Should ZOS sell NEW emotes in the Crown Store ?
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EQBallzz✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoNO FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NOOOOOO!!!!!
That is one of the many reasons I left Destiny, if they want to give us more emotes fine but they should not cost money. Buying mounts pets and costumes with cash is fine not emotes.
What's the difference between emotes and mounts/pets/costumes @bryanhaas ? What makes emotes unfit for the crown store and not those other things?
Just too much nickel and diming with emotes, makes it feel like a cell phone game or Destiny. Both of which are not far from each other.
How would you suggest that they make money to support the game then? They have to support a team to be devoted to this game solely. DLC content does not alone do that.
Why not nickel and diming for fluff? And what's a fairer model?
Good question. I have a revolutionary idea. You set up this thing called a "subscription" where *all* players pay a nominal fee per month (maybe 10-15 dollars?) which gives ZOS a steady, constant stream of cash every month to develop the game and then everyone then gets access to 100% of the game and most content patches. No bickering over P2W or cash shop nonsense or nickel and diming or paying for stupid sh!t like emotes.
Also, with particularly large content patches it will cost extra..we could call these large content patches "expansions". That way ZOS has several cash flow streams at play including box sales, subscription cost and expansions. Game is funded so long as content is good!
I know it's brilliant and unique. I'm sure you are wondering how I even came up with such a masterstroke of genius.
They tried that @EQBallzz, it failed.
Next brilliant idea?
Did it fail? Really? Maybe it didn't fail as much as the console release interfered with it due to console subscription costs. Maybe it didn't fail as much as they had $$$ in their eyes thinking about how they could cash in with the cash shop. Pay models don't fail. Games fail. If a game is good it is worth paying for but at the same time a game can't be good if paying for it requires you to spend unreasonable amounts of money on micro-transactions.
Any MMO that is worth playing is worth paying for. Think about it..if it's not worth paying a measly 10-15 dollars a month for how good can it be? If a game relies on marketing tactics and tricking customers with "sales" and nickel and diming everyone is it really any good? I would say that ESO is currently in a grey area that is not quite in this space of being bad because of what they are doing but it has certainly gone downhill from it's original vision. The real reasons for that are unclear and I suspect it's not nearly as simple or easy as "the subscription model failed".
ESO is no longer a sub based game. Whether the failure was it failed to bring in enough revenue or it failed to meet the requirements of an MMO on console... it failed. I personally think the reason we lost the sub was because MS refused to allow ESO on their system without it also requiring Xbox Live... That would be in the category of "failure to meet the standards set forth by MS."
All of the arguments you are making I can understand if we are talking sub VS cash shop revenue systems, but we already have costumes, mounts, pets, xp scrolls, werewolf and vampire transformations, repair kits, motifs, mount skill upgrades, bag space upgrades, and bank space upgrades... but this... THIS is the line Crown Store items isn't to cross. Seems like an odd place to make a stance.
Right now we have a MUCH greater chance of getting emotes if we are willing to pay for them. If you had the choice between never getting any new emotes or buying them in the crown store... would you choose never to get any new emotes? Because we could very well be at that point.
I actually agree with you on the theory that ESO sub model failed due to Xbox Live but that doesn't mean it had to change for PC. They could have done something different for console since it's essentially a different game or if that really wasn't an option and they wanted to honor the original pay model that they in fact said was imperative for them to have a quality game they could have designed the system better such that the ESO+ benefits gave you the full game experience (without P2W or game-play shortcuts) and they could monetize parts of it in such a way as to appeal to console players. Let's be honest though..most console players are probably spending at least some money in the cash shop anyway so it's kind of a huge charade.
As for your question about emotes I would have to say I would rather not get new emotes if it means paying for them in the crown store. Not because I care about emotes per se but I would rather them spend resources on more important things like bug fixes and actual content. The cash shop and B2P conversion has already derailed the game enough.
How about release more of the promised content that was supposed to be out last year? I mean we already paid for it with sub money and we will have to pay for it again in the form of DLC or more sub money so that should be enough money for them...emotes or not.
