What if Rune Focus was the Templar's house?

Alucardo · February 2016

So yeah, ever since Wrobels comment there has been a lot of mockery regarding "Step into my house". I get it, I do.. but I think feedback and suggestions might be more in order if you want to help your class.

OK, so we know Rune Focus gives you Physical and Spell resistance - cool. Here's some other things it could potentially do

- While standing in Rune Focus, spell projectiles are absorbed for part of the damage and restores health at the same time (similar to S+B Absorb Magic)
- Anyone standing inside your rune focus takes X flame damage per second (shouldn't be too powerful, but enough to keep pressure)
- Templar offensive abilities are amplified by X% while standing inside the rune

Basically drop a Nova in your rune and watch the world burn.

SemiD4rkness · February 2016

Or just gives us mines and take them away from sorcerers, they already have highest burst, highest defense AND best mobility, it makes zero sense that they get a spot to "camp". This has always been my number 1 concern about sorcerers, as soon as they see I can play around their burst they just camp mines and as a melee stam templar there's nothing I can do.

Alucardo · February 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Or just gives us mines and take them away from sorcerers, they already have highest burst, highest defense AND best mobility, it makes zero sense that they get a spot to "camp". This has always been my number 1 concern about sorcerers, as soon as they see I can play around their burst they just camp mines and as a melee stam templar there's nothing I can do.

God I hate mines. The second I see a sorc stack shields and then stand in their mines I literally walk away. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Vaoh · February 2016

@Alucardo I like this. If the archetype for a Templar (besides Healer) is to stand their ground, then why not punish enemies who enter the Rune Focus. Maybe it's time to add that Drain Stamina/Magicka effect to an ability rather than just seige weapons as well. This might work.

Rune Focus (high cost like Seige Shield)
- Unmorphed, provides Major Armor/Spell resist and HoT on allies. DoT to enemies (all effects besides the HoT persist 8 seconds after leaving Rune Focus)
- Morph 1: Drain enemy magicka 8-10% a second, deal much higher DoT(2 seconds after leaving Rune Focus the magicka drain ceases)
- Morph 2: Now cost Stamina to cast. Drain enemy Stamina 8-10% a second, Minor Armor/Spell resist debuff on enemy

Brrrofski · February 2016

People joke, but if I put that down on my stamplar you should be afraid. Super tanky wearwolf time baby

Alucardo · February 2016

Doncellius wrote: »

@Alucardo I like this. If the archetype for a Templar (besides Healer) is to stand their ground, then why not punish enemies who enter the Rune Focus. Maybe it's time to add that Drain Stamina/Magicka effect to an ability rather than just seige weapons as well. This might work.

Rune Focus (high cost like Seige Shield)
- Unmorphed, provides Major Armor/Spell resist and HoT on allies. DoT to enemies (all effects besides the HoT persist 8 seconds after leaving Rune Focus)
- Morph 1: Drain enemy magicka 8-10% a second, deal much higher DoT(2 seconds after leaving Rune Focus the magicka drain ceases)
- Morph 2: Now cost Stamina to cast. Drain enemy Stamina 8-10% a second, Minor Armor/Spell resist debuff on enemy

I'm not sure about it attacking enemies resources. I mean, at 10% a second, if they stand inside the focus for 6 seconds (especially if they get CCd), that's literally 80% of their magicka/stamina gone even after they leave. That's pretty huge.
The idea I had was to make Templars more tanky, by absorbing projectiles. They'd take less damage and heal themselves at the same time without casting BoL.
All their abilities would be magnified as well, so they'd be dealing out significantly more damage from jabs/sweeps, nova, vampire's bane, etc.
I do like the idea of a stamina morph though. The fire DoT could be scaled off max stam/weapon damage then and restore stamina instead of magicka.

Alucardo · February 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

People joke, but if I put that down on my stamplar you should be afraid. Super tanky wearwolf time baby

I just flap my wings and watch Werewolves kill themselves. If that doesn't work I'll throw a dawnbreaker down.

MarrazzMist · February 2016

Good idea. The concept is not bad, but if templar are to have their temple, let it be hell of a place for enemies!

