VMSA set drop rate

Baconlad · February 2016

so I have been grinding in VMSA for specifically the permafrost rings....and let me tell you, after running it roughly 15 times (not to completion mind you ;P ) I stopped and did some basic math, and even though my numbers are no where near perfect (taking into account all the different traits, sets, set pieces) I have come to the conclusion that I will NEVER get my permafrost rings...now I understand zenimax's decision to force us into the content, and i'm not complaining about running it, but the sheer amount of times I will have run it for the rings. I'm willing to bet that a set of permfrost in v16 (with three jewels all healthy) is the most rare thing to see on a character in game (or any of the sets that drop there). now if these sets were OMG amazing....i could kinda see their importance of being so difficult to get. two things are really bugging me about it, and i would like to see one or both done by zenimax. first thing is that all the sets are BOP...yes...another BOP complaint go figure (glad to see they are not doing this in TG update =D ). turning the sets into BOE and not changing the droprate would suffice, it would allow some players to make some gold from selling these super rare "niche" sets, would also allow peeps to be able to get there hands on them...second option is to change the dropprate to guarantee a set piece from one of the six with EVERY chest opened in VMSA. i mean at the end of the day, if i grind VMSA every night for four hours opening chests for the next month...i MAY have all my pieces. but in doing so i pretty much lose opportunity to take part in ANY content in game. now i am the kind of player who likes to "ENJOY" his gear. i do not like the idea of spending 1 month grinding for a set, when every other set in game i can obtain in a couple weeks max.

so in conclusion i would like to see the "imperial city" treatment done to VMSA, and make a BIT easier to get the sets. @Gina can we please get a little bit of help on this idea? it's NOT like it would hard to implement, could do it before TG update if you wanted thanks for listening!

Nifty2g · February 2016

they only drop from round 8 and 9 along with weapons and armor. gud luk

CP5 · February 2016

Come on, don't you like all of the well-fitted boots? I sure love my well-fitted boots!

(for the record 2 of every 5 chest from that bloody place is well fitted, and a vast majority of those have been boots. but hey, who doesn't like a senseless grind)

Baconlad · February 2016

they accually ALL drop from the first chest in Veteran MSA.

Vaoh · February 2016

@Baconlad Completely agree. Welcome to the club! I have grinded Normal Maelstrom enough to get copies of every set piece in almost every trait. 60+ runs. Unbelievable, but I have gotten 4 amulets (Succession, Hunt, Winterborn, Glory) and 1 ring(Hunt) all incorrect traits. I used to want Winterborn rings.....

Anyway, you should really give up and go use the easy to obtain Willpower/Endurance/Agility jewelry which is all V16 Purple and Best in Slot. Ridiculous but true.

I could go on for hours about how much I feel ZOS screwed us here, but hey! I didn't waste any time thinking there was a chance or anything at getting viable Maelstrom jewelry, right?

Long story short: You will never get your Permafrost rings from Maelstrom Arena. Sorry man, truth hurts. No sign of ZOS caring about this issue from the patch notes either.

Jura23 · February 2016

Its really hard to understand what ZOS is trying to do here. Why waste all the work put into designing those sets if almost nobody can realistically use them? Its not really about us, its ZOS who are shooting themselves in the foot with this approach.

Baconlad · February 2016

Yes the sets are for the most part sub par. I would say that they can be effective, but they are VERY niche, only being effective with a certain class and certain type of playstyle. The problem isn't the question of viability, but the fact they are So hard to obtain.

LadyNalcarya · February 2016

I personally dont understand why I'm getting stuff like "robust ring of permafrost", 100 gold and 1 soul gem from the last boss of the arena. This is just cruel.

