Why Have a No CP Campaign?

Pirhana7_ESO · February 2016

What is the point of having a no CP campaign? CPs have been capped at 501 and it is very easy to catch up on CPs now. It does not take long to get a few hundred CPs and the difference between 200 and 500 is very minimal since the first few hundred CPs are worth the most and the later CP points give you very little (1% compared to .1%. Yes if there was no CP cap and people had 2k then it would be worth considering, but a 501 cap makes it pointless.

You need some kind of PVP progression to give you something to push for so your character can always get better. No one wants to hit that "I'm finished wall" CPs are perfect for that longterm minimal progression. A reason to keep going.

A No CP campaign... why not have a no levels campaign, a no gear campaign, basically everyone is exactly equal and the same, no building a character even needed, no progression....

EnemyOfDaState · February 2016

Just don't play the campaign. It isn't for you it is for people just starting out.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

it's comming

and it will help new players learn how to PvP without being behind in 3 ways:

experience
gear
and CP

WalkingLegacy · February 2016

They were attributing some of the lag to CP.

AJ_1988 · February 2016

With a no cp campaign new people or people that have just hit vet ranks can play on a more even field. This way they are not overpowered by others at the cp cap and they can earn cp while in the campaign for later use.

I see it as a good idea for those that are new to pvp. Only the non vet and 1 normal campaign will be cp free. So there will stil be 3 cp counted campaigns.

Hopefully this will make more campaigns active, but I'm not bothered by this change as I can choose to play in it or not. It just adds choice so why not have it

Xeven · February 2016

Agreed. With the CP cap and catch up mechanic in place, I don't see this being popular outside of BWB.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

Xeven wrote: »

Agreed. With the CP cap and catch up mechanic in place, I don't see this being popular outside of BWB.

well i would go there over CP campaigns. will be less laggy and more an even playing field. which is a win-win for me

Solariken · February 2016

Blackwater Blade certainly should be no CP.

As for the veteran no-CP, I know I won't be playing in it but I'm guessing there are a lot of people who will.

AfkNinja · February 2016

More even pvp for those of us who don't need massive stat advantages over new players.

Pirhana7_ESO · February 2016

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Just don't play the campaign. It isn't for you it is for people just starting out.

Artjuh90 wrote: »

it's comming
and it will help new players learn how to PvP without being behind in 3 ways:
experience

gear

and CP

AJ_1988 wrote: »

With a no cp campaign new people or people that have just hit vet ranks can play on a more even field. This way they are not overpowered by others at the cp cap and they can earn cp while in the campaign for later use.

I see it as a good idea for those that are new to pvp. Only the non vet and 1 normal campaign will be cp free. So there will stil be 3 cp counted campaigns.

Hopefully this will make more campaigns active, but I'm not bothered by this change as I can choose to play in it or not. It just adds choice so why not have it

That is the purpose of the non vet campaign, people can play in those for months and learn pvp on a more even field. You don't need a second newbie campaign after that.
501 CPs are not the reason why new players die at vet ranks. The reason is people with 15 more vet ranks. The difference between vet 1 and vet 16 is massive in terms of character power. But that will be leaving the game in the future. 501 CPs is very minimal compared to that.

There will be very very little difference in a non CP campaign vs a normal campaign in terms of CPs, Its the vet ranks combined with gold gear that change the playing field. Just fix the real problem and remove vet ranks now.

bowmanz607 · February 2016

new players coming from non-vet along with testing your skill rather than how many cp you have. great for duels.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

well i disagree. i think there are alot of players like me who wouldn't go to PvP before they hit veteran because they like questing aswell

Inarre · February 2016

Being a new player having played in non vet with all of the 501 cp players with gold or purple gear playing on non vet toons i can understand perfectly why there is a no cp campaign.

It's not like they are taking away your cp and leaving others. It's completely even playing field. I welcome it.

reguvin · February 2016

Azura should have Champion Points since its the Main Campaign, other Campaigns should have an option to disable Champion Points.

Kammakazi · February 2016

So you're basically saying that CP is just a crutch?

SirDopey · February 2016

Lol all the non skilled grinders are going to start raging because they'll no longer be able to bash on noobs. Noobs will be in the NO CP campaigns and all the fakers will have to play on a level field with them, or only compete against people of their own theoretical strength.

I can just smell the rage boiling in their blood......

bowmanz607 · February 2016

SirDopey wrote: »

Lol all the non skilled grinders are going to start raging because they'll no longer be able to bash on noobs. Noobs will be in the NO CP campaigns and all the fakers will have to play on a level field with them, or only compete against people of their own theoretical strength.

I can just smell the rage boiling in their blood......

i hope there is some pop there though. It is likely that it will be an empty campaign. the people who will prefer to go there likely wont have enough people to fight and will either flock back to non-vet or jump into normal campaigns.

