks from stealthed players at least. Just... be careful to move them when a sweeper comes. I learned that the hard way.

Xellos77 · February 2016

Curtdogg47 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Try 2H + Bow

You kinda need Rally for PvP. Scratch that, you MUST have Rally for PvP. Try to rank up in AvA so can unlock Vigor, so you have an extra heal ready.

Against enemy NB, Piercing Mark is gonna be your best friend. Keep a Detect Pot at the rdy too: if you fail to mark, or you know there's a NB nearby, drink a potion and then hit them with Mark

Caltrops and Bombard are good skills against enemy NB too.

Many NB are Vamps too for the sneak speed bonus, so keep Camoflaged Hunter and Flawless Dawnbreaker ready.

Thank you
I'll give two hand a try. I think I have it at level 25. So won't take to long to max it. Also if you don't mind me asking, is there a sequence of moves with two hand that works well? I usually get hit from stealth and then panic and go crazy button mashing! And I die. There's no time to think in PVP like PVE.

Button mashing will lead to death 100% of the time. The best thing you can do is understand that in PvP you will die. A lot, since you are new to it. Practice. Get to know what standard usage of skills are and understand the counters to these. Use Google. Read up on skills.

These folks offer good advice. Vigor, Rally.. just remember that any noob can spam Wrecking Blow. If you want to get good.. it's like anything else. Practice and knowledge.

2-H/Bow is a good start. CC is very useful. Burst damage. Get-away abilities. Cloak detection (pots, Magelight, etc).

Oldmanlawlor · February 2016

In 99/100 cases im awful at PVP. But last night, I wrecked three players at the same time. They were trying to pick off my group and I came up behind them. I marked one so I could even see him communicating with his team to look for me. So I ambushed, light attacked, steel tornado and vanished. The light attack proc'd the nerieth bomb thing then I repeated it and killed the first guy and the other two were on 3/4 health, so I used my ulti and snared them and I steel tornado'd them to death, proc'ing briar thorns and nerieth bomb.

I was Incredibly proud of myself for it. I like to think I ganked the gankers.

strikeback1247 · February 2016

Use DW heavy attack + camo hunter to oneshot mobs without leaving stealth. This technique allowed me to clear mobs without ever leaving sneak

Sunburnt_Penguin · February 2016

In the Sewers it may be best to run 2x 2H:

1. Utility bar (running around):
Rally
Mass Hysteria
Cloak
Mark
Double Take

2. Fighting Bar
Ambush
Wrecking Blow/Surprise Attack
Reverse Slice (personally I prefer this over the Assassination execute due to proc'ing at 50% health and I selected this over the other morph as the AoE is okay for PvE)
Cloak
Camo Hunter

If you get jumped by one person who you think you can down then do this rotation:
1.
Mass Hysteria
Mark
Rally
Cloak
2.
Camo H (as they're likely to be either Vamp or Werewolf (passive required for WW))
Ambush
Cloak
WB/SA (previous 3 with dodge-rolling thrown in until 50% health)
Reverse Slice and Ambush until dead

If you get jumped by multiple people and/or think you'll lose:
1.
Mass Hysteria
Cloak
Double Take (allows 40% extra speed while in stealth) and leg it.

Knootewoot · February 2016

For ganking a ganker you need:

Detection potions (other anti stealh stuff give you away also)

For the rest, when you see him, just attack.

Sausage · February 2016

Most Gankers are the best players in the game, thats something to keep in mind.

HaldaAinur · February 2016

Sausage wrote: »

Most Gankers are the best players in the game, thats something to keep in mind.

Agreed, hate them all you want but decent ganking requires a decent level and amount of skills.

danno8 · February 2016

Problem in IC is even if you kill the guy, he/she are just back at the same spot in 15 seconds.

In any event, detect+immovable potions will prevent stealth and being feared, the NB two strongest ganking skills. After popping that particular potion combo even my Templar will kill 99% of NB gankers.