Seido_Tensei_ · February 2016

Baconlad wrote: »

so I have been grinding in VMSA for specifically the permafrost rings....and let me tell you, after running it roughly 15 times (not to completion mind you ;P ) I stopped and did some basic math, and even though my numbers are no where near perfect (taking into account all the different traits, sets, set pieces) I have come to the conclusion that I will NEVER get my permafrost rings...now I understand zenimax's decision to force us into the content, and i'm not complaining about running it, but the sheer amount of times I will have run it for the rings. I'm willing to bet that a set of permfrost in v16 (with three jewels all healthy) is the most rare thing to see on a character in game (or any of the sets that drop there). now if these sets were OMG amazing....i could kinda see their importance of being so difficult to get. two things are really bugging me about it, and i would like to see one or both done by zenimax. first thing is that all the sets are BOP...yes...another BOP complaint go figure (glad to see they are not doing this in TG update =D ). turning the sets into BOE and not changing the droprate would suffice, it would allow some players to make some gold from selling these super rare "niche" sets, would also allow peeps to be able to get there hands on them...second option is to change the dropprate to guarantee a set piece from one of the six with EVERY chest opened in VMSA. i mean at the end of the day, if i grind VMSA every night for four hours opening chests for the next month...i MAY have all my pieces. but in doing so i pretty much lose opportunity to take part in ANY content in game. now i am the kind of player who likes to "ENJOY" his gear. i do not like the idea of spending 1 month grinding for a set, when every other set in game i can obtain in a couple weeks max.

so in conclusion i would like to see the "imperial city" treatment done to VMSA, and make a BIT easier to get the sets. @Gina can we please get a little bit of help on this idea? it's NOT like it would hard to implement, could do it before TG update if you wanted thanks for listening!

This is another "nurf rng" thread. It has nothing to do with vMSA. I have only completed the arena a handful of times and have 2 rings of permafrost, a full jewelry set of the hunt leader and succession (gold succession necklace) from back when the leader boards could give jewelry or weapons. If you want to blame someone, blame all the people who complained about not getting weapons from the leader board reward and ZOS for making maelstrom weapon drops 100%. Otherwise I tend to get a ring from round 9 more often then getting a weapon. If you boost jewelry drops then people who cant make it to the leader board have an even smaller chance of getting a weapon. Not saying its a big deal (I have my weapons as well) but there could be some grinding the arena right now that would not appreciate the change.

Baconlad · February 2016

What? Why would ANYONE not appreciate the change? I'm not talking about maelstrom weapons, I'm talking about the six sets. You ran vmsa a few times? What's your definition of running it a "few times". I have opened 20-25 vmsa chests. Been doing them for four days, four to five chests a night over two hours. I have gotten TWO pieces of these sets. Do the math. There are ALOT of pieces competing for a drop in these chests. 60 pieces. You have a one in 60 chance to get the piece you need. THAT DOESNT INCLUDE ALL THE TRAIT ON THESE SETS. It three times worse than undaunted shoulders. You sound like just another elitist "jerk" who thinks that no one else should have a set they want because they don't have the time to grind for 12 hours a day the same content untill they get their gear. Who the hell has the time for that? Why should I not be allowed to grind for my gear over two-three weeks and enjoy my gear? Why must I be forced to do a solo grind for potentially months at a time for a five piece set? At the end of the day I could open 200 chests and never find a perma ring healthy. Now let me ask you, seeing as you have so much time to grind vmsa, have you gotten ONE piece of gear you were looking for in vmsa? Not including maelstrom weps as they are not part of this topic. I doubt you have, therefore the rings you have gotten don't matter if they are not the set your looking for, they may as well have been non set purple items for vender sell.

Baconlad · February 2016

Also on a side note. I am not talking about the last chest, I'm talking about ALL the chests. They ALL should drop a set piece 100% of the time, and the last chest should drop a set piece and a maelstrom weapon.

LadyNalcarya · February 2016

Seido_Tensei_ wrote: »

Not saying its a big deal (I have my weapons as well)

Ah, this perfectly describes those blessed by RNGesus.

