My friend has become really frustrated with PvP

Islyn · February 2016

A FOAF? SWIM? xD

Johngo0036 · February 2016

@Messy1 - To be honest with you no one here actually has a clue of what the new patch will bring, we all are just speculating and testing a little on PTS but we will only know how good the dlc and changes will be when the DLC has been released and in live for about a month.... then new builds will be out and people will be using new exploits/builds etc.....

Tell your friend to hang in there and try out the improvements when they hit live.. it will be frustrating for all as i am sure we will have to reset champ points, attributes, skills all over again and come up with some new builds....

I am actually excited about the changes coming, YES magelight will make it difficult for NB's but to be honest they deserve it,
before you rant and rave over that i have 2NB's),

Templar got a big nerf to healing, also about time,

sorcs got a little buff to pets and buff to physical resistance a nerf to shields in the cp tree......

the magicka DK got some love.. not much just some

I am pretty sure that there will be a way to actually make good builds yet again...

When IC hit us i was totally irritated by the nerfs my NB got,
but within 2 weeks i had a build that was working for me, yet again..

Xellos77 · February 2016

I think everything should be nerfed.

1) everything does 1HP damage in PvP.
2) Healing does 1HP healing in PvP.
3) Shields absorb 1HP of damage in PvP.
4) Health, Stamina and Magicka regen 1 point/second.
5) Every class has Cloaking.
6) Do away with all armor types except heavy armor; simply merge all armor type abilities into heavy.
7) Add more mounts, costumes and housing.
8) Add furniture and whatnots. Really go the extra mile.
9) Get rid of Argonians.
10) Get rid of Templars.
11) Get rid of Stamina builds.
12) Get rid of Magicka builds.
13) Get rid of builds.
14) Implement Sims: ES Edition.

I would sub this for $1000 per month.

tennant94 · February 2016

Stamina builds need no buffs they've had it easy for long enough

Kwivur · February 2016

Messy1 wrote: »

According to my friend, he is frustrated with PvP and says he will stop playing it until it is fixed.

He is most pissed off with the impending changes to Sorcs that will make them more powerful and the nerfs to Stamina.

My two cents . . . ZOS you guys are coming out with Thieve's Guild DLC, just buff stamina builds for goodness sake. Now is the time!

Tell your FRIEND to start his own thread and to shut the hell up about sorcs.

Molag_Crow · February 2016

In other words "I want to continue playing my 1-2 button Stamina build!" (Surprise Attack / Wrecking Blow spam)

I can't wait til the new DLC patch.

willymchilybily · February 2016

stamina builds "nerf" consists of champion point tree now having physical damage reduction CP. That isn't much of a nerf. In non CP campaigns it will have no impact.

Nb "nerf" consists of improved stealth detection methods but still requires a player slotting radiant mage light. Remember the affect is on "use" of radiant mage light. So its use prevents you from stealthing for 5 seconds. One assumes this affect can still be purged? if so magicka NB suffer very little. Stamina cant purge but the can probably fear and dodge roll, enough to wait the cool down out. being medium armor they aren't made of paper at least.

On the other hand if a magicka NB cant purge then you are in trouble. and probably need shadowy image to break the inital range and try to run away. but they are at a much bigger disadvantage depending on how the system works.

As for sorcs... Being able to dot shields, it is a big weakness for them now. poison injection,. crit rush with maelstrom 2H, axe bleeds, rending slashes if DW, couple the bleeds with the burst you prefer and fear for cc / incapacitating strike to debuff healing they can cast. They may survive the burst better (1 extra hit needed to kill due to CP) but the dots are going to make hardened ward constantly trickle away even as they streak for breathing space.

If you mean elemental being combined with magicka damage, its no different for a melee+bow user whose poision skills are now viable and even more deadly. poison injection is going to be awsome damage now without any loss of other skills. its going to be huge ticks. And i am no longer forced to go for focused aim., so lethal arrow healing debuff for an opener yes please! with my defile debuf i can slot soul harvest now i dont need incap strikes to debuff and my ult regen will rival a DK. its going to be insane!!! oh and sorcs can throw a slightly harder execute when im at 20% range LOL yeah so much to be frustrated over.

All in all i think your friend saw or heard 1 small facet of the changes without experiencing or understanding the overall picture and walked away with a warped view point. if hes frustrated, good maybe he will learn to come on the forums and read the patch notes next time instead of QQing on chat.

Thelon · February 2016

Xeven wrote: »

Please agree to fight me. I'd like to expose how naive you pet fanbois really are.

@Xeven

You want to duel me on my PvE build?