Sorry but I'm not buying the idea that poor ZOS is so broke we need to offer up more things for them to please sell us in the cash shop. They should stick to mounts, costumes and vanity pets. As if that isn't bad enough there are worse things in there like motifs and XP pots. Let's not encourage them to make it even worse.0 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesSorry but I'm not buying the idea that poor ZOS is so broke we need to offer up more things for them to please sell us in the cash shop. They should stick to mounts, costumes and vanity pets. As if that isn't bad enough there are worse things in there like motifs and XP pots. Let's not encourage them to make it even worse.
Honestly, @EQBallzz for me, it is more about wanting a service/feature/tool/toy and I'm willing to pay for it because otherwise, I don't think we will get it.
What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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WalkingLegacy✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoSorry but I'm not buying the idea that poor ZOS is so broke we need to offer up more things for them to please sell us in the cash shop. They should stick to mounts, costumes and vanity pets. As if that isn't bad enough there are worse things in there like motifs and XP pots. Let's not encourage them to make it even worse.
Honestly, @EQBallzz for me, it is more about wanting a service/feature/tool/toy and I'm willing to pay for it because otherwise, I don't think we will get it.
Probably not, but we're not gonna get most the things we want and probably not 95% of the ideas you want @Gidorick
I'd rather them start pushing resources to fix the classes, combat and Cyrodil if I had a choice.Edited by WalkingLegacy on February 17, 2016 2:53AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭YesWalkingLegacy wrote: »Sorry but I'm not buying the idea that poor ZOS is so broke we need to offer up more things for them to please sell us in the cash shop. They should stick to mounts, costumes and vanity pets. As if that isn't bad enough there are worse things in there like motifs and XP pots. Let's not encourage them to make it even worse.
Honestly, @EQBallzz for me, it is more about wanting a service/feature/tool/toy and I'm willing to pay for it because otherwise, I don't think we will get it.
Probably not, but we're not gonna get most the things we want and probably not 95% of the ideas you want @Gidorick
I'd rather them start pushing resources to fix the classes, combat and Cyrodil if I had a choice.
The teams that work on class fixing, combat and Cyrodiil are NOT the teams that would work on the majority of the kinds of things I suggest... including new emotes.
And I know that 95%... oh who am I kidding.. 99.95% of what I want will never be added to ESO. But that 0.05%... That's enough with which to hope.
Edited by Gidorick on February 17, 2016 3:04AMWhat ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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Lonestryder✭✭✭Nojamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I dont know how much but why not sell emotes. They give you no advantage.
Not everything is measured based strictly on its combat power.
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Codeman1976✭✭✭YesI voted yes without taking into consideration emotes being attainable in game. My vote is yes so long as it's not a shortcut. If it's like all other games out there where if the player waits long enough they can just pay money to have everything the veterans had to earn then my vote is a hell no.PS4 NA
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesCodeman1976 wrote: »I voted yes without taking into consideration emotes being attainable in game. My vote is yes so long as it's not a shortcut. If it's like all other games out there where if the player waits long enough they can just pay money to have everything the veterans had to earn then my vote is a hell no.
I don't think emotes are obtainable in-game @Codeman1976 ... As far as I know there is no way to get new emotes. We do have collectibles but they're not exactly emotes. more like... toys.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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Codeman1976✭✭✭Yes@Gidorick, that's what I mean though. If, in the future, emotes can be earned through certain actions don't make them available by paying real money. Just like titles in the game, it would make them worthless if anyone could buy them instead of earning them.PS4 NA
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✭YesI see no harm here. Not just single emotes. But packages of them. But ESO Plus should always have access to them.0 -
EQBallzz✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoSorry but I'm not buying the idea that poor ZOS is so broke we need to offer up more things for them to please sell us in the cash shop. They should stick to mounts, costumes and vanity pets. As if that isn't bad enough there are worse things in there like motifs and XP pots. Let's not encourage them to make it even worse.
Honestly, @EQBallzz for me, it is more about wanting a service/feature/tool/toy and I'm willing to pay for it because otherwise, I don't think we will get it.