Curtdogg47 · February 2016

Thank you everyone I appreciate all the info , lot of good tips I can work into game play. I don't mind the gankers to much, they add a level of excitement to wondering the sewers. They are Annoying sometimes, but learning to counter them, I'm looking forward to the challenge!!

jarrandub17_ESO · February 2016

I also recommend picking up two sets of armor if they annoy you too great lengths. Go buy the "Sentry Set" off of traders (can get pretty cheap) and then go buy the shield breaker set with your TV stones. If a magicka NB won't leave you alnoe throw on the Sentry set and it's lights out baby. If a magicka sorc is being a pest, then just equip the shield breaker set and say goodnight.

Lightninvash · February 2016

2 words Radiant Magelight

lets you see stealthed players and hidden ones in an area(so no running away if you chase them in stealth) prevents you from being stunned from stealth and you take 56% less dmg from stealth attacks. at the price of only having 95% max magicka. I use on both bars so it doesn't go away. and always have on in pvp

rfennell_ESO · February 2016

As a no good pos ganker I'll give you some advice.

1-Don't be alone, single targets are the easiest targets.

2-If it's a nightblade ganking you, get piercing mark on them asap.

3-if you aren't alone and are the focus, go full defensive and dodge roll, block or whatever until they switch. Forcing the ganker to switch targets is the worst thing a ganker can have to do.

4-Use radiant magelight.

5-Be aware of respawn locations versus your current location. If you are angry at gankers for ganking you, but meanwhile are grinding mobs 20 feet from their entry point to that zone... you are asking to be ganked. Furthermore, killing a ganker who is just going to respawn, jump down and re-enter combat with you is to the ganker's favor.

No particular order really... but 1 and 4 are pretty much the most important.

So you know, a ranged heavy attack with bow from behind you will take away half your health or so and stun you.

Kryank · February 2016

A ganker will destroy you if you are running a glass cannon build, but the best tips I can give are break the initial ambush cc and roll dodge, then you have a few seconds of immunity when that has nearly gone use an immovable pot, I use health, primary stat and immovable. That gives you 15 seconds to attack whilst being cc immune you need to hit him hard then put on a lot of pressure he will either die, run or stand toe to toe, if you can see that your damage won't kill him, now is your chance to fear, dodge roll shuffle and cloak and get out of there.

Build and gear can help but these tips above will help fo anyone.

Curtdogg47 · February 2016

It's nice to have a good community. Where people offer great advice and everything said here so far I think is really going to help a noob like me L2P better! I keep checking this to see what more people have to say!

Takes-No-Prisoner · February 2016

Curtdogg47 wrote: »

Since I'm spending a lot of time in IC sewers...

If your constantly alone, try stalking other members of your alliance. Or be in a party with them getting the stones, and you in stealth being the 'Watch Dog'. Whenever I am alone, I stalk other members of my alliance just for a chance to jump would-be gankers. It is a ton of fun.

Last time I was there on my Templar. I was following a DK all by his lone some self, when a blue got himself uncloaked by a enemy mob. Unbeknownst to him, I was watching him approach the DK and I instantly went into attack mode when the blue jumped the DK. By then I was already on top of the blue. His blue friend popped out of stealth on to the DK and I assisted the DK with heals til they both died from the two of us.

Tavore1138 · February 2016

LOL, as one who both ganks and get ganks the one thing I have learned is that even after playing for nearly 2 years there are times when I am jumped and the link between brain and hands just fails me - I'll be mashing my 5 key and wondering why fear isn't working and then realising that I accidentally weapon swapped in the panic and I'm actually trying to beat them off with a well timed toggle of siphoning strikes... that's about the point my recap appears...

In PvE you can learn mechanics and rotations but in PvP sometimes people just catch you offguard... and frankly some people just have better reflexes etc.