Waseem · February 2016

ZOS cares about selling the ESO game
ZOS cares about selling DLCs
ZOS makes sure that each new player be attracted to buying DLCs aswell
after that, everyone is welcome to quit ESO, money has been taken
have a great time

SkylarkAU · February 2016

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

WTS Git Gud Pots - 2.5k each/200k per stack

Guildy rates pls

sekou_trayvond · February 2016

Impressed

NobleNerd · February 2016

The real issue with PvP is no real and meaningful objectives in Cyrodiil... players are just zerg fighting for AP. Lag, lag & more lag in large scale fights (especially) just ruins most players experience. Constantly getting the gap closer animation lock-down makes you want to smash your keyboard.

If ZOS ever fixes these issues then PvP might be something worth coming back for.

_Ani_ · February 2016

Your friend is overreacting. I am stam DK, always have been, no plans to change. Sure, might have to reevaluate some things but I wouldn't say we got nerfed.

rfennell_ESO · February 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

According to my friend, he is frustrated with PvP and says he will stop playing it until it is fixed.

He is most pissed off with the impending changes to Sorcs that will make them more powerful and the nerfs to Stamina.

My two cents . . . ZOS you guys are coming out with Thieve's Guild DLC, just buff stamina builds for goodness sake. Now is the time!

LOL, Stamina is not being "nerfed".... not in any way, shape or form. Tell your "friend" that his OP gankblade build will still be OP, it just won't be quite as overpowered as it used to be thanks to a couple of Champion System flaws that have finally been fixed.

Heh stamina is 100% absolutely being nerfed, that's in a way with a specific shape and a notable form.

Emma_Overload · February 2016

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

According to my friend, he is frustrated with PvP and says he will stop playing it until it is fixed.

He is most pissed off with the impending changes to Sorcs that will make them more powerful and the nerfs to Stamina.

My two cents . . . ZOS you guys are coming out with Thieve's Guild DLC, just buff stamina builds for goodness sake. Now is the time!

LOL, Stamina is not being "nerfed".... not in any way, shape or form. Tell your "friend" that his OP gankblade build will still be OP, it just won't be quite as overpowered as it used to be thanks to a couple of Champion System flaws that have finally been fixed.

Heh stamina is 100% absolutely being nerfed, that's in a way with a specific shape and a notable form.

How do you figure that? For the first time since the Champion System was created, Magicka and Stamina builds will finally be equally balanced by CP passives. You call that a nerf? Did you really think it was fair that your Wrecking Blows were hitting for 13K on a Sorc whose Frags were only hitting you for 8K, even though the two builds were similarly specced?

rfennell_ESO · February 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

According to my friend, he is frustrated with PvP and says he will stop playing it until it is fixed.

He is most pissed off with the impending changes to Sorcs that will make them more powerful and the nerfs to Stamina.

My two cents . . . ZOS you guys are coming out with Thieve's Guild DLC, just buff stamina builds for goodness sake. Now is the time!

LOL, Stamina is not being "nerfed".... not in any way, shape or form. Tell your "friend" that his OP gankblade build will still be OP, it just won't be quite as overpowered as it used to be thanks to a couple of Champion System flaws that have finally been fixed.

Heh stamina is 100% absolutely being nerfed, that's in a way with a specific shape and a notable form.

How do you figure that? For the first time since the Champion System was created, Magicka and Stamina builds will finally be equally balanced by CP passives. You call that a nerf? Did you really think it was fair that your Wrecking Blows were hitting for 13K on a Sorc whose Frags were only hitting you for 8K, even though the two builds were similarly specced?

The way I figure it is that regardless of why the change was made, and I agree with the why btw.

The fact is that stamina now versus stamina thieves guild will be weaker.

That's a nerf, it's not ambiguous.

sirrmattus · February 2016

THERE IS NOTHING TO DO IN CYRODIL THAT IS WHY

DurzoBlint13 · February 2016

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

Why doesnt your friend come post himself if hes so frustrated

Because he's only been playing for two days and doesn't know how to forums yet.

two days!?!?! LMAO come back when he has a clue! What is his nightblade at, level 20? ggs

Artjuh90 · February 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

According to my friend, he is frustrated with PvP and says he will stop playing it until it is fixed.

He is most pissed off with the impending changes to Sorcs that will make them more powerful and the nerfs to Stamina.

My two cents . . . ZOS you guys are coming out with Thieve's Guild DLC, just buff stamina builds for goodness sake. Now is the time!