Alucardo · February 2016

MarrazzMist wrote: »

Good idea. The concept is not bad, but if templar are to have their temple, let it be hell of a place for enemies!

I was trying to make it as hellish as possible, while not too over-the-top for a skill that wasn't an ultimate

Lore_lai · February 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

So yeah, ever since Wrobels comment there has been a lot of mockery regarding "Step into my house". I get it, I do.. but I think feedback and suggestions might be more in order if you want to help your class.

OK, so we know Rune Focus gives you Physical and Spell resistance - cool. Here's some other things it could potentially do

- While standing in Rune Focus, spell projectiles are absorbed for part of the damage and restores health at the same time (similar to S+B Absorb Magic)
- Anyone standing inside your rune focus takes X flame damage per second (shouldn't be too powerful, but enough to keep pressure)
- Templar offensive abilities are amplified by X% while standing inside the rune

Basically drop a Nova in your rune and watch the world burn.

Bolded part. This is pretty much pointless because of the incredibly small radius of Rune Focus.
As is right now, pretty much all damage abilities have a much larger range that no one will be stupid enough to jump inside the tiny rune to damage the Templar.

IMO, if the rune is to be this immobile house (I am against this view BTW, the way the game plays and how you have to be very mobile) - then it *needs* to be bigger or people will just stand outside the rune and whip, WB, jab, SA, etc. etc. you.

Alucardo · February 2016

Lore_lai wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

So yeah, ever since Wrobels comment there has been a lot of mockery regarding "Step into my house". I get it, I do.. but I think feedback and suggestions might be more in order if you want to help your class.

OK, so we know Rune Focus gives you Physical and Spell resistance - cool. Here's some other things it could potentially do

- While standing in Rune Focus, spell projectiles are absorbed for part of the damage and restores health at the same time (similar to S+B Absorb Magic)
- Anyone standing inside your rune focus takes X flame damage per second (shouldn't be too powerful, but enough to keep pressure)
- Templar offensive abilities are amplified by X% while standing inside the rune

Basically drop a Nova in your rune and watch the world burn.

IMO, if the rune is to be this immobile house (I am against this view BTW, the way the game plays and how you have to be very mobile) - then it *needs* to be bigger or people will just stand outside the rune and whip, WB, jab, SA, etc. etc. you.

True that. Rune focus is rather small. You often see Templars cast it then immediately run out. It should be slightly bigger with more incentives to stay inside.. at the moment it's a hit and run ability, which makes no sense.

Hand_Bacon · February 2016

Due to the Rune Focus' miniscule size.

If an enemy player enters it, they are completely debuffed, including drink/food buffs.

HoloYoitsu · February 2016

I don't see the problem w/ the Templar House, looks pretty decent in it's current state.

Justice31st · February 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

So yeah, ever since Wrobels comment there has been a lot of mockery regarding "Step into my house". I get it, I do.. but I think feedback and suggestions might be more in order if you want to help your class.

OK, so we know Rune Focus gives you Physical and Spell resistance - cool. Here's some other things it could potentially do

- While standing in Rune Focus, spell projectiles are absorbed for part of the damage and restores health at the same time (similar to S+B Absorb Magic)
- Anyone standing inside your rune focus takes X flame damage per second (shouldn't be too powerful, but enough to keep pressure)
- Templar offensive abilities are amplified by X% while standing inside the rune

Basically drop a Nova in your rune and watch the world burn.

And how would this fix the Templars mobility issues?

Alucardo · February 2016

Justice31st wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

So yeah, ever since Wrobels comment there has been a lot of mockery regarding "Step into my house". I get it, I do.. but I think feedback and suggestions might be more in order if you want to help your class.

OK, so we know Rune Focus gives you Physical and Spell resistance - cool. Here's some other things it could potentially do

- While standing in Rune Focus, spell projectiles are absorbed for part of the damage and restores health at the same time (similar to S+B Absorb Magic)
- Anyone standing inside your rune focus takes X flame damage per second (shouldn't be too powerful, but enough to keep pressure)
- Templar offensive abilities are amplified by X% while standing inside the rune

Basically drop a Nova in your rune and watch the world burn.