Seido_Tensei_ · February 2016

Baconlad wrote: »

What? Why would ANYONE not appreciate the change? I'm not talking about maelstrom weapons, I'm talking about the six sets. You ran vmsa a few times? What's your definition of running it a "few times". I have opened 20-25 vmsa chests. Been doing them for four days, four to five chests a night over two hours. I have gotten TWO pieces of these sets. Do the math. There are ALOT of pieces competing for a drop in these chests. 60 pieces. You have a one in 60 chance to get the piece you need. THAT DOESNT INCLUDE ALL THE TRAIT ON THESE SETS. It three times worse than undaunted shoulders. You sound like just another elitist "jerk" who thinks that no one else should have a set they want because they don't have the time to grind for 12 hours a day the same content untill they get their gear. Who the hell has the time for that? Why should I not be allowed to grind for my gear over two-three weeks and enjoy my gear? Why must I be forced to do a solo grind for potentially months at a time for a five piece set? At the end of the day I could open 200 chests and never find a perma ring healthy. Now let me ask you, seeing as you have so much time to grind vmsa, have you gotten ONE piece of gear you were looking for in vmsa? Not including maelstrom weps as they are not part of this topic. I doubt you have, therefore the rings you have gotten don't matter if they are not the set your looking for, they may as well have been non set purple items for vender sell.

Baconlad wrote: »

Also on a side note. I am not talking about the last chest, I'm talking about ALL the chests. They ALL should drop a set piece 100% of the time, and the last chest should drop a set piece and a maelstrom weapon.

The chests do drop set pieces at a very high rate, not sure anyone can argue that. It may not be 100% but every chest has a chance to drop a set piece. But that is not what you want....you want the jewelry so not sure what you are asking for. I have run the arena roughly 10 times to completion (so close to 100 chests) Almost every single round 9 I have gotten a piece of jewelry. Last 2 weeks from the leader board I received maelstrom weapons with the traits that I desire. Before that I got jewelry 2 straight weeks. Don't call me an "elitist" because I brought up that there are many reasons to farm the arena (weapons probably being the most important) and by lowering the drop chance for a weapon on round 9 would really suck for people who do not do well enough to receive a leader board reward. If round 9 chest dropped a guaranteed weapon + set piece, the weapons would be far to easy to farm.

I think the bigger issue is that you are either farming early rounds expecting to get the drops or the arena is still challenging and it takes you awhile to get to later rounds. Either way, once you are able to comfortable complete the arena, the sets are not very hard to get AT ALL. I am still waiting for a 2H Maul/sharpened, but until then I survive with the GS/Sharpened and 2HAxe/Sharpened. Sure my sets are not perfect traits but most of them are divines with 1 or 2 pieces of impen. I ran vMSA for 5 weeks before getting my first 2H, so I really don't understand what you are complaining about. My friend ran vMSA 1 time with a score of 189 and got the 2H Maul/Sharpened from the box. RNG is RNG, you are not the first one to complain, but you join all the ranks of care bears that have. Don't mess with the drops, it could screw other people over. Like the dude who actually wanted gold jewelry before they nerfed the drop from vMSA leader board rewards. Now that dude will forever be without his gold necklace, all because people wanted to complain instead of finishing the content.

Seido_Tensei_ · February 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Seido_Tensei_ wrote: »

Not saying its a big deal (I have my weapons as well)

Ah, this perfectly describes those blessed by RNGesus.

After you complete the arena 10-12 times to completion I assure you, that you will have something you wanted. I don't have everything I want but enough to feel it was worth it. Not blessed by anything, still waiting on my 2h Maul and Kena helm and engine guardian and do the content for them every day.

LadyNalcarya · February 2016

Seido_Tensei_ wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Seido_Tensei_ wrote: »

Not saying its a big deal (I have my weapons as well)

Ah, this perfectly describes those blessed by RNGesus.

After you complete the arena 10-12 times to completion I assure you, that you will have something you wanted. I don't have everything I want but enough to feel it was worth it. Not blessed by anything, still waiting on my 2h Maul and Kena helm and engine guardian and do the content for them every day.

If only...
I have awful drop rate for things I need for some reason.
And the only remotely useful thing I got from vMA is sharpened bow.
In any case, imo, there shouldnt be 100% fail runs (when you only getting well-fitted crap and a useless ring at the end).

Xjcon · February 2016

The key to getting all the jewelry you could ever want is.....wait for it..... Try to grind for a specific weapon.