LOL, Stamina is not being "nerfed".... not in any way, shape or form. Tell your "friend" that his OP gankblade build will still be OP, it just won't be quite as overpowered as it used to be thanks to a couple of Champion System flaws that have finally been fixed.

stamina has been nerfed several times already. and now with how the CP tree's are build they are screwed once more. we have to split our offensive points more meaning we will do less damage in the end and the ss crit resist sorc can just do max damage with max defense

kyle.wilson · February 2016

Currently I find that stam builds outnumber magicka builds by multiples to 1.

The only "nerf" I saw for stam builds was the reduction in Steel tornado from 12.5m to 9m, Which is inline with all other mass aoe. But, the damage is getting buffed. And, the dark cloak changes that prevent removing aoe dot.
But, the nerf to cloak was caused by the magicka nbs that would run around keeps keeping cloak up the entire time. Streak took a massive hit when the cost stacked, same as the infinite roll dodgers or sword and board blockers stam regen. So it shouldn't have been a surprise to see changes in the cloak system. Mostly because of the change to magelight.

But many of the champ point changes I see are aimed more towards being anti sorc. The damage bonus v shielded opponents plus a shield breaker set will have many complaints, I foresee.

I do look forward to seeing if zennimax wil go forward on changing the stam dk abilities to poison instead of fire. to align it better in the champ point system.

rfennell_ESO · February 2016

kyle.wilson wrote: »

The only "nerf" I saw for stam builds was the reduction in Steel tornado from 12.5m to 9m, Which is inline with all other mass aoe.

I guess you missed the one where all stamina builds doing physical damage take an up to 25% reduction in damage.

Reeko · February 2016

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

The only "nerf" I saw for stam builds was the reduction in Steel tornado from 12.5m to 9m, Which is inline with all other mass aoe.

I guess you missed the one where all stamina builds doing physical damage take an up to 25% reduction in damage.

Thats a balance/fix not a nerf. Everyone had access to magicka dmg reduction but not physical? Thats just silly.

rfennell_ESO · February 2016

Reeko wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

The only "nerf" I saw for stam builds was the reduction in Steel tornado from 12.5m to 9m, Which is inline with all other mass aoe.

I guess you missed the one where all stamina builds doing physical damage take an up to 25% reduction in damage.

Thats a balance/fix not a nerf. Everyone had access to magicka dmg reduction but not physical? Thats just silly.

So, what you are saying is that stamina won't be doing less damage?

Because if stamina is doing less damage after this change it's most certainly and absolutely a nerf to stamina.

Just because it's a "balance" fix doesn't mean it isn't a nerf. Are Stamina abilities being raised to account for in any way, shape or form? No, so the only outcome is stamina will be weaker.

When magic damage reduction was added with champion system everything was balanced in a new patch with just about every single ability being reworked numbers-wise.

This is a change well after that fact with zero balance passes on stamina abilities to account for it.

DannyLV702 · February 2016

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

Why doesnt your friend come post himself if hes so frustrated

Because he's only been playing for two days and doesn't know how to forums yet.

two days!?!?! LMAO come back when he has a clue! What is his nightblade at, level 20? ggs

I just made that up wtf lol didn't think people would believe me

Wolverton808b14_ESO · February 2016

It's not surprising to find gullible people in these forums. And as far as I can see, the CP system fixes are great. What ISN'T great is that everyone is dumb enough to say "I play this my way, I play this other class this way so the way YOU play is irrelevant." Get over yourself. The CP fixes are good, what they need to get rid of is this damned Shield Breaker set because it's ***. (Sorry for language). And now I look around and see half the server rerolling as a Sorc to use the one-shot-willy magicka det build? And on top of trying to release the Vicious Death craft set ONLY viable for magicka users, JUST like Shield Breaker was ONLY viable for stam users? That's no good. That's not fixing or balancing PvP. That...that is broken. As far as gank build goes? I use Willow's Path and I played a NB since BETA. YES, we're getting nerfed. So for the angry sorcs out there, I'm not against you guys. I'm against dumbing down PvP with armor sets. I'm the one who is frustrated, and I didn't ask for this post to be put up, so pop your shields and walk away with your chip on your shoulders against NBs until you understand that this is about avoiding the dumbing down of PvP. You might also notice I don't have whatever stars or what have you next to my name because I don't waste my time in here all too much with people who claim L2P but can't even hold their own. If you are all for keeping Shield Breaker and Vicious death sets to dumb down all PvP into one-trick-pony builds, by all means to each their own, right? On that note, I'll leave you guys to it with your spam heal biting jab predictable rotation for templars, lightning dash shield stack predictable sorc rotation, fire whip dragon leap predictable rotation on DKs, and surprise attack wrecking blow predictable rotations for NB. Phew, end rant. Peace and love.