And how would this fix the Templars mobility issues?

Just like DKs, Templars shouldn't have mobility.. that's the point. They should both be able to stand their ground, not run away like rabbits Sorcerer and Nightblade style.

Lore_lai · February 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

So yeah, ever since Wrobels comment there has been a lot of mockery regarding "Step into my house". I get it, I do.. but I think feedback and suggestions might be more in order if you want to help your class.

OK, so we know Rune Focus gives you Physical and Spell resistance - cool. Here's some other things it could potentially do

- While standing in Rune Focus, spell projectiles are absorbed for part of the damage and restores health at the same time (similar to S+B Absorb Magic)
- Anyone standing inside your rune focus takes X flame damage per second (shouldn't be too powerful, but enough to keep pressure)
- Templar offensive abilities are amplified by X% while standing inside the rune

Basically drop a Nova in your rune and watch the world burn.

And how would this fix the Templars mobility issues?

Just like DKs, Templars shouldn't have mobility.. that's the point. They should both be able to stand their ground, not run away like rabbits Sorcerer and Nightblade style.

Mobility is not only for running away.

Plus, with next patch, Templar will be the only class that will have no way to get Major Expedition within their class skills AND have the Major spell/phys resist buff stick to them for the least time.

Alucardo · February 2016

Lore_lai wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

So yeah, ever since Wrobels comment there has been a lot of mockery regarding "Step into my house". I get it, I do.. but I think feedback and suggestions might be more in order if you want to help your class.

OK, so we know Rune Focus gives you Physical and Spell resistance - cool. Here's some other things it could potentially do

- While standing in Rune Focus, spell projectiles are absorbed for part of the damage and restores health at the same time (similar to S+B Absorb Magic)
- Anyone standing inside your rune focus takes X flame damage per second (shouldn't be too powerful, but enough to keep pressure)
- Templar offensive abilities are amplified by X% while standing inside the rune

Basically drop a Nova in your rune and watch the world burn.

And how would this fix the Templars mobility issues?

Just like DKs, Templars shouldn't have mobility.. that's the point. They should both be able to stand their ground, not run away like rabbits Sorcerer and Nightblade style.

Mobility is not only for running away.
Plus, with next patch, Templar will be the only class that will have no way to get Major Expedition within their class skills AND have the Major spell/phys resist buff stick to them for the least time.

You mean because DKs get a 2 sec mobility using a crappy skill like chains? I have no idea why that was even added.

Hand_Bacon · February 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Basically drop a Nova in your rune and watch the world burn.

Unless Nova applies an unbreakable stun, sorcs can just bouncy ball in and out of your house. Anyone with range can just bombard your house.

Most people are already pretty good at avoiding caltrops and proxy det by not getting kited into them. I just don't see this stand your ground working with a Templar as it is now. Even players who fight defensively still have to move around a lot.

Maybe change the rune focus to be like a pulsing pbaoe.

Mojmir · February 2016

It should the enemies "dead zone"

Scamandros · February 2016

What if it made an actual house with walls that needed to be seiged down

Alucardo · February 2016

Scamandros wrote: »

What if it made an actual house with walls that needed to be seiged down

That would be pretty cool tbh

Hand_Bacon · February 2016

So the rune focus as a small pulsing PBAOE, either as a 10 sec duration, or a toggle in exchange for 10% magicka.

The area does not have to be much larger than it is now, but it'll have to have a small dmg element and have it as a resource return for stamina that the class badly lacks. The stamina return could be based on the number of enemies inside the pulse.

This would aid Templars' mobility and still give them a tiny house.

PvP
It could be used for popping players out of stealth.

PvE
It could help Templar tanks by returning stamina based on mobs in the pbaoe.

EDIT: probably a crap idea, but I was drinking my coffee, digressing.

Molag_Crow · February 2016

This is seriously a simple yet good suggestion, honestly. If Templars are to stand their ground (because they lack mobility) then why not make Rune Focus a danger for enemy players?