Zyle · February 2016

I've run it about 50 times now and here are my results:

14 Maelstrom Weapons (3x from weekly)

Glory Set - 7/7 armor pieces, 1 necklace, 1 ring
Permafrost Set - 7/7 armor pieces, 1 ring
Hunt Set - 7/7 armor pieces, 2 rings
Para Bellum - 5/7 armor pieces, 3 rings, 1 necklace
Succession - 7/7 armor, 1 necklace
Winterborn - 7/7 armor, 1 necklace, 1 ring.

Still need 2 para bellum pieces, 2 necklaces & 7 rings. I'm averaging 1 piece of jewelry every 2-3 runs right now.

Let's not talk about traits though

Oreyn_Bearclaw · February 2016

I will be the first to stand up and yell about how bad RNG sucks, but the jewelry is rare. You are not going to get it without completing the arena, and that part i am perfectly okay with. What you are doing is not an effective grind. My advice is focus on getting clears first then worry about gear. It's a weak position to argue from when you are mad about not getting gear from a piece of content that you seem to only be running about halfway through.

Seido_Tensei_ · February 2016

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

I've run it about 50 times now and here are my results:

14 Maelstrom Weapons (3x from weekly)

Glory Set - 7/7 armor pieces, 1 necklace, 1 ring
Permafrost Set - 7/7 armor pieces, 1 ring
Hunt Set - 7/7 armor pieces, 2 rings
Para Bellum - 5/7 armor pieces, 3 rings, 1 necklace
Succession - 7/7 armor, 1 necklace
Winterborn - 7/7 armor, 1 necklace, 1 ring.

Still need 2 para bellum pieces, 2 necklaces & 7 rings. I'm averaging 1 piece of jewelry every 2-3 runs right now.

Let's not talk about traits though

Now this is a grind. If someone had 50 completes and didn't have a single complete set then there might be an issue. Best of luck getting your gear.

Waffennacht · February 2016

I would give you my perma frost if it wasn't bound

Oh and things drop?

IamNoobee · February 2016

ive been doing roughly 1 complete run a day for over a month and have obtained every armor and jewelry piece from all 6 sets with perfect traits. i also have all but one maelstrom weapon, in every trait. that one weapons just happens to be the weapon ive wanted from the get go and the main reason i ever started to farm it. sharpened inferno staff

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its possible just keep at it.<---lol

Baconlad · February 2016

I think a few of posters are slightly misunderstanding my position. I stated above that I "DO NOT" have the time for 50 plus full clears of VMSA. For them to lock the best weapons behind a wall of solo mastery in a game where group mastery is king (talking about pve here), that was a BAD call on them. Also, I am not complaining about maelstrom weapons as the original complaint, I have accepted that I will never get the weapons. That only bothers me mildly. For my build, I require permafrost, there is no way around it, unless I change my build idea, which I do NOT want to do. The sets are not that great, for very specific builds yes they are the best, but 98% of the player base has said "oh new maelstrom sets look like crap, no thank decon!". So why has zos decided that these sets cannot be BOE? Who knows, why has zos decided they would have a drop rate equivalent to BOE when they are BOP, who knows. Its bad though. What I do know is that 50 clears of VMSA is a every night dedication, of at least three months for me. And that doesn't even promise that I will get the gear I need. All I am asking for is to maybe require ten complete runs, be able to buy from guild stores the remaining pieces I need, or be able to pick the gear up from a chest ALL the time, not on only the last two chests or whatever the *** it is now. I do not enjoy dropping my PVP, my undaunted runs, and my friends and wife in order to grind for such a niche piece of gear. In Imperial City, they decreased the cost for the vender sets purchased by telvar stones, it was a good move, people actually started wearing the sets because they could afford them easier. I can grind out the stones necessary in about a week playing two hours a night, in order to buy one set. Is huntmaster or permafrost or glory better then the black rose and shieldbreaker? Absolutely not, the time to aquire vmsa sets should roughly equal the time to aquire an imperial city set, that is ALL I'm asking for, don't care which route they go, ill even dedicate two whole weeks every night just to get my set. There is NO five piece set currently in game as hard to get set aside maybe trials gear and WGT drops. BOTTOM LINE is that the random number generator *** is FUBARed. For you to come in here say "l2p, run it 20 times, maybe you'll get 1 piece of jewelry" is ridiculous. I've never been able to complete the damn thing, try as I might, its damn near impossible to complete for 90% of us. Get over yourself seido-tensei, I'm glad you have the time and patience to do this *** place 20 times, but you are one in a VERY small few. It frustrating to hear that you enjoy the single player arena so much in an mmo. Then to hear you say you agree with an absolutely unnecessary grind in that solo content for group gear. Call me a care bear because i don't want to grind for three months? *** you

