Argonian Amphibious passive rework.

Barrel-Kai · February 2016

So a LOT of people think that the amphibous passive (and argonians in general) are underpowered right now,
ZOS also once said that the argonians were supposed to be the guerilla warroirs of the pact so I came up with two ideas that I think would fit that a bit better.

Suggestion 1
Amphibious
(Passive Skill)
Rank I: Increases swim speed by 50%.
Rank II: Gain stealth (not invisibilty but stealth) while swimming.
Rank III: Can use dash and blink type abilities while swimming

Suggestion 2
Amphibious
(Passive Skill)
Increases swim speed by 50% and can now "sprint" while swimming.
Entering a pool of water while out of combat will grant invisibilty untill you leave the water or get revealed.
Also health, Stamina and Magica regeneration by.
Rank I: 20% while swimming.
Rank II: 35% while swimming.
Rank III: 50% while swimming.

So what do you think of the ideas? Feel free to leave your own ideas in the comments

Barrel-Kai · February 2016

Barrel-Kai wrote: »

Also health, Stamina and Magica regeneration by.
Rank I: 20% while swimming.
Rank II: 35% while swimming.
Rank III: 50% while swimming.

I made a grammatic error here, whoops "Also increases"

Jar_Ek · February 2016

Not very useful as cryodiil water is normally deadly and you don't swim in dungeons, trials, combat, sewers,... Basically takes the single worst passive element and multiples the pain.

Barrel-Kai · February 2016

Jar_Ek wrote: »

Not very useful as cryodiil water is normally deadly and you don't swim in dungeons, trials, combat, sewers,... Basically takes the single worst passive element and multiples the pain.

Goodpoint actually

Jar_Ek · February 2016

Not very useful as cryodiil water is normally deadly and you don't swim in dungeons, trials, combat, sewers,... Basically takes the single worst passive element and multiples the pain.

Dread_Guy · February 2016

"one with the fishes" slaughterfish ignore you at rank 3

Dracan_Fontom · February 2016

These ideas are not that impressive and that is coming from a player who also mains as an Argonian.

A better passive might be to Increase Magicka and Stamina regen by 5% period. Heck maybe even 5% max magicka and Stamina. I would love to laugh at min makers then if this happened.

DarkMasterJMK · February 2016

There's a pretty good chance that the "Amphibious" passive will be removed completely and be replaced with something entirely different that provides effects that people actually want. Something that won't involve "faster swimming speed" or swimming in general at all.

Of course, it's possible they might keep the swim speed half and change the other half, too. I just think it's a little more likely that they will get rid of the swim speed upgrade altogether as part of the marketing for the eventual "big announcement of the racial rebalancing patch for the Barber Shop".

RAGUNAnoOne · February 2016

DarkMasterJMK wrote: »

There's a pretty good chance that the "Amphibious" passive will be removed completely and be replaced with something entirely different that provides effects that people actually want. Something that won't involve "faster swimming speed" or swimming in general at all.

Of course, it's possible they might keep the swim speed half and change the other half, too. I just think it's a little more likely that they will get rid of the swim speed upgrade altogether as part of the marketing for the eventual "big announcement of the racial rebalancing patch for the Barber Shop".

No it is more likely they will nerf the swimming and leave the stupid potion crap...I have given upon ZOS ever making argonians decent at this rate.

FullBlownBeast · February 2016

There are going to buff the potion restoration to 12% in next PTS patch. This supposedly makes it equivalent to 10% regen if you pop a potion every 60 seconds and better if every 45 seconds. I don't know what numbers they used to determine this (max stam/health/magicka, health/magicka/stamina recovery amounts, etc.)

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2016

FullBlownBeast wrote: »

There are going to buff the potion restoration to 12% in next PTS patch. This supposedly makes it equivalent to 10% regen if you pop a potion every 60 seconds and better if every 45 seconds. I don't know what numbers they used to determine this (max stam/health/magicka, health/magicka/stamina recovery amounts, etc.)

The problem with this passive is if you are not in water and how often are you in water it's useless and if your not popping potions every minute you get nothing.

Having to swim or drink a potion to use a passive is not right no matter how you work it.

ryanborror · February 2016

Barrel-Kai wrote: »

So a LOT of people think that the amphibous passive (and argonians in general) are underpowered right now,
ZOS also once said that the argonians were supposed to be the guerilla warroirs of the pact so I came up with two ideas that I think would fit that a bit better.

Suggestion 1
Amphibious
(Passive Skill)
Rank I: Increases swim speed by 50%.
Rank II: Gain stealth (not invisibilty but stealth) while swimming.
Rank III: Can use dash and blink type abilities while swimming

Suggestion 2
Amphibious
(Passive Skill)
Increases swim speed by 50% and can now "sprint" while swimming.
Entering a pool of water while out of combat will grant invisibilty untill you leave the water or get revealed.
Also health, Stamina and Magica regeneration by.
Rank I: 20% while swimming.
Rank II: 35% while swimming.
Rank III: 50% while swimming.

