I also don't understand what it has to do with anything. The reason they have so much AP IS BECAUSE THEY PVPED SO MUCH. Meaning they have already earned it!

Just because it wasn't purchased day one doesn't mean you didn't work for it.

Played since beta. Mostly as a subscriber until couple months back. I want to love this game again. I want to resub. But I feel like every time I get interested to throw money at ZOS Wrobel gets in the way and shatters my will to resub... Please recategorize his job. Make him the janitor, if you can't outright fire him for incompetence.

I can count my own AP on one hand, but I stand in solidarity with PvPers on this issue...

I've never seen ZOS be so plain WRONG about something. They're basically reneging on the social contract between players and gamemasters!

The logic is:

"We don't want them to have the gear instantly, so they have a reason to play, therefore we made it where there is no gear"

Or better yet, "the reason you played before is the reason you wont play now, so you are motivated to play..."

Brilliant!

I don't have any AP (max I have on a character is 200k) but I have close to 300 keys (200 purple, 100 blues). Just because I don't need anything in the chests anymore, so I have been keeping my keys, just in case.
So yeah, I totally understand people who have a lot of AP and find this system punishing

Maybe Wrobel shouldn't have made everything related to AP pointless for six months, and we wouldn't have all this AP stored up. I could understand receiving higher quality versions of v16 gear from rewards for the worthy, but to leave that as the only way is just making the problem worse.

Another solution to preventing AP hoarders (instead of asinine AP caps) = Make tempering alloys, kutas, etc purchasable with a reasonable amount of AP

lordrichter wrote: »

I have come to realize that Wrobel apparently loves to discuss different theories about how to do things. He seems to be one of those people that can just dive into a discussion on some game play idea as a brain storming exercise, everything on the table. While he seems to find various different ideas interesting, I don't think it means he is going to do them all. It is wise to not get freaked out over theory ideas he talks about until he starts talking about what is actually going into the game.

I can see where they are coming from with using stored AP to purchase sets. From their perspective, it looks like they do not want people with large amounts of AP stored up to get rapid access to everything they are selling. This is like a spring suddenly releasing. They are probably looking for ways to slow things down.

For two years, people in the community have been asking for more visibility into what ZOS is thinking about and to be able to discuss the game at a higher level, and Wrobel seems to be open to that. We get a lot of comments from Devs saying what they have decided to do, but on the most recent ESO Live, Wrobel went well past that by discussing things that have not been decided. This is exactly what people have been clamoring for since launch, and it is an opportunity to provide input to Wrobel about things that have not yet been decided.

Don't waste it.

Ppl aren't waisting anything. You just laid out why his thoughts drive the reactions and because of that reasoning....the responses should be read by ZOS. If it's just open dialogue then...read our replies as such.

The issue tho, it's not just open dialogue. He point blank is saying they won't do XYZ because ppl have a lot of AP.
Look at our comments. Some are saying they will never gain a lot of AP. Others have a ton and aren't spending it cause they have max items. His logic is to make the high AP folks feel penalized and have to start a new climb. Well looking at Tel Var stones, those who have tons of AP, also have tons of TV stones.

They have tons of AP cause that currency hasn't had any value for months and the last two DLC's.
TV was introduced in IC and after you get max items or gear you don't need to spend anymore so you end up with lots or you use them to buy and resale mats and such for tons of gold.

Now you have vMSA so some PvPers jumped in and now have tons of AP, TV, vMSA items and millions of gold.
So when Wrobel suggests and commits to not adding something to use any of those currencies on because he thinks it only keeps top players at the top by buying new stuff and later he suggests they would be bored....WTH does he think is going on now since IC?

Listen. I don't PvP but I play the game and understand supply and demand. The game does not need to keep doing this crazy logic. Add items for AP, every month and major changes each DLC which over time creates reasons to keep spending AP.
That is one way to alleviate the stacking of any currency. Do this for AP, gold and TV each month and major changes each DLC.

It's not a complicated thing and it also keeps the core game going while offering new adventures via DLC therefore the PvP continues as well as PvE and negates the need to penalize any currency group.

I'm not a dev and don't have all the answers but his logic is doing nothing but building more problems and alleviating none of what he says he's concerned about. Ppl complain about RNG and then you see and hear this....no wonder ppl are stacking stuff.

Dude doesn't even seem to play the game he works on so it comes off as if he's a noob. Sure he talks a good bit about understanding pepper stats but he's clueless of cause and effect.

ku5h wrote: »

Obviously he has no idea whats he doing! His solution for ppl having to much AP hoarded is, not giving them anything to spend it on, so the hoard grows even bigger. The problem just grows. One guy suggested expiration on AP. Are you f.... soft in the head. How about expiration on your gold and mats, ha?!" Dont give them anymore bright ideas pls.

Just as a side not, when they introduced that monster helms are are going to be sold in Cyro for "crap load of AP", someone made a tread how much that "crap load" should be. General consensus was about 600k up to over 1M AP. And what they do put them in for 200k, so now i can buy every tipe in every trate. And why did they do that, someone might ask himself? Well they did it so some random Jack who plays 1hr a week wont have to "grind" for a year to get it. Shame where this game is going, damn shame...

Well hold on. The game should work for average Jane or Bob too.
Now...the currency should be tiered in ways that better items cost more based on existing max qualities.
The problem comes when you suggest something should cost more....well that's the Wroble logic cause he doesn't want players with tons to be maxed. You follow?

ku5h wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ku5h wrote: »

Obviously he has no idea whats he doing! His solution for ppl having to much AP hoarded is, not giving them anything to spend it on, so the hoard grows even bigger. The problem just grows. One guy suggested expiration on AP. Are you f.... soft in the head. How about expiration on your gold and mats, ha?!" Dont give them anymore bright ideas pls.

