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Stamina vs Magicka: What's actually stronger? (PVP)
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Dakrana_Thrazvoth✭✭✭✭Both are equally strongBoth,
Because magicka build have a lots of heals and awesome burst with deto, but stamina build have insane damages.0 -
clayandaudrey_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Both are equally strongI don't support any of the three options provided.
I truly believe that player skill, in combination with proper itemization and statistical min/maxing is what prevails in terms of damage.
1. Proper itemization - i.e. wearing sets that compliment your build type.
2. Statistical min/maxing - i.e. thorough testing of all viable combinations of sets, buffs, and rotations.
3. Player skill - allows one to properly implement options 1 & 2 in practice.
People have been proving builds on every end of the spectrum for a long time. Even now I know of two builds, one is magicka and the other is stamina, that both give each other a run for their septims, in both pve and pvp. And both are highly regarded as the current meta and OP relative to all else. Of course, the last part of this statement is too subjective to take seriously, but the point is that it doesn't matter.
It's not the car, but the driver.
100% agree with this. People who play well excel at both. You can try to nerf these players but skill trumps nerfs always. That is why good players can dominate on builds that people say are bad.0 -
remilafo✭✭✭✭StaminaRight now on live Stamina in PvP is MUCH stronger... however that table might flip come TG DLC0 -
Rex-Umbra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭StaminaStamina is much easier to be good at.Xbox GT: Rex Umbrah
GM of IMPERIUM since 2015.0 -
Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hard to say OP. You get a lot of folks with mixed views on both styles of play. And thus, said views can vary based on a individuals experience in PvP.
Now if you follow other fighting game communities, you can study the trends based on what character is more fun to play. ESO has trends too. Each time it gets updated people will sway back and forth on both ends of the spectrum. New sets come out, ideas get put into action, and you see trends towards build types people tend to fancy.
I would pay $5 bison dollars that some smart folks are already out there on PTS sciencing the next new fad.
Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on February 17, 2016 2:34PM0 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Both are equally strongIn almost all respects, I feel magicka is stronger as it offers more sustain and utility. However, Wrecking Blow and Surprise Attack are what give stamina builds a huge advantage in PvP.
-Edited by Solariken on February 17, 2016 2:39PM0 -
Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭MagickaSemiD4rkness wrote: »
No, a DK ganker with the heavy attack stuff
But i see wat you meant. have an awesomeEdited by Lenikus on February 17, 2016 3:35PM... Mai cave. >:31 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭StaminaSteel Tornado > Impulse
Wrecking Blow = Hardenened Ward + Destructive Clench
Vigor + Rally > Blessing of Restoration + Healing Springs/Rapid Regen
Proxy Det ~ Caltrops (debatable, but both are very good and very spammed)
Magicka has shields, but the increased cc break and dodge from stamina actually mitigates MORE. As an example, that 21k Crystal Frag I'm throwing usually gets dodged completely by a stam char. It will deliver around half of its damage through a sorc's Hardened Ward, though, unless my enemy spent an action to cast Harness Magicka, which my Curse bleeds through with about 7k of its initial damage, which is UNMITIGATED. In the meantime, stamblades are happy about their 25% damage mitigation for wearing medium armor and their limitless break free. Once I am out of stamina, I must retreat from a fight, as it's not coming back too early.
On top of that, stamina easily reaches 4k weapon power, whereas magicka usually reaches 3k on average. And the latter is with dual wield, which means no light/medium attack weaving for ultimate, resource and dps. Also, learning to play and tapping my left (console) stick to crouch does not grant me a damage bonus.
More over, the current CP system vastly favors physical builds.
This has been discussed by wiser people than me on the "We are ESO podcast", and even there the general consensus was that stamina is better. The current meta in Cyrodiil is stamina nightblade, not magicka nightblade.
We'll see what Thieves Guild brings. Magicka needed some ground-evening, We'll see if it was overdone or not.0 -
LBxFinalDeath✭✭✭✭MagickaPeople on magicka characters will say its stam because magicka builds don't like getting pressured.
People on stam characters will say its magicka because shield stackers are annoying and it shouldn't in their mind be possible to spam every shield in the game in the face of your opponent in the blink of an eye if they shield stack anim cancel.
Its a very bias question tbh.
I'd say after playing both that magicka is far more effective in the long run.
It'll just be even more imbalanced in favor of magicka when the patch hits since the #1 zerg bomb build AND set is gonna be magicka ONLY.
Stam needs its own version of prox det+vicious death.
Wheres stams version of the 30K to a single target regardless of resistances move that will proc an insane guaranteed kill execute if the guy you're fighting is low HP?
Wheres the stam sorc buffs too?Edited by LBxFinalDeath on February 17, 2016 4:54PM1 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Both are equally strongOn live:
PvE: Magicka all the way
PvP: Mostly balanced with stamina being partially more powerful due to the Champion System
On PTS:
Magicka in every aspect.0 -
DEATHquidox✭✭✭Both are equally strong@Iyas but sorcs can oneshot people with mines and hardened never actually gets broken
Seriously though, it all depends on the specific builds. Atm for pure solo open world / duelling i would say stamina DK, magicka NB and stamina NB are the strongest classes, in that order.
Generally, regardless of things like itemization, possible charackter stats and CP disparities, Stamina mostly has the better weapon skills ( dual wield being the big *** exception) while magicka mostly benefits from strong class abilities.
