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How about blocking?Septimus_Magna wrote: »HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Not true. We did tests on PTS with 2 people bombing 10 through all the block & mitigation they could stack. It didn't matter, with the nex Prox Det scaling on top of Venereal Disease explosions, the group always wiped. To 2 people.hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
Sounds like a bad group.
Vicious Death explosion is bypassing the AOE caps in a way.
Lets say you duo bomb a group with Proxy Det + Soul Tether, 2x 6 ppl will take 100% dmg.
Proxy Det dmg has been bufffed by 36% so will hit very hard and dmg can easily be buffed with Mage Light.
At least 6 ppl will die from the initial burst, only shield stacking sorcs might have a small chance to survive.
Those 6 ppl will all explode, thats an aoe dmg of 6 x 15k right after being hit with 2x Proxy Det and 2x Soul Tether.
There's no way to mitigate aoe burst dmg like that, except for DKs with Magma Shell ofc.hammayolettuce wrote: »We did tests on PTS with 2 people bombing 10 through all the block & mitigation they could stack. It didn't matter, with the nex Prox Det scaling on top of Venereal Disease explosions, the group always wiped. To 2 people.
Apparently that didnt work, havent tested this myself unfortunately.PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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How about blocking?Septimus_Magna wrote: »HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Not true. We did tests on PTS with 2 people bombing 10 through all the block & mitigation they could stack. It didn't matter, with the nex Prox Det scaling on top of Venereal Disease explosions, the group always wiped. To 2 people.hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
Sounds like a bad group.
Vicious Death explosion is bypassing the AOE caps in a way.
Lets say you duo bomb a group with Proxy Det + Soul Tether, 2x 6 ppl will take 100% dmg.
Proxy Det dmg has been bufffed by 36% so will hit very hard and dmg can easily be buffed with Mage Light.
At least 6 ppl will die from the initial burst, only shield stacking sorcs might have a small chance to survive.
Those 6 ppl will all explode, thats an aoe dmg of 6 x 15k right after being hit with 2x Proxy Det and 2x Soul Tether.
There's no way to mitigate aoe burst dmg like that, except for DKs with Magma Shell ofc.
This, or not have your whole group stand within a 5m circle. You could also move out of the bomb.0 -
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How about blocking?Septimus_Magna wrote: »HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Not true. We did tests on PTS with 2 people bombing 10 through all the block & mitigation they could stack. It didn't matter, with the nex Prox Det scaling on top of Venereal Disease explosions, the group always wiped. To 2 people.hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
Sounds like a bad group.
Vicious Death explosion is bypassing the AOE caps in a way.
Lets say you duo bomb a group with Proxy Det + Soul Tether, 2x 6 ppl will take 100% dmg.
Proxy Det dmg has been bufffed by 36% so will hit very hard and dmg can easily be buffed with Mage Light.
At least 6 ppl will die from the initial burst, only shield stacking sorcs might have a small chance to survive.
Those 6 ppl will all explode, thats an aoe dmg of 6 x 15k right after being hit with 2x Proxy Det and 2x Soul Tether.
There's no way to mitigate aoe burst dmg like that, except for DKs with Magma Shell ofc.
This, or not have your whole group stand within a 5m circle. You could also move out of the bomb.
That seems rather glib. Not especially surprised, but still. If it were that simple you'd never die on live as it is, and you know it.
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Not true. We did tests on PTS with 2 people bombing 10 through all the block & mitigation they could stack. It didn't matter, with the nex Prox Det scaling on top of Venereal Disease explosions, the group always wiped. To 2 people.hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
Sounds like a bad group.
Sounds like you're trying to be smug. It was pure testing, not combat, so bad and good don't really come into play. You don't have to be a bad or good player to hold block, stand inside a nova or turn undead, and see if you die or not to 2 people. Next comment?Edited by Zheg on February 18, 2016 12:06AM0 -
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Blocking does not significantly improve the group's survivability in the test, as I already mentioned. Bombing with block bypassing CC like fear is all you need. Timed right, the ones who you fear die in the bomb, and their VD explosions kill everything through block all the same.
How about blocking?Septimus_Magna wrote: »HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Not true. We did tests on PTS with 2 people bombing 10 through all the block & mitigation they could stack. It didn't matter, with the nex Prox Det scaling on top of Venereal Disease explosions, the group always wiped. To 2 people.hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
Sounds like a bad group.
Vicious Death explosion is bypassing the AOE caps in a way.
Lets say you duo bomb a group with Proxy Det + Soul Tether, 2x 6 ppl will take 100% dmg.