Waffennacht · February 2016

Wolverton808b14_ESO wrote: »

It's not surprising to find gullible people in these forums. And as far as I can see, the CP system fixes are great. What ISN'T great is that everyone is dumb enough to say "I play this my way, I play this other class this way so the way YOU play is irrelevant." Get over yourself. The CP fixes are good, what they need to get rid of is this damned Shield Breaker set because it's ***. (Sorry for language). And now I look around and see half the server rerolling as a Sorc to use the one-shot-willy magicka det build? And on top of trying to release the Vicious Death craft set ONLY viable for magicka users, JUST like Shield Breaker was ONLY viable for stam users? That's no good. That's not fixing or balancing PvP. That...that is broken. As far as gank build goes? I use Willow's Path and I played a NB since BETA. YES, we're getting nerfed. So for the angry sorcs out there, I'm not against you guys. I'm against dumbing down PvP with armor sets. I'm the one who is frustrated, and I didn't ask for this post to be put up, so pop your shields and walk away with your chip on your shoulders against NBs until you understand that this is about avoiding the dumbing down of PvP. You might also notice I don't have whatever stars or what have you next to my name because I don't waste my time in here all too much with people who claim L2P but can't even hold their own. If you are all for keeping Shield Breaker and Vicious death sets to dumb down all PvP into one-trick-pony builds, by all means to each their own, right? On that note, I'll leave you guys to it with your spam heal biting jab predictable rotation for templars, lightning dash shield stack predictable sorc rotation, fire whip dragon leap predictable rotation on DKs, and surprise attack wrecking blow predictable rotations for NB. Phew, end rant. Peace and love.

Vicious death only works against multiple players, it's wasted against a single player, which means you're in a group setting, which means individual skill stats etc... don't matter. Group play is single handedly the most dumb downed combat ever. So I disregard anything to do with that.

Second, how freaking stupid would combat be without armor, or new armor? Mortal Kombat anyone?

Adding something that may hinder your build is not a nerf. A nerf specifically is the reduction of usefulness of an ability no matter the context. Adding a healing set is not a nerf to dps as an example.

Stam did not get nerfed, your ability does the exact same amount of damage, some players (like it is now) just may mitigate it.

You say magicka got a boost? Im gonna guess that this reduction will benefit stam build vs stam build more, as mitigation only occurs after a shield is down, and at least for sorcs, no shield means death. We will still drop all 100 into Bastion then other mitigation. A stam can drop more CP into anti phys and anti magicka than we can or will.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · February 2016

You ever get half way through a thread and say to yourself, 'why am I still reading this? Oh well might as well get to the end and post something stupid.'

No? Me either.

FriedEggSandwich · February 2016

DannyLV702 wrote: »

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

Why doesnt your friend come post himself if hes so frustrated

Because he's only been playing for two days and doesn't know how to forums yet.

two days!?!?! LMAO come back when he has a clue! What is his nightblade at, level 20? ggs

I just made that up wtf lol didn't think people would believe me

lol people took that and ran with it. It's now a fact that he's only been playing for 2 days. OMG he's only been playing for 2 days!?! xD

Wolverton808b14_ESO · February 2016

So just to try and clear things up, what I'm reading is "Shut up about sorcs" "Hang in there" "Stamina isn't nerfed unless abilities get sucky, but disregard the fact aoe stam is weakened" and "Group play is dumb but it's cool if I blow all your friends up single handedly". Just to add to it, I do want to mention that EVERYultimate other than dragon leap is magicka based. So...magicka users that use magicka det build basically have 3 ults on hand, and all stam users other than DK is biting the dust with weak ults. Any feedback on this? Id love to hear how much of an advantage stam users really do have against most odds and 90% of the ults, cause its looking pretty grim for the newer players coming in. Looks like major grief incoming.

Messy1 · February 2016

Wolverton808b14_ESO wrote: »

So just to try and clear things up, what I'm reading is "Shut up about sorcs" "Hang in there" "Stamina isn't nerfed unless abilities get sucky, but disregard the fact aoe stam is weakened" and "Group play is dumb but it's cool if I blow all your friends up single handedly". Just to add to it, I do want to mention that EVERYultimate other than dragon leap is magicka based. So...magicka users that use magicka det build basically have 3 ults on hand, and all stam users other than DK is biting the dust with weak ults. Any feedback on this? Id love to hear how much of an advantage stam users really do have against most odds and 90% of the ults, cause its looking pretty grim for the newer players coming in. Looks like major grief incoming.

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