I get it and I understand where you are coming from. I really do. Don't you see, though? If we continue down this path the MMO genre will continue to degrade and the micro-transactions will just get worse and worse. There are a lot of features in ESO that I want and are missing but I don't want to pay for them piecemeal. I would rather pay them a fair price for the game and expect a good game in return. Begging ZOS for game features à la carte is just a very bad precedent and we shouldn't encourage it in my opinion.3 -
Fruitmass✭✭✭✭NoSorry but I'm not buying the idea that poor ZOS is so broke we need to offer up more things for them to please sell us in the cash shop. They should stick to mounts, costumes and vanity pets. As if that isn't bad enough there are worse things in there like motifs and XP pots. Let's not encourage them to make it even worse.
Honestly, @EQBallzz for me, it is more about wanting a service/feature/tool/toy and I'm willing to pay for it because otherwise, I don't think we will get it.
I think that touches on just why I dislike the idea of paying for something like emotes with real cash. Quality of life improvements shouldn't come with strings attached. It should be given in good faith, a bit of fan service to shows they appreciate their customers.
The fact that we can't have improvements to the simple things in life unless we pay extra for it every time... it just feels inherently wrong.Edited by Fruitmass on February 17, 2016 4:36AMBeware all ye who log on for here there be typos...1 -
WalkingLegacy✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoWalkingLegacy wrote: »Sorry but I'm not buying the idea that poor ZOS is so broke we need to offer up more things for them to please sell us in the cash shop. They should stick to mounts, costumes and vanity pets. As if that isn't bad enough there are worse things in there like motifs and XP pots. Let's not encourage them to make it even worse.
Honestly, @EQBallzz for me, it is more about wanting a service/feature/tool/toy and I'm willing to pay for it because otherwise, I don't think we will get it.
Probably not, but we're not gonna get most the things we want and probably not 95% of the ideas you want @Gidorick
I'd rather them start pushing resources to fix the classes, combat and Cyrodil if I had a choice.
The teams that work on class fixing, combat and Cyrodiil are NOT the teams that would work on the majority of the kinds of things I suggest... including new emotes.
And I know that 95%... oh who am I kidding.. 99.95% of what I want will never be added to ESO. But that 0.05%... That's enough with which to hope.
Sigh I said resources. Resources as in leadership, and MONEY.
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesWalkingLegacy wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »Sorry but I'm not buying the idea that poor ZOS is so broke we need to offer up more things for them to please sell us in the cash shop. They should stick to mounts, costumes and vanity pets. As if that isn't bad enough there are worse things in there like motifs and XP pots. Let's not encourage them to make it even worse.
Honestly, @EQBallzz for me, it is more about wanting a service/feature/tool/toy and I'm willing to pay for it because otherwise, I don't think we will get it.
Probably not, but we're not gonna get most the things we want and probably not 95% of the ideas you want @Gidorick
I'd rather them start pushing resources to fix the classes, combat and Cyrodil if I had a choice.
The teams that work on class fixing, combat and Cyrodiil are NOT the teams that would work on the majority of the kinds of things I suggest... including new emotes.
And I know that 95%... oh who am I kidding.. 99.95% of what I want will never be added to ESO. But that 0.05%... That's enough with which to hope.
Sigh I said resources. Resources as in leadership, and MONEY.
Lol. Different leaders on different teams. The higher supervision that would be over BOTH teams is likely at too high a level to directly impact progress, and how do purpose they spend more money on bug fixes, balancing, and server tech? Hire more people for those teams and let people go from other teams to justify the additional salaries?
Harsh.Edited by Gidorick on February 17, 2016 5:12AMWhat ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesSorry but I'm not buying the idea that poor ZOS is so broke we need to offer up more things for them to please sell us in the cash shop. They should stick to mounts, costumes and vanity pets. As if that isn't bad enough there are worse things in there like motifs and XP pots. Let's not encourage them to make it even worse.
Honestly, @EQBallzz for me, it is more about wanting a service/feature/tool/toy and I'm willing to pay for it because otherwise, I don't think we will get it.