Proxy Det dmg has been bufffed by 36% so will hit very hard and dmg can easily be buffed with Mage Light.
At least 6 ppl will die from the initial burst, only shield stacking sorcs might have a small chance to survive.
Those 6 ppl will all explode, thats an aoe dmg of 6 x 15k right after being hit with 2x Proxy Det and 2x Soul Tether.
There's no way to mitigate aoe burst dmg like that, except for DKs with Magma Shell ofc.
Of course you could just say "spread out when you get bombed", but that overlooks the entire purpose of the test. There are lots of situations where you cannot spread out, that's what we were trying to duplicate in the testing.
As far as Manokin goes, try testing it with your own guild before you're going to start name calling.0 -
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✭✭HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Not true. We did tests on PTS with 2 people bombing 10 through all the block & mitigation they could stack. It didn't matter, with the nex Prox Det scaling on top of Venereal Disease explosions, the group always wiped. To 2 people.hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
Sounds like a bad group.
Sounds like you're trying to be smug. It was pure testing, not combat, so bad and good don't really come into play. You don't have to be a bad or good player to hold block, stand inside a nova or turn undead, and see if you die or not to 2 people. Next comment?
You could not die to two people.HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Blocking does not significantly improve the group's survivability in the test, as I already mentioned. Bombing with block bypassing CC like fear is all you need. Timed right, the ones who you fear die in the bomb, and their VD explosions kill everything through block all the same.
How about blocking?Septimus_Magna wrote: »HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Not true. We did tests on PTS with 2 people bombing 10 through all the block & mitigation they could stack. It didn't matter, with the nex Prox Det scaling on top of Venereal Disease explosions, the group always wiped. To 2 people.hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
Sounds like a bad group.
Vicious Death explosion is bypassing the AOE caps in a way.
Lets say you duo bomb a group with Proxy Det + Soul Tether, 2x 6 ppl will take 100% dmg.
Proxy Det dmg has been bufffed by 36% so will hit very hard and dmg can easily be buffed with Mage Light.
At least 6 ppl will die from the initial burst, only shield stacking sorcs might have a small chance to survive.
Those 6 ppl will all explode, thats an aoe dmg of 6 x 15k right after being hit with 2x Proxy Det and 2x Soul Tether.
There's no way to mitigate aoe burst dmg like that, except for DKs with Magma Shell ofc.
Of course you could just say "spread out when you get bombed", but that overlooks the entire purpose of the test. There are lots of situations where you cannot spread out, that's what we were trying to duplicate in the testing.
As far as Manokin goes, try testing it with your own guild before you're going to start name calling.
I have tested it, on the first and second day of the PTS being up.1 -
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✭✭✭✭HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Not true. We did tests on PTS with 2 people bombing 10 through all the block & mitigation they could stack. It didn't matter, with the nex Prox Det scaling on top of Venereal Disease explosions, the group always wiped. To 2 people.hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
Sounds like a bad group.
Sounds like you're trying to be smug. It was pure testing, not combat, so bad and good don't really come into play. You don't have to be a bad or good player to hold block, stand inside a nova or turn undead, and see if you die or not to 2 people. Next comment?
You could not die to two people.HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Blocking does not significantly improve the group's survivability in the test, as I already mentioned. Bombing with block bypassing CC like fear is all you need. Timed right, the ones who you fear die in the bomb, and their VD explosions kill everything through block all the same.
How about blocking?Septimus_Magna wrote: »HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Not true. We did tests on PTS with 2 people bombing 10 through all the block & mitigation they could stack. It didn't matter, with the nex Prox Det scaling on top of Venereal Disease explosions, the group always wiped. To 2 people.hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
Sounds like a bad group.
Vicious Death explosion is bypassing the AOE caps in a way.
Lets say you duo bomb a group with Proxy Det + Soul Tether, 2x 6 ppl will take 100% dmg.
Proxy Det dmg has been bufffed by 36% so will hit very hard and dmg can easily be buffed with Mage Light.
At least 6 ppl will die from the initial burst, only shield stacking sorcs might have a small chance to survive.
Those 6 ppl will all explode, thats an aoe dmg of 6 x 15k right after being hit with 2x Proxy Det and 2x Soul Tether.
There's no way to mitigate aoe burst dmg like that, except for DKs with Magma Shell ofc.
Of course you could just say "spread out when you get bombed", but that overlooks the entire purpose of the test. There are lots of situations where you cannot spread out, that's what we were trying to duplicate in the testing.
As far as Manokin goes, try testing it with your own guild before you're going to start name calling.
I have tested it, on the first and second day of the PTS being up.
Bad testing group?