Also, while it is sad this even has to be considered impactful in balance, stamina has way better exploits. Axeploiting and reverb shenanigans easily beat that bit of magicka mag players exploit out of harness . (Those are the most common exploits I see these days).
I die a lot as a sorc with my shields, yeah I go in by myself trying to fight 3 other vet 16s but I still die pretty fast like almost instantly0 -
Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭Magicka
There's something wrong, then, with my Vr1 sorc i get jumped by zergs and they take a good 2 minutes to finally kill me with myself using only shield shield, streak a bit, shield shield shield shield, streak further, shield shield shield...DEATHquidox wrote: »I die a lot as a sorc with my shields, yeah I go in by myself trying to fight 3 other vet 16s but I still die pretty fast like almost instantly... Mai cave. >:30 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭StaminaStamina in PvP for the burst/mobility/dodgerolling/blocking/etc. Magic unquestionably in PvE. Dont get me wrong, you can pull really good numbers on a stam build, but straight single target, Overload Sorc and Magic DK for the win. The range argument for PVE is valid, but the best DPS comes from standing right on top of your target. DKs use whip, and really good sorcs keep up boundless storm for an extra DoT which requires melee range.0 -
Kalante✭✭✭✭✭
✭Magicka. Burst damage or gtfo. Have yall seen magicka sorcerers? they can tank and do ridiculous dps. They can use magicka detonation and stack that with curse, crystal fragments, endless fury which is basically an automatic execute, overload spam.. great mobility, like.. ***. And they can shield spam and insta heal with healing ward if stacking shields correctly. Why would anyone wanna be a stamina player after seeing what a competent sorc can do. Magicka sorc and magicka in general is the easiest thing to play. Yet we have a sorcerer scrub in another forum thread asking for a magicka version of vigor. Like aren't magicka users specially sorcs and nightblades OP enough? damnn.Edited by Kalante on February 17, 2016 6:06PM0 -
TiberX✭✭✭✭Both are equally strongStamina, mainly because of the wreckingblow bug that does not offer CC IMUNITTY. I voted equal because i hope thats getting fixed
. Officer of Ghosts and Goblins0 -
StaminaRecently I turned my magicka Dk into a stam one just to see what the difference would be. PVE wise the magicka DK was a lot stronger than stam. In PVP however...stam was far superior. The way the game is setup now sucks. PVE and PVP need separate skill lines/profiles. If I go to pve then the one line would be active and if I pvp the other would become active making it much easier to spec for either.0
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Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »I don't support any of the three options provided.
I truly believe that player skill, in combination with proper itemization and statistical min/maxing is what prevails in terms of damage.
1. Proper itemization - i.e. wearing sets that compliment your build type.
2. Statistical min/maxing - i.e. thorough testing of all viable combinations of sets, buffs, and rotations.
3. Player skill - allows one to properly implement options 1 & 2 in practice.
People have been proving builds on every end of the spectrum for a long time. Even now I know of two builds, one is magicka and the other is stamina, that both give each other a run for their septims, in both pve and pvp. And both are highly regarded as the current meta and OP relative to all else. Of course, the last part of this statement is too subjective to take seriously, but the point is that it doesn't matter.
It's not the car, but the driver.
100% agree with this. People who play well excel at both. You can try to nerf these players but skill trumps nerfs always. That is why good players can dominate on builds that people say are bad.
Thank you. This is precisely why I have forgone the vote. I have multiple stamina and magicka builds, each of which I've used extensively in both PvE and PvP, and I can honestly say I feel equally powerful on both. In pvp, when I run my magicka build, I win the vast majority of my fights against stam builds. When I run my stam build, I win the vast majority of my fights against magicka builds. I really think the key here is knowing your opponent and being able to react accordingly, turning his/her strengths/weaknesses into your own opportunities.0 -
Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Magicka. Burst damage or gtfo. Have yall seen magicka sorcerers? they can tank and do ridiculous dps. They can use magicka detonation and stack that with curse, crystal fragments, endless fury which is basically an automatic execute, overload spam.. great mobility, like.. ***. And they can shield spam and insta heal with healing ward if stacking shields correctly. Why would anyone wanna be a stamina player after seeing what a competent sorc can do. Magicka sorc and magicka in general is the easiest thing to play. Yet we have a sorcerer scrub in another forum thread asking for a magicka version of vigor. Like aren't magicka users specially sorcs and nightblades OP enough? damnn.Magicka. Burst damage or gtfo. Have yall seen magicka sorcerers? they can tank and do ridiculous dps. They can use magicka detonation and stack that with curse, crystal fragments, endless fury which is basically an automatic execute, overload spam.. great mobility, like.. ***. And they can shield spam and insta heal with healing ward if stacking shields correctly. Why would anyone wanna be a stamina player after seeing what a competent sorc can do. Magicka sorc and magicka in general is the easiest thing to play. Yet we have a sorcerer scrub in another forum thread asking for a magicka version of vigor. Like aren't magicka users specially sorcs and nightblades OP enough? damnn.
Have you seen literally every class do this? Because I have, and I've done it on every class personally. I don't see what the fuss is about... people have been performing outside of their "designated role" since launch.0 -
Staminakhele23eb17_ESO wrote: »What this poll shows is whats played more.
aside from the fact that most long term players have multiple toons with magica and stamina builds. So if stamina is being played more, its power has something do do with it. or do you think every magica dk just quit the game? remember when 2/3 pvp was magica dk. i do.0