LadyNalcarya · February 2016

Baconlad wrote: »

I think a few of posters are slightly misunderstanding my position. I stated above that I "DO NOT" have the time for 50 plus full clears of VMSA. For them to lock the best weapons behind a wall of solo mastery in a game where group mastery is king (talking about pve here), that was a BAD call on them. Also, I am not complaining about maelstrom weapons as the original complaint, I have accepted that I will never get the weapons. That only bothers me mildly. For my build, I require permafrost, there is no way around it, unless I change my build idea, which I do NOT want to do. The sets are not that great, for very specific builds yes they are the best, but 98% of the player base has said "oh new maelstrom sets look like crap, no thank decon!". So why has zos decided that these sets cannot be BOE? Who knows, why has zos decided they would have a drop rate equivalent to BOE when they are BOP, who knows. Its bad though. What I do know is that 50 clears of VMSA is a every night dedication, of at least three months for me. And that doesn't even promise that I will get the gear I need. All I am asking for is to maybe require ten complete runs, be able to buy from guild stores the remaining pieces I need, or be able to pick the gear up from a chest ALL the time, not on only the last two chests or whatever the *** it is now. I do not enjoy dropping my PVP, my undaunted runs, and my friends and wife in order to grind for such a niche piece of gear. In Imperial City, they decreased the cost for the vender sets purchased by telvar stones, it was a good move, people actually started wearing the sets because they could afford them easier. I can grind out the stones necessary in about a week playing two hours a night, in order to buy one set. Is huntmaster or permafrost or glory better then the black rose and shieldbreaker? Absolutely not, the time to aquire vmsa sets should roughly equal the time to aquire an imperial city set, that is ALL I'm asking for, don't care which route they go, ill even dedicate two whole weeks every night just to get my set. There is NO five piece set currently in game as hard to get set aside maybe trials gear and WGT drops. BOTTOM LINE is that the random number generator *** is FUBARed. For you to come in here say "l2p, run it 20 times, maybe you'll get 1 piece of jewelry" is ridiculous. I've never been able to complete the damn thing, try as I might, its damn near impossible to complete for 90% of us. Get over yourself seido-tensei, I'm glad you have the time and patience to do this *** place 20 times, but you are one in a VERY small few. It frustrating to hear that you enjoy the single player arena so much in an mmo. Then to hear you say you agree with an absolutely unnecessary grind in that solo content for group gear. Call me a care bear because i don't want to grind for three months? *** you

I absolutely agree... I dont enjoy this solo arena at all, and bugs are killing all potential challenge (and tbh, the only "challenge here is your first run, when you're not familiar with the mechanics). But I want certain weapons for my build... And I'm getting useless set items. There's rng for getting a weapon, rng for getting certain type, then there's rng for getting a decent trait... Too much rng for my tastes.
This has nothing to do with l2p, even the best players spend around an hour per run, which is a lot when you know that you will probably only get a few rubedite ingots and maybe grain solvents.

eliisra · February 2016

Yes rng still sucks and totally kills the fun of the game for people. I know.

But this specific gear grind or vMA is way less frustrating than other ones. Compared to farming IC dungeons it's like free loot (200 runs to get Spellpower Cure set with crappy traits lol). Compared to certain of my still not obtained monster helms, it's a bundle of joy.

vMA pisses me of to. I also need to spend 4k every single time changing my CP and morphs prior to running it. But I can deal with all of it. I actually wish other gear grinds where more like vMA smile:

You dont need a group, find healer, non sucky dps or tank, to farm vMA.
You can do it whenever you want.
You can go afk whenever you want.
You cant fall asleep out of boredom while running it.

I get jewellery or weapon from last chest almost half the time. If you play templar(like me) or DK you always get a gold weapon every week just for completing.