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How much resist and HP did the guys have? Somehow I still struggle to believe that 10 people can't survive 2 people bombing them...HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Blocking does not significantly improve the group's survivability in the test, as I already mentioned. Bombing with block bypassing CC like fear is all you need. Timed right, the ones who you fear die in the bomb, and their VD explosions kill everything through block all the same.
How about blocking?Septimus_Magna wrote: »HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Not true. We did tests on PTS with 2 people bombing 10 through all the block & mitigation they could stack. It didn't matter, with the nex Prox Det scaling on top of Venereal Disease explosions, the group always wiped. To 2 people.hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
Sounds like a bad group.
Vicious Death explosion is bypassing the AOE caps in a way.
Lets say you duo bomb a group with Proxy Det + Soul Tether, 2x 6 ppl will take 100% dmg.
Proxy Det dmg has been bufffed by 36% so will hit very hard and dmg can easily be buffed with Mage Light.
At least 6 ppl will die from the initial burst, only shield stacking sorcs might have a small chance to survive.
Those 6 ppl will all explode, thats an aoe dmg of 6 x 15k right after being hit with 2x Proxy Det and 2x Soul Tether.
There's no way to mitigate aoe burst dmg like that, except for DKs with Magma Shell ofc.
Of course you could just say "spread out when you get bombed", but that overlooks the entire purpose of the test. There are lots of situations where you cannot spread out, that's what we were trying to duplicate in the testing.
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How much resist and HP did the guys have? Somehow I still struggle to believe that 10 people can't survive 2 people bombing them...HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Blocking does not significantly improve the group's survivability in the test, as I already mentioned. Bombing with block bypassing CC like fear is all you need. Timed right, the ones who you fear die in the bomb, and their VD explosions kill everything through block all the same.
How about blocking?Septimus_Magna wrote: »HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Not true. We did tests on PTS with 2 people bombing 10 through all the block & mitigation they could stack. It didn't matter, with the nex Prox Det scaling on top of Venereal Disease explosions, the group always wiped. To 2 people.hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
Sounds like a bad group.
Vicious Death explosion is bypassing the AOE caps in a way.
Lets say you duo bomb a group with Proxy Det + Soul Tether, 2x 6 ppl will take 100% dmg.
Proxy Det dmg has been bufffed by 36% so will hit very hard and dmg can easily be buffed with Mage Light.
At least 6 ppl will die from the initial burst, only shield stacking sorcs might have a small chance to survive.
Those 6 ppl will all explode, thats an aoe dmg of 6 x 15k right after being hit with 2x Proxy Det and 2x Soul Tether.
There's no way to mitigate aoe burst dmg like that, except for DKs with Magma Shell ofc.
Of course you could just say "spread out when you get bombed", but that overlooks the entire purpose of the test. There are lots of situations where you cannot spread out, that's what we were trying to duplicate in the testing.
As far as Manokin goes, try testing it with your own guild before you're going to start name calling.
Pure damage tests. Max CP into magic resist, all blocking and healing. All you have to do is kill ONE person and the burst damage from Vicious Death causes a chain reaction.
As for Mano, I still don't get you on this issue. If it were so easy to play it loose and spread out and avoid bombs inside keeps you would do it every time you fight me. Your actual options are "kite" and "bomb harder", so I'm not sure why you're taking this stand.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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How much resist and HP did the guys have? Somehow I still struggle to believe that 10 people can't survive 2 people bombing them...HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Blocking does not significantly improve the group's survivability in the test, as I already mentioned. Bombing with block bypassing CC like fear is all you need. Timed right, the ones who you fear die in the bomb, and their VD explosions kill everything through block all the same.
How about blocking?Septimus_Magna wrote: »HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Not true. We did tests on PTS with 2 people bombing 10 through all the block & mitigation they could stack. It didn't matter, with the nex Prox Det scaling on top of Venereal Disease explosions, the group always wiped. To 2 people.hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
Sounds like a bad group.
Vicious Death explosion is bypassing the AOE caps in a way.
Lets say you duo bomb a group with Proxy Det + Soul Tether, 2x 6 ppl will take 100% dmg.
Proxy Det dmg has been bufffed by 36% so will hit very hard and dmg can easily be buffed with Mage Light.
At least 6 ppl will die from the initial burst, only shield stacking sorcs might have a small chance to survive.
Those 6 ppl will all explode, thats an aoe dmg of 6 x 15k right after being hit with 2x Proxy Det and 2x Soul Tether.
There's no way to mitigate aoe burst dmg like that, except for DKs with Magma Shell ofc.
Of course you could just say "spread out when you get bombed", but that overlooks the entire purpose of the test. There are lots of situations where you cannot spread out, that's what we were trying to duplicate in the testing.