I don't know about you, but I'm pretty disappointed to see so-called buffs that are slight adjustments in attempts to make a class better (see Blazing Shield "buffs") and I think it's about time we start getting some serious adjustments, just like this topic's suggestion in the OP.

There needs to be more dangerous, avoidable, obvious yet unexploited abilities in this game like something along the lines of a Rune Focus that seriously acts like a temple for Templars. Any enemies that stand inside should suffer the consequences, just like Blazing Shield used to be good for. Players learned that if you smacked a Templar too hard while they have blazing shield up? good luck! but now that's about as useful as a chocolate... dagger.

whsprwind · February 2016

Reduced incoming damage, pulsing DOT and increased damage from skills?

Sounds great!! Maybe give them a skill that can pull enemies into it too?!

oh wait..

SlayerTheDragon · February 2016

Anyone remember the Chakras for the Priest class in WOW. Focus should look like that.

Alucardo · February 2016

DonoVDV wrote: »

Anyone remember the Chakras for the Priest class in WOW. Focus should look like that.

Naw, I played WoW for 12 seconds and never went back. What was Chakras?

SlayerTheDragon · February 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

DonoVDV wrote: »

Anyone remember the Chakras for the Priest class in WOW. Focus should look like that.

Naw, I played WoW for 12 seconds and never went back. What was Chakras?

That glyph that pulses beneath the character's feet.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SH2lRYaF-Tg

Vaoh · February 2016

@Alucardo

Wrobel's view was about someone setting down areas of protection, and if you enter their "house" it'll be bad for you (lol). I still think the best way to build the Templar's "house" would be to make Rune Focus very strong and very dangerous with resource drain. It would allow Templars to hold choke points really well, and cause certain gankblades to really think twice before spamming Ambush on them. I would take it a step further if anything and balance afterward.

Additional effects to balance my previous idea:
- Size of Rune Focus increased to make it difficult to hit a Templar with melee while they're inside the rune's radius.
- If an enemy is CCed inside of a Rune Focus, your draining resource only depletes at 5% a second.
- If an enemy is immobilized inside the Rune Focus, they are not effected by the resource draining effects.
- The templar recieves 8% damage mitigation (Minor ?) against non-player enemies while inside the Rune Focus, and 10% damage mitigation against all projectile attacks from players.

WalkingLegacy · February 2016

In my House....wait what's the red circle doing in my house....

Mobility is how ESO gameplay works...standing in one spot will never be something Templars want unless it is very beneficial....and we can't have very beneficial because it will just be nerfed to uselessness.

Plenty of feedback on this in the Templar threads.

Lightninvash · February 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

So yeah, ever since Wrobels comment there has been a lot of mockery regarding "Step into my house". I get it, I do.. but I think feedback and suggestions might be more in order if you want to help your class.

OK, so we know Rune Focus gives you Physical and Spell resistance - cool. Here's some other things it could potentially do

- While standing in Rune Focus, spell projectiles are absorbed for part of the damage and restores health at the same time (similar to S+B Absorb Magic)
- Anyone standing inside your rune focus takes X flame damage per second (shouldn't be too powerful, but enough to keep pressure)
- Templar offensive abilities are amplified by X% while standing inside the rune

Basically drop a Nova in your rune and watch the world burn.

Another fix is increasing the radius size so we can walk around in our "house"

Alucardo · February 2016

Lightninvash wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

So yeah, ever since Wrobels comment there has been a lot of mockery regarding "Step into my house". I get it, I do.. but I think feedback and suggestions might be more in order if you want to help your class.

OK, so we know Rune Focus gives you Physical and Spell resistance - cool. Here's some other things it could potentially do

- While standing in Rune Focus, spell projectiles are absorbed for part of the damage and restores health at the same time (similar to S+B Absorb Magic)
- Anyone standing inside your rune focus takes X flame damage per second (shouldn't be too powerful, but enough to keep pressure)
- Templar offensive abilities are amplified by X% while standing inside the rune

Basically drop a Nova in your rune and watch the world burn.

Another fix is increasing the radius size so we can walk around in our "house"

Agree. It's more like a tent