I think that touches on just why I dislike the idea of paying for something like emotes with real cash. Quality of life improvements shouldn't come with strings attached. It should be given in good faith, a bit of fan service to shows they appreciate their customers.
The fact that we can't have improvements to the simple things in life unless we pay extra for it every time... it just feels inherently wrong.
I totally get that. Nicely put @Fruitmass.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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bedlom✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoThey should finish working on adding more detail to the current emotes in 1st person i.e write, read etc. Like they did care enough at one point to work on this.
But new emotes would be awesome. I would love to see a smoking emote, with a hobbit style pipe.
Or a torch emote where we can move around with it.
Instruments you can use buttons to play different notes yourself and make you're own music.
Now these three, I would pay for on the CS.0 -
RabNebula✭✭✭NoI voted no because in game communication tools should be improved all the time. They should be used as a tool to help the community thrive and make communication easier. Things like "Would you like to join a group" Should also have the alternative of "Could I join your group?" or "Merge groups?".1 -
eventide03b14a_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No
You are correct. This problem should get top priority. I can't imagine anything being more frustrating than not being able to emote. Well maybe the performance in Cyrodiil, broken skills, class imbalance, poor loot tables....Aside from those things, there is nothing more important than emoting!NewBlacksmurf wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
I suppose you could always use emotes on the PC and then do everything else on the console. Would that be a fair tradeoff?NewBlacksmurf wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NO FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NOOOOOO!!!!!
That is one of the many reasons I left Destiny, if they want to give us more emotes fine but they should not cost money. Buying mounts pets and costumes with cash is fine not emotes.
What's the difference between emotes and mounts/pets/costumes @bryanhaas ? What makes emotes unfit for the crown store and not those other things?
The mounts and costumes fall within the DLC so while it seems similar its not.
-Emotes, don't need to be in any crown store of purchasable at all.
If ZOS wants to add emotes, that is fine but designing emotes for the purpose of selling them....
NOPE!
Emotes are visual tools with which players use to express themselves. In what way would selling emotes be detrimental to the development of the game. What negative effect of Crown Store emotes can you give ?
The problem comes in because there are MANY threads specific to customers asking ZOS to add and arrange emotes for console. They have been unresponsive and unwilling to do this so if they come back with emotes for crowns....its a slap in the face and will pretty much *** us on consoles off.
For PC, I do understand that it comes off differently but....just sharing both have to work for this so emotes should be off limits for ZOS as far as crowns
With all due respect the PC players shouldn't' suffer because of the limitations of the consoles.
I agree but lets be clear....its not PC suffering due to console limitations.
Perhaps you're suffering due to ZOS limitations. PC wants emotes...and so does consoles (but with text on ours)....to me it all seems pretty simple.
Heck...for consoles just add text to existing emotes
I don't know...that seems like an awful lot of work. Wouldn't it just be easier to play it on PC?
Are you asking me?
I own both Xox One and PC so I don't think I can respond for others....just sharing perspectives.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »Well, I assume once console players have text chat they would not have to use the emote wheel Well thing is I play on pc and don't own neither playstation four nor xbox one. So not playing this on consoles either way.
Playing devils advocate....
SO you feel that console players would be receptive to not only having to buy a keyboard if they don't own one but then pay for emotes that ZOS wouldn't add prior to text chat?
I just don't see this emote idea for crowns going over well....console crowds or not.
Well I had to buy a Naga Hex, I don't see any problem with asking console players to buy a keyboard. They are already saving a lot of money just by playing it on console anyway.
Saving a lot by playing on console? I own both and don't understand that comment. It's the same cost for the game on either.
Regards to emotes and console....I don't think you fully understand the context.
In short...emotes for crown store only is an issue and something ZOS should never do. Why...it helps to understand both PC and consoles...but as to why anyone would want to be charged for emotes....that blows my mind and is an illogical way to spend crowns. Perhaps if emotes come with doc access via crowns or ESO plus but to me emotes should just be base game patch only at no cost.