There is a lot of good advice on this thread to which I will add that a well time Veil coupled with Caltrops around you can do enough to both damage an attacker and keep them visible that you have time to get your head in the game, then a Health/Stam/Immovable pot to give you the resources to fight it out but ultimately if you go into PvP just accept that dying will happen, probably a lot of it

Lexxypwns · February 2016

Just run piercing mark on your dw bar and bombard on your bow bar. If you have caltrops that'll help as well. Impen on gear and resistant CP are crucial to surviving gankers imo, since its stealth crits that put you in an off-balanced position and make it harder to recover, plus its a net DPS loss overall for your attacker.

Immovable pots help as well, its hard to burst anyone down who has CC immunity, plus it stop your opponent from using a CC to interrupt your burst

When you get ganked, immediately CC break, Vigor cancelled by a dodge roll, cloak, mark, then go offensive, pop your immovable pot when your CC immunity ends. Running 2h so you get access to Rally will help your tankiness as well, you'll have to lose out on either DW or bow though.

Xeniph · February 2016

There is a lot of good solid information here. But also as a dirty ganker myself I'll give you some tips.

1) Impenetrable- Use this on all 7 pieces when you are in pvp.

2) Radiant Magelight- Great ability, and contrary to what most people think, you only need it on one bar. Just get in the habbit of using it after buffing/pulling.

3) Potions- Detect potions work nicely as everyone has said.

4) Caltrops- Though it won't stop an ambush from getting the sneak bonus, it does make things more difficult for them.

5) Keybind your CC break- Do NOT use the default CC break keys, they are terrible compared to a single key ( It's called bash in the controls section)

6) You need Vigor/Rally as a Stam pvper, unless you are grouping with healers.

Now, I have been a ganker for nearly 20 years. The majority of the gank is in the opening. If you can survive that, it really is a 50/50. CC breaking quickly is KEY, as is an immediate Cloak (if you are a NB) to heal up, mark and reposition.

Now with all this said, if a ganker is bothering you, nine times outa 10 your pve session in IC is done for the time being. He won't stop unless you have no stones and if you manage to beat him, he'll come back due to wounded pride. It's really best to move on for a time.

Lexxypwns · February 2016

Xeniph wrote: »

There is a lot of good solid information here. But also as a dirty ganker myself I'll give you some tips.

1) Impenetrable- Use this on all 7 pieces when you are in pvp.

2) Radiant Magelight- Great ability, and contrary to what most people think, you only need it on one bar. Just get in the habbit of using it after buffing/pulling.

3) Potions- Detect potions work nicely as everyone has said.

4) Caltrops- Though it won't stop an ambush from getting the sneak bonus, it does make things more difficult for them.

5) Keybind your CC break- Do NOT use the default CC break keys, they are terrible compared to a single key ( It's called bash in the controls section)

6) You need Vigor/Rally as a Stam pvper, unless you are grouping with healers.

Now, I have been a ganker for nearly 20 years. The majority of the gank is in the opening. If you can survive that, it really is a 50/50. CC breaking quickly is KEY, as is an immediate Cloak (if you are a NB) to heal up, mark and reposition.

Now with all this said, if a ganker is bothering you, nine times outa 10 your pve session in IC is done for the time being. He won't stop unless you have no stones and if you manage to beat him, he'll come back due to wounded pride. It's really best to move on for a time.

I'd say you're far over estimating the gankers chances if you survive his initial burst. If you're properly built and can survive the burst and immediately go offensive you're at a distinct advantage because he's already given you free CC immunity which gives you a guaranteed burst window, couple that with an immovable pot and 9/10 times you'll trash the ganker, since most of them aren't built to survive 15 seconds of pressure.