SirDopey · February 2016

reguvin wrote: »

Azura should have Champion Points since its the Main Campaign, other Campaigns should have an option to disable Champion Points.

Player preference will set the new "major" campaign, much like it did with the last major campaign overhaul. On PC | NA Thornblade was the major campaign, it only became Azura after the scoring changes so it really doesn't matter with campaign they pick, as long as its not Axe which is fairly unique

Same thing will happen this time round.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2016

No CP is for ppl who want a balanced battle.
I think the no CP should also become "hard mode"

For Normal dungeons/trials and non-CP mode would be the harder versions and all existing vet dungeons and trials would use the vet dungeons as version 2

SirDopey · February 2016

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Just don't play the campaign. It isn't for you it is for people just starting out.

Artjuh90 wrote: »

it's comming
and it will help new players learn how to PvP without being behind in 3 ways:
experience

gear

and CP

AJ_1988 wrote: »

With a no cp campaign new people or people that have just hit vet ranks can play on a more even field. This way they are not overpowered by others at the cp cap and they can earn cp while in the campaign for later use.

I see it as a good idea for those that are new to pvp. Only the non vet and 1 normal campaign will be cp free. So there will stil be 3 cp counted campaigns.

Hopefully this will make more campaigns active, but I'm not bothered by this change as I can choose to play in it or not. It just adds choice so why not have it

That is the purpose of the non vet campaign, people can play in those for months and learn pvp on a more even field. You don't need a second newbie campaign after that.
501 CPs are not the reason why new players die at vet ranks. The reason is people with 15 more vet ranks. The difference between vet 1 and vet 16 is massive in terms of character power. But that will be leaving the game in the future. 501 CPs is very minimal compared to that.

There will be very very little difference in a non CP campaign vs a normal campaign in terms of CPs, Its the vet ranks combined with gold gear that change the playing field. Just fix the real problem and remove vet ranks now.

How long have you been playing on a vet 16? The difference between Vet 1 and 16 isn't large at all with the current battle leveling system in PVP. In no way, shape or form can the word "massive" be used to reference the gap.... A perfect example, I'm now relying on a maelstrom weapon to push my total stamina and weapon damage to as high as it was at V14 with all legendary V16 gear......vet levels are not the issue (PVE maybe, not PVP)

dem0n1k · February 2016

I am looking forward to the non-CP because I am interested to see how much of a difference it actually makes.

pmn100b16_ESO · February 2016

The non-cp campaign has the potential to be quite popular. I know I'm certainly going to develop a no-cp spec prefering the pre 1.6 patch style of combat myself, and it could be the only campaign with no lag. In time it could be THE campaign to be in if you're serious about your player vs player.

$infraction2008b16_ESO$ · February 2016

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

What is the point of having a no CP campaign? CPs have been capped at 501 and it is very easy to catch up on CPs now. It does not take long to get a few hundred CPs and the difference between 200 and 500 is very minimal since the first few hundred CPs are worth the most and the later CP points give you very little (1% compared to .1%. Yes if there was no CP cap and people had 2k then it would be worth considering, but a 501 cap makes it pointless.

You need some kind of PVP progression to give you something to push for so your character can always get better. No one wants to hit that "I'm finished wall" CPs are perfect for that longterm minimal progression. A reason to keep going.

A No CP campaign... why not have a no levels campaign, a no gear campaign, basically everyone is exactly equal and the same, no building a character even needed, no progression....

Remember you can PvP at level 10 onwards, this change is there to basically help those starting out that are probably with their first character and still have 40 levels to go until they can start earning any CP. It's much better for them than a non vet campaign in where people still have earned CP from higher level alts they can use on lower level characters to dominate.

laksikus · February 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

it's comming
and it will help new players learn how to PvP without being behind in 3 ways:
experience

gear

and CP

and exactly this is the order why new players get killed:
more expeienced players kill them
better geared players kill them
people with mor cp kill them

and nothing will change

Pirhana7_ESO · February 2016

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

What is the point of having a no CP campaign? CPs have been capped at 501 and it is very easy to catch up on CPs now. It does not take long to get a few hundred CPs and the difference between 200 and 500 is very minimal since the first few hundred CPs are worth the most and the later CP points give you very little (1% compared to .1%. Yes if there was no CP cap and people had 2k then it would be worth considering, but a 501 cap makes it pointless.

You need some kind of PVP progression to give you something to push for so your character can always get better. No one wants to hit that "I'm finished wall" CPs are perfect for that longterm minimal progression. A reason to keep going.

A No CP campaign... why not have a no levels campaign, a no gear campaign, basically everyone is exactly equal and the same, no building a character even needed, no progression....