So what do you think of the ideas? Feel free to leave your own ideas in the comments

These are decent ideas but ultimately a waste of time. All the other niche racial abilities from previous games are gone yet argonians still have this useless swim passive. I don't think they need any more regen Passives. The problem with argonians and nords is that they lack anything that helps with damage which is why no one plays them. With this though, you could play either magic or Stam somewhat inconsequentially but it'd be nice to see a passive maybe that favors both like an increase max Stam and magic like dark elves have or a small buff to weapon and spell damage/critical/crit strike damage. Or something unique like bonus damage against other players or increase food effectiveness along with potions

Xvorg · February 2016

ZOs is obsessed with the hist sap (lore?), for that reason try to keep us drinking potions, but the effect is far away from what the sap already does...

If they want to keep the sap lore, they should give major Fortitude, Intellect, Endurance and Heroism for 45secs (or more) after you drink a potion. Then they could do something similar to what the lore says about the hist sap. Any other idea around drinking pots is just time lost...

FriedEggSandwich · February 2016

DarkMasterJMK wrote: »

There's a pretty good chance that the "Amphibious" passive will be removed completely and be replaced with something entirely different that provides effects that people actually want. Something that won't involve "faster swimming speed" or swimming in general at all.

Of course, it's possible they might keep the swim speed half and change the other half, too. I just think it's a little more likely that they will get rid of the swim speed upgrade altogether as part of the marketing for the eventual "big announcement of the racial rebalancing patch for the Barber Shop".

In the latest eso live Wrobel seemed to think that the swimspeed would always be with argonians but it would stop being considered as a boon, as in it would be a "given" and not factored in with future rebalances of the class passives.

AKSb16_ESO2 · February 2016

Barrel-Kai wrote: »

So a LOT of people think that the amphibous passive (and argonians in general) are underpowered right now,
ZOS also once said that the argonians were supposed to be the guerilla warroirs of the pact so I came up with two ideas that I think would fit that a bit better.

Suggestion 1
Amphibious
(Passive Skill)
Rank I: Increases swim speed by 50%.
Rank II: Gain stealth (not invisibilty but stealth) while swimming.
Rank III: Can use dash and blink type abilities while swimming

Suggestion 2
Amphibious
(Passive Skill)
Increases swim speed by 50% and can now "sprint" while swimming.
Entering a pool of water while out of combat will grant invisibilty untill you leave the water or get revealed.
Also health, Stamina and Magica regeneration by.
Rank I: 20% while swimming.
Rank II: 35% while swimming.
Rank III: 50% while swimming.

So what do you think of the ideas? Feel free to leave your own ideas in the comments

What about not "while swimming" but "while it's raining." ^^

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2016

I don't see why anyone here still cares about this. For two years we have called for the swim speed to be changed for useful changes for a year we asked for the potion nerf to undone them to be removed all together. We called for the healing received to be healing done and received.

In all of this what did we get same swim speed, more health and more healing received. ZoS has heard this in every way it could have been said from the people that play the race and want it to be better.

They describe us as a race the Mastered Gorilla tactics and are experts with both blades and magic.
We have zero magic or blade buffing passives, no passive that make us "better" at gorilla warfare.

Face it they don't care stop getting new players/new members of the forums hopes up we have screamed in to the Void for two years. We were promised a Thieves Guild race rebalance

Mojmir · February 2016

Need a camoflage passive and a poison increase for argonian

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

I don't see why anyone here still cares about this. For two years we have called for the swim speed to be changed for useful changes for a year we asked for the potion nerf to undone them to be removed all together. We called for the healing received to be healing done and received.

In all of this what did we get same swim speed, more health and more healing received. ZoS has heard this in every way it could have been said from the people that play the race and want it to be better.

They describe us as a race the Mastered Gorilla tactics and are experts with both blades and magic.
We have zero magic or blade buffing passives, no passive that make us "better" at gorilla warfare.

Face it they don't care stop getting new players/new members of the forums hopes up we have screamed in to the Void for two years. We were promised a Thieves Guild race rebalance

I don't mind the healing received thing, but I think that to suit theme they should give Argonians no + to max stats, but instead give them something like +20% Stamina Regen, +20% Magicka Regen, and +30% Health Regen, along with Poison Resist, Disease Resist, Healing Received, and Swim suit. Voila. That's simple and fits argonian theme, and useful to anyone, dps, tank or heals.

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

Need a camoflage passive and a poison increase for argonian

This is another good alternative.

hrothbern · February 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

I don't see why anyone here still cares about this. For two years we have called for the swim speed to be changed for useful changes for a year we asked for the potion nerf to undone them to be removed all together. We called for the healing received to be healing done and received.

In all of this what did we get same swim speed, more health and more healing received. ZoS has heard this in every way it could have been said from the people that play the race and want it to be better.

They describe us as a race the Mastered Gorilla tactics and are experts with both blades and magic.
We have zero magic or blade buffing passives, no passive that make us "better" at gorilla warfare.

Face it they don't care stop getting new players/new members of the forums hopes up we have screamed in to the Void for two years. We were promised a Thieves Guild race rebalance

I don't mind the healing received thing, but I think that to suit theme they should give Argonians no + to max stats, but instead give them something like +20% Stamina Regen, +20% Magicka Regen, and +30% Health Regen, along with Poison Resist, Disease Resist, Healing Received, and Swim suit. Voila. That's simple and fits argonian theme, and useful to anyone, dps, tank or heals.

agree

and if ZOS will nerf the benefits of scaling effects of a big Mag / Stam pool, all these +Health pool give aways for Nord and Argonian will be of less value anyway