As far as Manokin goes, try testing it with your own guild before you're going to start name calling.
Actually you just need one of them to die to whipe the whole group, and if you fear-bomb this is a very likely scenario.
A question for you guys, I think I've read somewhere that the VD explosion is not subject to battle spirit, is this correct?
Edit: Nevermind, seems to be tooltip only.
And a question to the NA folks, since I can't test it in the no CP campaign: when putting 100CP into Thaumaturge, my VD tooltip (on a blue item) goes up to ~19k. Is this correct or a visual bug? Thaumaturge seems to be totally bugged somehow. But this would result in 30k crits... maybe this has been tested already, but I can't find it right now. Any insight?Edited by r.jan_emailb16_ESO on February 18, 2016 8:58AMLairgren | DC Dragonknight - August Palatine
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How much resist and HP did the guys have? Somehow I still struggle to believe that 10 people can't survive 2 people bombing them...HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Blocking does not significantly improve the group's survivability in the test, as I already mentioned. Bombing with block bypassing CC like fear is all you need. Timed right, the ones who you fear die in the bomb, and their VD explosions kill everything through block all the same.
How about blocking?Septimus_Magna wrote: »HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Not true. We did tests on PTS with 2 people bombing 10 through all the block & mitigation they could stack. It didn't matter, with the nex Prox Det scaling on top of Venereal Disease explosions, the group always wiped. To 2 people.hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
Sounds like a bad group.
Vicious Death explosion is bypassing the AOE caps in a way.
Lets say you duo bomb a group with Proxy Det + Soul Tether, 2x 6 ppl will take 100% dmg.
Proxy Det dmg has been bufffed by 36% so will hit very hard and dmg can easily be buffed with Mage Light.
At least 6 ppl will die from the initial burst, only shield stacking sorcs might have a small chance to survive.
Those 6 ppl will all explode, thats an aoe dmg of 6 x 15k right after being hit with 2x Proxy Det and 2x Soul Tether.
There's no way to mitigate aoe burst dmg like that, except for DKs with Magma Shell ofc.
Of course you could just say "spread out when you get bombed", but that overlooks the entire purpose of the test. There are lots of situations where you cannot spread out, that's what we were trying to duplicate in the testing.
As far as Manokin goes, try testing it with your own guild before you're going to start name calling.
Pure damage tests. Max CP into magic resist, all blocking and healing. All you have to do is kill ONE person and the burst damage from Vicious Death causes a chain reaction.
As for Mano, I still don't get you on this issue. If it were so easy to play it loose and spread out and avoid bombs inside keeps you would do it every time you fight me. Your actual options are "kite" and "bomb harder", so I'm not sure why you're taking this stand.
Thought the vicious death proc can't proc an another one if it's the killing blow?R.I.P Dawnbreaker / Auriel´s Bow
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How much resist and HP did the guys have? Somehow I still struggle to believe that 10 people can't survive 2 people bombing them...HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Blocking does not significantly improve the group's survivability in the test, as I already mentioned. Bombing with block bypassing CC like fear is all you need. Timed right, the ones who you fear die in the bomb, and their VD explosions kill everything through block all the same.
How about blocking?Septimus_Magna wrote: »HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Not true. We did tests on PTS with 2 people bombing 10 through all the block & mitigation they could stack. It didn't matter, with the nex Prox Det scaling on top of Venereal Disease explosions, the group always wiped. To 2 people.hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
Sounds like a bad group.
Vicious Death explosion is bypassing the AOE caps in a way.
Lets say you duo bomb a group with Proxy Det + Soul Tether, 2x 6 ppl will take 100% dmg.
Proxy Det dmg has been bufffed by 36% so will hit very hard and dmg can easily be buffed with Mage Light.
At least 6 ppl will die from the initial burst, only shield stacking sorcs might have a small chance to survive.
Those 6 ppl will all explode, thats an aoe dmg of 6 x 15k right after being hit with 2x Proxy Det and 2x Soul Tether.
There's no way to mitigate aoe burst dmg like that, except for DKs with Magma Shell ofc.
Of course you could just say "spread out when you get bombed", but that overlooks the entire purpose of the test. There are lots of situations where you cannot spread out, that's what we were trying to duplicate in the testing.
As far as Manokin goes, try testing it with your own guild before you're going to start name calling.
Pure damage tests. Max CP into magic resist, all blocking and healing. All you have to do is kill ONE person and the burst damage from Vicious Death causes a chain reaction.