Humatiel · February 2016

@Baconlad

Your completing half the environment and are raging about a bad reward? Let's put that into perspective shall we.
-half a dungeon = lower chance of monster set but still possible
-half a quest = lower reward if you turn it in early
-half a daily = less reward but still a reward given.

As you can see these are all laughably ludicrous ideas that are screaming carebear at me. I CANT DO IT BUT I WANT SOME REWARD BECAUSE I'M SPECIAL, this is an mmo and being an mmo you're expected to spend hundreds of hours playing it. If you are unable to or unwilling to then their are literally thousands of games with a more insta-reward based system out their (*cough* console).

Xeven · February 2016

If the jewelry does not have robust for stam sets or arcane for magicka sets then the jewelry is, wait for it...

GARBAGE.

I have 7/7 Succession in the traits that I want, and I will never go back for jewelry because I'm not, wait for it...

AN IDIOT.

Jewelry needs to drop in all chests before I will ever go back.

Seido_Tensei_ · February 2016

Baconlad wrote: »

I think a few of posters are slightly misunderstanding my position. I stated above that I "DO NOT" have the time for 50 plus full clears of VMSA. For them to lock the best weapons behind a wall of solo mastery in a game where group mastery is king (talking about pve here), that was a BAD call on them. Also, I am not complaining about maelstrom weapons as the original complaint, I have accepted that I will never get the weapons. That only bothers me mildly. For my build, I require permafrost, there is no way around it, unless I change my build idea, which I do NOT want to do. The sets are not that great, for very specific builds yes they are the best, but 98% of the player base has said "oh new maelstrom sets look like crap, no thank decon!". So why has zos decided that these sets cannot be BOE? Who knows, why has zos decided they would have a drop rate equivalent to BOE when they are BOP, who knows. Its bad though. What I do know is that 50 clears of VMSA is a every night dedication, of at least three months for me. And that doesn't even promise that I will get the gear I need. All I am asking for is to maybe require ten complete runs, be able to buy from guild stores the remaining pieces I need, or be able to pick the gear up from a chest ALL the time, not on only the last two chests or whatever the *** it is now. I do not enjoy dropping my PVP, my undaunted runs, and my friends and wife in order to grind for such a niche piece of gear. In Imperial City, they decreased the cost for the vender sets purchased by telvar stones, it was a good move, people actually started wearing the sets because they could afford them easier. I can grind out the stones necessary in about a week playing two hours a night, in order to buy one set. Is huntmaster or permafrost or glory better then the black rose and shieldbreaker? Absolutely not, the time to aquire vmsa sets should roughly equal the time to aquire an imperial city set, that is ALL I'm asking for, don't care which route they go, ill even dedicate two whole weeks every night just to get my set. There is NO five piece set currently in game as hard to get set aside maybe trials gear and WGT drops. BOTTOM LINE is that the random number generator *** is FUBARed. For you to come in here say "l2p, run it 20 times, maybe you'll get 1 piece of jewelry" is ridiculous. I've never been able to complete the damn thing, try as I might, its damn near impossible to complete for 90% of us. Get over yourself seido-tensei, I'm glad you have the time and patience to do this *** place 20 times, but you are one in a VERY small few. It frustrating to hear that you enjoy the single player arena so much in an mmo. Then to hear you say you agree with an absolutely unnecessary grind in that solo content for group gear. Call me a care bear because i don't want to grind for three months? *** you

If you don't have time to do the clears then you do not deserve the set, simple as that. Everyone has already stated the vMSA gear grind is not an issue when you can reliably clear the arena. No one said "run it 20 times to get one ring" I said IF you run in 20 times you are guaranteed to have at least one item you are looking for.

BOE vs BOP would not make sense as people could buy the gear without completing the content. I don't think you understand that ZOS wants people to complete vMSA to enjoy the gear. Otherwise they would of included alternative means for the sets to drop. These are exclusive sets for the vMSA to give players a reason to complete the content.