Let's not follow Destiny into the ground
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✭✭Why does everyone think that the crown store and bug/performance fixes are done by the same team? Every time I see a post about crown store additions someone has to comment on how they just need to fix the bugs. Its kinda ridiculous.2 -
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✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »Only Trash game like destiny charge for emotes.
Your drunk Wrobel, go home.
Since when does Lead Combat Designer = Crown Store additions?0 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesFLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »KingYogi415 wrote: »Only Trash game like destiny charge for emotes.
Your drunk Wrobel, go home.
Since when does Lead Combat Designer = Crown Store additions?
Since always... didn't you know @FLuFFyxMuFFiN ? Every single person of ZOS is responsible for every aspect of this game... I mean, just look at what they ask Gina Bruno to do... from Cyrodiil Lag to Costumes to Balancing issues. They all do it all!
:rolleyes:Edited by Gidorick on February 20, 2016 9:28PMWhat ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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Thybrinena✭✭✭✭NoThey could do. Nobody has to buy them ofc so why not if it helps generate income? Any amount of fluff like that is fine by me...0
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✭✭NoNot every thing should be a micro transaction unless you want to kill the game.Xbox GT: Rex Umbrah
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Genomic✭✭✭✭✭NoFLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Why does everyone think that the crown store and bug/performance fixes are done by the same team? Every time I see a post about crown store additions someone has to comment on how they just need to fix the bugs. Its kinda ridiculous.
Why do people think dev teams are fixed in stone? If the crown store becomes the primary focus, more devs could be hired for that team (or shifted from other teams) and/or the bug and performance team downsized. This kind of thing happens all the time in business.0 -
Zorrashi✭✭✭✭✭NoMy brain says yet--that emotes are purely cosmetic like costumes and mounts and that it would perfect for the crown store precisely because it has no stat/gameplay effect other than a quirky animation.
But my heart says no. Cash shops already encourage putting a price tag on just about anything, and we as consumers are responsible for speaking out when that attempted monetization goes a bit too far. Emotes (even new ones) are so simple and expected to be included in our default gaming experience that monetizing it feels about the same as ZOS charging us for UI features. It just simply rubs me the wrong way--like if I condone it, I am basically inadvertinently advocating that ZOS puts a price tag on everything with the pixel.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭YesFLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Why does everyone think that the crown store and bug/performance fixes are done by the same team? Every time I see a post about crown store additions someone has to comment on how they just need to fix the bugs. Its kinda ridiculous.
Why do people think dev teams are fixed in stone? If the crown store becomes the primary focus, more devs could be hired for that team (or shifted from other teams) and/or the bug and performance team downsized. This kind of thing happens all the time in business.
So everyone who suggests "they fix XYZ instead" is suggesting they downsize teams (let people go) to hire other people.
I'm just not that cold, man.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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FLuFFyxMuFFiN✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »KingYogi415 wrote: »Only Trash game like destiny charge for emotes.
Your drunk Wrobel, go home.
Since when does Lead Combat Designer = Crown Store additions?
Since always... didn't you know @FLuFFyxMuFFiN ? Every single person of ZOS is responsible for every aspect of this game... I mean, just look at what they ask Gina Bruno to do... from Cyrodiil Lag to Costumes to Balancing issues. They all do it all!
:rolleyes:
Oh my mistake. Ill do better to remember that next time. Again my apologies for being so ignorant on the matter.1 -
bertenburnyb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭No*Sarcasm mode on*
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Genomic✭✭✭✭✭NoFLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Why does everyone think that the crown store and bug/performance fixes are done by the same team? Every time I see a post about crown store additions someone has to comment on how they just need to fix the bugs. Its kinda ridiculous.
Why do people think dev teams are fixed in stone? If the crown store becomes the primary focus, more devs could be hired for that team (or shifted from other teams) and/or the bug and performance team downsized. This kind of thing happens all the time in business.
So everyone who suggests "they fix XYZ instead" is suggesting they downsize teams (let people go) to hire other people.
I'm just not that cold, man.
I'm quite sure ZOS programmers have been moved between dev teams and some teams upsized while others downsized, as the development focus changed. It's just business.0