As for Mano, I still don't get you on this issue. If it were so easy to play it loose and spread out and avoid bombs inside keeps you would do it every time you fight me. Your actual options are "kite" and "bomb harder", so I'm not sure why you're taking this stand.
Thought the vicious death proc can't proc an another one if it's the killing blow?
I thought it couldn't proc off itself either? Perhaps Satiar meant the singular explosion if they are stacked up tightly.0 -
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✭✭✭✭No AOE caps! ... Except for the ones on heals, support abilities, etc. --Fengresh
Ya I mean theres exceptions to it all - the reality is were not there or headed there so theres no point fighting over it. Im not trying to advocate for a landslide imbalance to one side but whatever - we are where were at. Without AOE cap removal no point even fighting over this stuff.0 -
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✭✭✭✭r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »
How much resist and HP did the guys have? Somehow I still struggle to believe that 10 people can't survive 2 people bombing them...HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Blocking does not significantly improve the group's survivability in the test, as I already mentioned. Bombing with block bypassing CC like fear is all you need. Timed right, the ones who you fear die in the bomb, and their VD explosions kill everything through block all the same.
How about blocking?Septimus_Magna wrote: »HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Not true. We did tests on PTS with 2 people bombing 10 through all the block & mitigation they could stack. It didn't matter, with the nex Prox Det scaling on top of Venereal Disease explosions, the group always wiped. To 2 people.hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
Sounds like a bad group.
Vicious Death explosion is bypassing the AOE caps in a way.
Lets say you duo bomb a group with Proxy Det + Soul Tether, 2x 6 ppl will take 100% dmg.
Proxy Det dmg has been bufffed by 36% so will hit very hard and dmg can easily be buffed with Mage Light.
At least 6 ppl will die from the initial burst, only shield stacking sorcs might have a small chance to survive.
Those 6 ppl will all explode, thats an aoe dmg of 6 x 15k right after being hit with 2x Proxy Det and 2x Soul Tether.
There's no way to mitigate aoe burst dmg like that, except for DKs with Magma Shell ofc.
Of course you could just say "spread out when you get bombed", but that overlooks the entire purpose of the test. There are lots of situations where you cannot spread out, that's what we were trying to duplicate in the testing.
As far as Manokin goes, try testing it with your own guild before you're going to start name calling.
Actually you just need one of them to die to whipe the whole group, and if you fear-bomb this is a very likely scenario.
A question for you guys, I think I've read somewhere that the VD explosion is not subject to battle spirit, is this correct?
Edit: Nevermind, seems to be tooltip only.
And a question to the NA folks, since I can't test it in the no CP campaign: when putting 100CP into Thaumaturge, my VD tooltip (on a blue item) goes up to ~19k. Is this correct or a visual bug? Thaumaturge seems to be totally bugged somehow. But this would result in 30k crits... maybe this has been tested already, but I can't find it right now. Any insight?
No, the tooltip on the set is close to the actual number. I was hit for a 19k crit (though that character didn't have impen) during testing.
As to the chain reaction, the explosion itself cannot set off a chain reaction and proc more explosions, but if the explosion gets you low, as in the case of potential 19k crits and then a prox det or tick from ult damage finishes you off, those will indeed proc further explosions. People are running typically 21-26k health in pvp, the damage numbers are /facepalm worthy.Edited by Zheg on February 18, 2016 2:41PM3 -
GRxKnight✭✭✭✭✭hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
What are you giving up? Not a whole lot really...5 Julianos 5 VD 1/2 Kena....what is it you're giving up?Member of Victorem, RÁGE ; Decibel Alumni (RIP)
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Takllin✭✭✭✭✭hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
What are you giving up? Not a whole lot really...5 Julianos 5 VD 1/2 Kena....what is it you're giving up?
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✭✭✭✭hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
What are you giving up? Not a whole lot really...5 Julianos 5 VD 1/2 Kena....what is it you're giving up?
3 Willpower, 2 Torugs
The dps loss is pretty minimal between 5 VD and 3 willpower/2 torugs. Torug is identical to the 2 piece on VD, the magicka from willpower 2 piece is identical to the 3 piece VD, so literally the only 'loss' is trading the enhanced spell dmg from the willpower 3 piece for a spell crit bonus on VD 4 piece and then 5 piece VD bonus as gravy.
So, think about that, you're only losing out on the willpower spell dmg to gain more spell crit and the ability to obliterate people near enemies you kill, it's barely a blip on the radar for dps loss from regular abilities.Edited by Zheg on February 18, 2016 2:54PM3 -
Takllin✭✭✭✭✭hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
What are you giving up? Not a whole lot really...5 Julianos 5 VD 1/2 Kena....what is it you're giving up?