@Baconlad I think you need to get over yourself. You are not entitled to permafrost in any way. Especially if you cannot complete the arena. People asked for solo content, they delivered vMSA. You may not agree with that decision but at least ZOS was transparent with their vision of creating "aspirational end game content". The same cannot be said for many other facets of the game. It took me several weeks not doing anything else in the game to beat the arena. Everyday I would give it a couple of hours and try to improve. I admit I ply a lot of ESO but the time dedication to the arena was a couple hours a day over several weeks max. So at best.....a casual schedule still allowed me to beat the arena. If you don't have time to even be bothered trying to complete it, then you do not deserve any of the gear, nor should you play this game. You and players like you are the reason the game is getting dumbed down to non existence.

Seido_Tensei_ · February 2016

I would just like to be clear that I do not think vMSA is easy nor was it fun during my initial runs. After practicing the arena and getting each stage down it is now very fun every time I choose to complete it. It is dynamic enough the each run is not the same, but static enough that once you figure out your optimal strategies it all come down to execution.

I feel vMSA made me a better player (though still scrubby) and completing it the first time was one of my all time greatest feelings in gaming. I want everyone to experience that sense of accomplishment and feel the game would be healthier with more polished players that would come from more people completing the arena. In PvP I see a feel a very real difference fighting those who have completed the arena vs those who have not. I am not referring to gear, but the responsiveness and control over character that these players display.

@Baconlad I apologize as I am not trying to bash you, I just want you to get better.

Baconlad · February 2016

Thank you tensei and my apologies foorr beiiiing an ***. I understand you lil the content, my problem is the absolut rarety of these sets as opposed to any similar content. Especially when you try to compare dragonstar veteran to maelstrom veteran. The difficulty of maelstrom in my opinion is very similar. I never cleared vet dragonstar despite many trials. I tried probably a total of twenty times. We got very close many times but myself or group mates were never quite good enough to complete it. I DO NOT have an issue with the difficulty, nor am I asking for a nerf to it (or vmsa). The sets that dropped from dragon star were BIS for healer and tanks, and in some cases that remains today even through them being v14. Very powerful sets that dropped often, sold well on marketplace, were locked into a specific trait, and there were only two sets competing for set drops. Fast forward to vmsa. The chances of being able to obtain a permafrost ring in healthy is DRASTICALLY low compared to vet dsa. The sets are NOT game BIS for even 90% of the tanking base, dps or heals, they do NOT drop the best trait only, and they are NOT tradable/ sellable...why? And why do we still have folks ignoring this? You say the game is more dumbed down? Based off my observations posted RIGHT HERE YOU ARE WRONG. they require more of a dedication and grind for than any content in the game aside from trials...and again...WHY ZOS?

Baconlad · February 2016

And please don't try to come in and say that because I can't complete vmsa I shouldn't get the sets, I would be satisfied with v15 healthy perma rings from Nmsa, and agian completing it is not the issue. I am not asking for a nerf to the difficulty, I like the fact that if one day I do complete it will get on the leader board as a temp

. I LOVE a challenge in this game, one of my favorite things to do in pve is challenge myself and a buddy to duo four man content. I'm ok with failing in ESO. What I'm complaining about is strictly THESE SETS, nothing else with how many traits there are available, how many sets you compete for, and how many different pieces drop, there is way too little chance to get a drop you need for a build. The only reason I think its not an issue for so many players, is that the sets are so niche, and 99% of players don't need them, there for not very many people WANT these sets at all and just decon them or vender them

LadyNalcarya · February 2016

Seido_Tensei_ wrote: »

Everyone has already stated the vMSA gear grind is not an issue when you can reliably clear the arena. No one said "run it 20 times to get one ring" I said IF you run in 20 times you are guaranteed to have at least one item you are looking for.

It is an issue (I can clear the arena and do that regularly).
And you're NOT guaranteed to get the item you want with a decent trait. So many people were complaining that they have everything except the item they needed after 20+ runs.
I started vMA recently, but Ive been farming vWGT since it was released on a regular basic. Do you think I have the set I need with good traits? Lolnope. Probably I do not deserve it (got no death, speedrun and other achieves before it was nerfed

). I also saw people who got full set by farming embers on the first boss, without completing the dungeon. I saw people getting "perfect" items on their 1st try as well.
Also please note that staves with defending trait are useless and cant count as "item I want".