Didgerion · February 2016

Curtdogg47 wrote: »

Since I'm spending a lot of time in IC sewers lately collecting Stones and trophies for those dam agility rings. I'm trying to respec my stamina nightblade so that I stand a chance to take down the would be ganker! If anyone has a good suggestion on skills to use I'd appreciate. I prefer to use stamina based skills but I'm open to all suggestions. Currently I use bow and DW. I have a nice PVE setup for sure. But it's no secret that PVP is a different animal. My bow is used mainly for my opening attack on mobs from stealth. Then I go DW to finish them off. So I'm thinking what could I add to my DW bar to aid in PVP combat. Since 99% of the time I have my swords out when I get ganked. I'm very much a noob to PVP combat And trying to get a handle on it so I'm not an easy target!!

There is nothing you can really do.
Most ganks will always have advantages over you:
1. they will open an attack from stealth
2. their gear is well optimized for bursting players down quickly
3. many of them are good at ganking
4. sometimes they are accompanied

While you:
1. are engaged in a mob grind with depleted resources.
2. wear random or pve gear
3. your gear is broken

Here are your options:
1. if you have a lot of stone on you then roll dodge and charge into mobs as many of them as possible
2. if you don't mind loosing the stones then try to fight back....it is a pvp experience that might come handy.
3. don't run - you become an easy target if you do...just pick one of the above options.

And yeah wear cheap gear dropped from mobs while farming - and replace it when broken - it will save you ton of gold....the set gear will not really save you against ganking but costs a lot of gold to repair it.

I hope ZOS will review all this Telvar Stones thievery....the design is missing the punishment part - there is no risk involved being a thieve.

I believe that tel-var stones thievery is the main reason why IC is empty today @ZOS_BrianWheeler.

Resipsa131 · February 2016

Surviving the stun and breaking out of the CC is the most important thing. Once you do that don't run, they'll use cripple and run you down. Depending on your build conserve your resources and then put pressure on them, use abilities to break them out of cloak like piercing mark. You'll win that fight

Curtdogg47 · February 2016

I like this idea, and that is what I am looking to do in the sewers as I get myself in a better setup from using all the great info shared here . Going to have to cook up some of these potions tonight.

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Curtdogg47 wrote: »

Since I'm spending a lot of time in IC sewers...

If your constantly alone, try stalking other members of your alliance. Or be in a party with them getting the stones, and you in stealth being the 'Watch Dog'. Whenever I am alone, I stalk other members of my alliance just for a chance to jump would-be gankers. It is a ton of fun.

Last time I was there on my Templar. I was following a DK all by his lone some self, when a blue got himself uncloaked by a enemy mob. Unbeknownst to him, I was watching him approach the DK and I instantly went into attack mode when the blue jumped the DK. By then I was already on top of the blue. His blue friend popped out of stealth on to the DK and I assisted the DK with heals til they both died from the two of us.

Curtdogg47 · February 2016

I got keep giving you guys props for all the tips. Nothing like spending my day at work planning out my night in ESO!

altemriel · February 2016

Curtdogg47 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Try 2H + Bow

You kinda need Rally for PvP. Scratch that, you MUST have Rally for PvP. Try to rank up in AvA so can unlock Vigor, so you have an extra heal ready.

Against enemy NB, Piercing Mark is gonna be your best friend. Keep a Detect Pot at the rdy too: if you fail to mark, or you know there's a NB nearby, drink a potion and then hit them with Mark

Caltrops and Bombard are good skills against enemy NB too.

Many NB are Vamps too for the sneak speed bonus, so keep Camoflaged Hunter and Flawless Dawnbreaker ready.

Thank you
I'll give two hand a try. I think I have it at level 25. So won't take to long to max it. Also if you don't mind me asking, is there a sequence of moves with two hand that works well? I usually get hit from stealth and then panic and go crazy button mashing! And I die. There's no time to think in PVP like PVE.

yes, in PVP one has to be much faster and much experienced than for PVE

, I also usually die in PVP in 1 - 2 seconds

for 2H a good combo of skills is for example, stampede (or critical rush) + some dot, WB, WB, Executioner