3 Willpower, 2 Torugs
The dps loss is pretty minimal between 5 VD and 3 willpower/2 torugs. Torug is identical to the 2 piece on VD, the magicka from willpower 2 piece is identical to the 3 piece VD, so literally the only 'loss' is trading the enhanced spell dmg from the willpower 3 piece for a spell crit bonus on VD 4 piece and then 5 piece VD bonus as gravy.
So, think about that, you're only losing out on the willpower spell dmg to gain more spell crit and the ability to obliterate people near enemies you kill, it's barely a blip on the radar for dps loss from regular abilities.
Willpower 2 piece is at least 1.5x stronger than regular piece bonuses, it's something like 1500 Magicka to 927 Magicka.
Not to mention everyone assumes that this set is going to be given out like candy when the update comes...it's gonna be hella long time before you have entire raid groups outfitted with this. Your giving up some damage and sustain in hopes that you can get the kill to proc the set.Jadokis - AD Redguard DK v16 AR 18
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GRxKnight✭✭✭✭✭hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
What are you giving up? Not a whole lot really...5 Julianos 5 VD 1/2 Kena....what is it you're giving up?
3 Willpower, 2 Torugs
The dps loss is pretty minimal between 5 VD and 3 willpower/2 torugs. Torug is identical to the 2 piece on VD, the magicka from willpower 2 piece is identical to the 3 piece VD, so literally the only 'loss' is trading the enhanced spell dmg from the willpower 3 piece for a spell crit bonus on VD 4 piece and then 5 piece VD bonus as gravy.
So, think about that, you're only losing out on the willpower spell dmg to gain more spell crit and the ability to obliterate people near enemies you kill, it's barely a blip on the radar for dps loss from regular abilities.
Willpower 2 piece is at least 1.5x stronger than regular piece bonuses, it's something like 1500 Magicka to 927 Magicka.
Not to mention everyone assumes that this set is going to be given out like candy when the update comes...it's gonna be hella long time before you have entire raid groups outfitted with this. Your giving up some damage and sustain in hopes that you can get the kill to proc the set.
The tradeoff is, like Zheg said, minimal if anything and totally worth it...I'll gladly gain more spell crit, pair it with the crit i get from Julianos, and go crazy with insane prox det damage thanks to max cp and watching things go boom when i get a killing blow.
You're right in that it will take a while to obtain the set as I'm assuming people will be selling it at ridiculous prices but hey...if you got the cash why not? I'll be running what i have currently until i get VD...time to cash in on everyone that owes me a favorMember of Victorem, RÁGE ; Decibel Alumni (RIP)
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Takllin✭✭✭✭✭hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
What are you giving up? Not a whole lot really...5 Julianos 5 VD 1/2 Kena....what is it you're giving up?
3 Willpower, 2 Torugs
The dps loss is pretty minimal between 5 VD and 3 willpower/2 torugs. Torug is identical to the 2 piece on VD, the magicka from willpower 2 piece is identical to the 3 piece VD, so literally the only 'loss' is trading the enhanced spell dmg from the willpower 3 piece for a spell crit bonus on VD 4 piece and then 5 piece VD bonus as gravy.
So, think about that, you're only losing out on the willpower spell dmg to gain more spell crit and the ability to obliterate people near enemies you kill, it's barely a blip on the radar for dps loss from regular abilities.
Willpower 2 piece is at least 1.5x stronger than regular piece bonuses, it's something like 1500 Magicka to 927 Magicka.
Not to mention everyone assumes that this set is going to be given out like candy when the update comes...it's gonna be hella long time before you have entire raid groups outfitted with this. Your giving up some damage and sustain in hopes that you can get the kill to proc the set.
The tradeoff is, like Zheg said, minimal if anything and totally worth it...I'll gladly gain more spell crit, pair it with the crit i get from Julianos, and go crazy with insane prox det damage thanks to max cp and watching things go boom when i get a killing blow.
You're right in that it will take a while to obtain the set as I'm assuming people will be selling it at ridiculous prices but hey...if you got the cash why not? I'll be running what i have currently until i get VD...time to cash in on everyone that owes me a favor
I'm not saying it's not worth it, you just asked what your giving up, so I answered. I don't play Magicka builds really anymore so not that intriguing to me, I'll just sell any pieces I get, if any. I wouldn't pay top dollar for it either as I don't see using it outside of zerg diving.
FWIW I'd much rather go with Kags considering all the Impen people *should* be wearing.Jadokis - AD Redguard DK v16 AR 18
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✭✭✭✭hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
What are you giving up? Not a whole lot really...5 Julianos 5 VD 1/2 Kena....what is it you're giving up?