Remember you can PvP at level 10 onwards, this change is there to basically help those starting out that are probably with their first character and still have 40 levels to go until they can start earning any CP. It's much better for them than a non vet campaign in where people still have earned CP from higher level alts they can use on lower level characters to dominate.

I agree that the non vet campaign should ALSO be a non CP campaign, I really don't know why that wasn't the case form the beginning. My main issue is after vet levels. I think a vet 1 to vet 8 campaign would help balance far more than a no CP campaign

Pirhana7_ESO · February 2016

SirDopey wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Just don't play the campaign. It isn't for you it is for people just starting out.

Artjuh90 wrote: »

it's comming
and it will help new players learn how to PvP without being behind in 3 ways:
experience

gear

and CP

AJ_1988 wrote: »

With a no cp campaign new people or people that have just hit vet ranks can play on a more even field. This way they are not overpowered by others at the cp cap and they can earn cp while in the campaign for later use.

I see it as a good idea for those that are new to pvp. Only the non vet and 1 normal campaign will be cp free. So there will stil be 3 cp counted campaigns.

Hopefully this will make more campaigns active, but I'm not bothered by this change as I can choose to play in it or not. It just adds choice so why not have it

That is the purpose of the non vet campaign, people can play in those for months and learn pvp on a more even field. You don't need a second newbie campaign after that.
501 CPs are not the reason why new players die at vet ranks. The reason is people with 15 more vet ranks. The difference between vet 1 and vet 16 is massive in terms of character power. But that will be leaving the game in the future. 501 CPs is very minimal compared to that.

There will be very very little difference in a non CP campaign vs a normal campaign in terms of CPs, Its the vet ranks combined with gold gear that change the playing field. Just fix the real problem and remove vet ranks now.

How long have you been playing on a vet 16? The difference between Vet 1 and 16 isn't large at all with the current battle leveling system in PVP. In no way, shape or form can the word "massive" be used to reference the gap.... A perfect example, I'm now relying on a maelstrom weapon to push my total stamina and weapon damage to as high as it was at V14 with all legendary V16 gear......vet levels are not the issue (PVE maybe, not PVP)

For a long time, but I also play a v10 atm. I also will play my g/fs Templar who is V7 atm with under 50 Cps. I guess this will just be a disagreement with CPs power but I really think a V1 threw V8 campaign would help beginners a lot more than a no CP campaign. Like I said, if it was people with 2k Cps it would be different but 501 vs someone with 50 isn't that big of a difference. And by the time you reach V9 and enter the main campaigns you should already have around 100cps which give the biggest early CP bonuses

NoMoreChillies · February 2016

Kammakazi wrote: »

So you're basically saying that CP is just a crutch?

hit the nail on the head

DaveMoeDee · February 2016

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

What is the point of having a no CP campaign? CPs have been capped at 501 and it is very easy to catch up on CPs now. It does not take long to get a few hundred CPs and the difference between 200 and 500 is very minimal since the first few hundred CPs are worth the most and the later CP points give you very little (1% compared to .1%. Yes if there was no CP cap and people had 2k then it would be worth considering, but a 501 cap makes it pointless.

You need some kind of PVP progression to give you something to push for so your character can always get better. No one wants to hit that "I'm finished wall" CPs are perfect for that longterm minimal progression. A reason to keep going.

A No CP campaign... why not have a no levels campaign, a no gear campaign, basically everyone is exactly equal and the same, no building a character even needed, no progression....

No, it is not very easy to catch up on CP. It is easy to get the first half or 60 percent, but it takes quite a bit of effort to get to 501.

You still have progression. Skill unlocking and gear acquisition. It also seems that a lot of PvPers don't care about progression. They just want to PvP.

Later CP can give you a decent bump. It depends how your distribute the CP. An extra 100 CP is not as trivial as you claim.

I do agree though with your comment about 'no gear campaign' since gear is a treadmill far more than CP is.

FriedEggSandwich · February 2016

No idea anyone wanted a no cp vet campaign tbh. Saw people asking for no cp bwb but that was it. Why not just let vet players into bwb, only down-levelled to lvl49, and leave bwb as the only no cp campaign? Not interested myself but I'm sort of glad it will exist, it removes an element of uncertainty from those players trying to work out why they suck. I'd rather fight players with cp and have more options.

kevlarto_ESO · February 2016

There was a time when some players were asking for it, they even talked about it on ESO live, that's why I guess, will see what happens with it, I think for BWB I is a great idea will have to see for the vet.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

laksikus wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

it's comming
and it will help new players learn how to PvP without being behind in 3 ways:
experience

gear

and CP

and exactly this is the order why new players get killed:
more expeienced players kill them
better geared players kill them
people with mor cp kill them

and nothing will change

yes ofc they have a disadvantigde and they always have but CP set them further behind