3 Willpower, 2 Torugs
The dps loss is pretty minimal between 5 VD and 3 willpower/2 torugs. Torug is identical to the 2 piece on VD, the magicka from willpower 2 piece is identical to the 3 piece VD, so literally the only 'loss' is trading the enhanced spell dmg from the willpower 3 piece for a spell crit bonus on VD 4 piece and then 5 piece VD bonus as gravy.
So, think about that, you're only losing out on the willpower spell dmg to gain more spell crit and the ability to obliterate people near enemies you kill, it's barely a blip on the radar for dps loss from regular abilities.
Willpower 2 piece is at least 1.5x stronger than regular piece bonuses, it's something like 1500 Magicka to 927 Magicka.
Not to mention everyone assumes that this set is going to be given out like candy when the update comes...it's gonna be hella long time before you have entire raid groups outfitted with this. Your giving up some damage and sustain in hopes that you can get the kill to proc the set.
Which means players will be focused on making AP above all else for worthy mails until the set is available, and that's something we need more of right? Even we're planning on letting the map go to crap (mostly) until we have enough people geared out in this, and we're one of the most objective focused guilds, so that should say something.
And again, as Grxknight said, this is the tradeoff:
500 magicka and ~190 spell dmg
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spell crit and "When you kill a player they violently explode for 14895 Flame Damage", it really shouldn't even be a question of which is best to run in pvp.1 -
GRxKnight✭✭✭✭✭hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
What are you giving up? Not a whole lot really...5 Julianos 5 VD 1/2 Kena....what is it you're giving up?
3 Willpower, 2 Torugs
The dps loss is pretty minimal between 5 VD and 3 willpower/2 torugs. Torug is identical to the 2 piece on VD, the magicka from willpower 2 piece is identical to the 3 piece VD, so literally the only 'loss' is trading the enhanced spell dmg from the willpower 3 piece for a spell crit bonus on VD 4 piece and then 5 piece VD bonus as gravy.
So, think about that, you're only losing out on the willpower spell dmg to gain more spell crit and the ability to obliterate people near enemies you kill, it's barely a blip on the radar for dps loss from regular abilities.
Willpower 2 piece is at least 1.5x stronger than regular piece bonuses, it's something like 1500 Magicka to 927 Magicka.
Not to mention everyone assumes that this set is going to be given out like candy when the update comes...it's gonna be hella long time before you have entire raid groups outfitted with this. Your giving up some damage and sustain in hopes that you can get the kill to proc the set.
The tradeoff is, like Zheg said, minimal if anything and totally worth it...I'll gladly gain more spell crit, pair it with the crit i get from Julianos, and go crazy with insane prox det damage thanks to max cp and watching things go boom when i get a killing blow.
You're right in that it will take a while to obtain the set as I'm assuming people will be selling it at ridiculous prices but hey...if you got the cash why not? I'll be running what i have currently until i get VD...time to cash in on everyone that owes me a favor
I'm not saying it's not worth it, you just asked what your giving up, so I answered. I don't play Magicka builds really anymore so not that intriguing to me, I'll just sell any pieces I get, if any. I wouldn't pay top dollar for it either as I don't see using it outside of zerg diving.
FWIW I'd much rather go with Kags considering all the Impen people *should* be wearing.
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Takllin✭✭✭✭✭hammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
What are you giving up? Not a whole lot really...5 Julianos 5 VD 1/2 Kena....what is it you're giving up?
3 Willpower, 2 Torugs
The dps loss is pretty minimal between 5 VD and 3 willpower/2 torugs. Torug is identical to the 2 piece on VD, the magicka from willpower 2 piece is identical to the 3 piece VD, so literally the only 'loss' is trading the enhanced spell dmg from the willpower 3 piece for a spell crit bonus on VD 4 piece and then 5 piece VD bonus as gravy.
So, think about that, you're only losing out on the willpower spell dmg to gain more spell crit and the ability to obliterate people near enemies you kill, it's barely a blip on the radar for dps loss from regular abilities.
Willpower 2 piece is at least 1.5x stronger than regular piece bonuses, it's something like 1500 Magicka to 927 Magicka.
Not to mention everyone assumes that this set is going to be given out like candy when the update comes...it's gonna be hella long time before you have entire raid groups outfitted with this. Your giving up some damage and sustain in hopes that you can get the kill to proc the set.
Which means players will be focused on making AP above all else for worthy mails until the set is available, and that's something we need more of right? Even we're planning on letting the map go to crap (mostly) until we have enough people geared out in this, and we're one of the most objective focused guilds, so that should say something.
And again, as Grxknight said, this is the tradeoff:
500 magicka and ~190 spell dmg
for
spell crit and "When you kill a player they violently explode for 14895 Flame Damage", it really shouldn't even be a question of which is best to run in pvp.
See my above response to GRxhammayolettuce wrote: »The set is nice just like some of the other new sets but you are sacrificing a decent amount to run it in hopes that you are the one getting the KB. It's probably a better set for NBs and Sorcs than any other.
It's still too early to say how well it's going to preform as nothing has really been tested pvp wise other than 1v1.
What are you giving up? Not a whole lot really...5 Julianos 5 VD 1/2 Kena....what is it you're giving up?
3 Willpower, 2 Torugs
The dps loss is pretty minimal between 5 VD and 3 willpower/2 torugs. Torug is identical to the 2 piece on VD, the magicka from willpower 2 piece is identical to the 3 piece VD, so literally the only 'loss' is trading the enhanced spell dmg from the willpower 3 piece for a spell crit bonus on VD 4 piece and then 5 piece VD bonus as gravy.
So, think about that, you're only losing out on the willpower spell dmg to gain more spell crit and the ability to obliterate people near enemies you kill, it's barely a blip on the radar for dps loss from regular abilities.
Willpower 2 piece is at least 1.5x stronger than regular piece bonuses, it's something like 1500 Magicka to 927 Magicka.
Not to mention everyone assumes that this set is going to be given out like candy when the update comes...it's gonna be hella long time before you have entire raid groups outfitted with this. Your giving up some damage and sustain in hopes that you can get the kill to proc the set.
The tradeoff is, like Zheg said, minimal if anything and totally worth it...I'll gladly gain more spell crit, pair it with the crit i get from Julianos, and go crazy with insane prox det damage thanks to max cp and watching things go boom when i get a killing blow.
You're right in that it will take a while to obtain the set as I'm assuming people will be selling it at ridiculous prices but hey...if you got the cash why not? I'll be running what i have currently until i get VD...time to cash in on everyone that owes me a favor
I'm not saying it's not worth it, you just asked what your giving up, so I answered. I don't play Magicka builds really anymore so not that intriguing to me, I'll just sell any pieces I get, if any. I wouldn't pay top dollar for it either as I don't see using it outside of zerg diving.
FWIW I'd much rather go with Kags considering all the Impen people *should* be wearing.
Any pieces of VD you get then pm me I'll buy them off of you
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Sureshawt✭✭✭✭Saddest part about these changes is that they will likely drive away new PvP players that experience these stupid mechanics. Probably likely to lose a significant portion of the existing casual player base as well. Any hope of increasing the player base seems gone with changes like these.
I seriously hope I'm wrong but I can't see changes like these being healthy for the game in the long run. For all the imperfections ,which there are many, it still has the best action oriented PvP I've ever experienced. I loath the thought of looking for another game....
Edited by Sureshawt on February 18, 2016 5:43PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Saddest part about these changes is that they will likely drive away new PvP players that experience these stupid mechanics. Probably likely to lose a significant portion of the existing casual player base as well. Any hope of increasing the player base seems gone with changes like these.
I seriously hope I'm wrong but I can't see changes like these being healthy for the game in the long run. For all the imperfections ,which there are many, it still has the best action oriented PvP I've ever experienced. I loath the thought of looking for another game....
New PvP players generally aren't running around cyrodiil stacked on a 5m circle.
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Newer players stand on the inner breach light attacking npcs not noticing that there is 10 oils pouring on them.Saddest part about these changes is that they will likely drive away new PvP players that experience these stupid mechanics. Probably likely to lose a significant portion of the existing casual player base as well. Any hope of increasing the player base seems gone with changes like these.
I seriously hope I'm wrong but I can't see changes like these being healthy for the game in the long run. For all the imperfections ,which there are many, it still has the best action oriented PvP I've ever experienced. I loath the thought of looking for another game....
New PvP players generally aren't running around cyrodiil stacked on a 5m circle.
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Newer players stand on the inner breach light attacking npcs not noticing that there is 10 oils pouring on them.Saddest part about these changes is that they will likely drive away new PvP players that experience these stupid mechanics. Probably likely to lose a significant portion of the existing casual player base as well. Any hope of increasing the player base seems gone with changes like these.
I seriously hope I'm wrong but I can't see changes like these being healthy for the game in the long run. For all the imperfections ,which there are many, it still has the best action oriented PvP I've ever experienced. I loath the thought of looking for another game....
New PvP players generally aren't running around cyrodiil stacked on a 5m circle.
I see this on older players aswell. Elite *cough*
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