Just as a side not, when they introduced that monster helms are are going to be sold in Cyro for "crap load of AP", someone made a tread how much that "crap load" should be. General consensus was about 600k up to over 1M AP. And what they do put them in for 200k, so now i can buy every tipe in every trate. And why did they do that, someone might ask himself? Well they did it so some random Jack who plays 1hr a week wont have to "grind" for a year to get it. Shame where this game is going, damn shame...

Well hold on. The game should work for average Jane or Bob too.
Now...the currency should be tiered in ways that better items cost more based on existing max qualities.
The problem comes when you suggest something should cost more....well that's the Wroble logic cause he doesn't want players with tons to be maxed. You follow?

No, I dont follow. You dont want me to be maxed, who spent 100s of hrs in PvP, because some guy that plays for 1 hr wont be maxed to. Well fit that is their logic i can quit playing right now.

No.
My logic is you should be maxed on cause you put in the time. BUT the guy who plays 1 hour a day should be able to buy 2-3 pieces at their rate of play. The price shouldn't be at the current or higher cause the idea is to keep players spending AP/TV

If the game offers new things to buy 12 times a year on a frequency of once per month, you with tons of AP will eventually spend out. The person who doesn't play as often will have 1 piece of this, 1 piece of that being mix matched but continuing to be viable because he's buying the same set but each month, the stats change for PvP.
With this logic, please understand that I also feel that skills should have PvP effects that differ in PvE for those same exact skills.

This rectifies the AP, TV problems and encourages those who play 1 hour a day to play more. Maybe they can't but others can so it begins to motivate players to play more so they can earn rewards and offers the PvP/PvE players a reward system as well that can utilize TV/AP/Gold currencies all through one vendor instead of splitting items by vendor and by currency.

Make sense?

I saved up all my mats and crafted golden Julianos v16 set as soon as the Orsinium hit. I don't understand the logic.

Koopa wrote: »

People have tons of AP because they never gave us anything worth spending it on. If they had updated v14 sets when they pushed us to v16 we might not have this problem. I don't see this as a problem with players not spending ap, but on ZOS never giving people a reason to spend it.

Basically you're saying. ZOS. Do your jobs and stop making excuses

Lol he seriously said that? Why am I not surprised XD
It's so stupid yet so typical to ZOS it's funny in a bitter sort of way. I guess by now we should take it for granted that the people who actually play the game and do content and stuff will eventually be punished for it and put at a disadvantage/"even" field with new players(no disrespect meant to new players but yes, I just think if a person played PvP for hours every day, participated in hundreds of keep taking/defences, helped crown emperors etc etc etc he should have some reward for it compared to the person who just came to Cyrodiil yesterday for the first time ever).

I mean c'mon, how many times did they promise us they'd backtrack out experience and whatnot and...yeah. Their logic is literally "we don't want people to feel rewarded for playing the game as it might make someone else feel bad about not being rewarded" or something.

On a side note, I barely have any AP and this doesn't concern me in any way but that just seems so dumb. That won't encourage people to go and farm moar, that'll (further) discourage people to play the game which purposefully takes away the sense of reward and accomplishment.

lordrichter wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ppl aren't waisting anything. You just laid out why his thoughts drive the reactions and because of that reasoning....the responses should be read by ZOS. If it's just open dialogue then...read our replies as such.

The issue tho, it's not just open dialogue. He point blank is saying they won't do XYZ because ppl have a lot of AP.
Look at our comments. Some are saying they will never gain a lot of AP. Others have a ton and aren't spending it cause they have max items. His logic is to make the high AP folks feel penalized and have to start a new climb. Well looking at Tel Var stones, those who have tons of AP, also have tons of TV stones.

They have tons of AP cause that currency hasn't had any value for months and the last two DLC's.
TV was introduced in IC and after you get max items or gear you don't need to spend anymore so you end up with lots or you use them to buy and resale mats and such for tons of gold.

Now you have vMSA so some PvPers jumped in and now have tons of AP, TV, vMSA items and millions of gold.
So when Wrobel suggests and commits to not adding something to use any of those currencies on because he thinks it only keeps top players at the top by buying new stuff and later he suggests they would be bored....WTH does he think is going on now since IC?

Listen. I don't PvP but I play the game and understand supply and demand. The game does not need to keep doing this crazy logic. Add items for AP, every month and major changes each DLC which over time creates reasons to keep spending AP.
That is one way to alleviate the stacking of any currency. Do this for AP, gold and TV each month and major changes each DLC.

It's not a complicated thing and it also keeps the core game going while offering new adventures via DLC therefore the PvP continues as well as PvE and negates the need to penalize any currency group.

I'm not a dev and don't have all the answers but his logic is doing nothing but building more problems and alleviating none of what he says he's concerned about. Ppl complain about RNG and then you see and hear this....no wonder ppl are stacking stuff.

Personally, I just think they should put the new gear in there and make it very expensive. They can tune this per player demographics as new stuff is added, but newly available stuff should be at a premium. When newer stuff comes in, drop the cost on the older stuff to a more normal price. Soak the rich with an early adopter tax. Not ideal, but better than a number of other ideas.

I don't know if they can add items for AP on a regular basis, like monthly. Before the Crown Store, I would say that they could. With the Crown Store focus, they probably would be challenged to do this.

No.

The items that exists now....bump it up a little. Many are just now updated from VR14, etc.

Think of it this way.
If we still had VR levels to climb on DLC roll outs.

DLC hits....and it's VR18.
Month one you get new VR17 gear with better stats blues and purples.
Month two you get VR17 - VR18 gear with better stats blues and purples.
Month three you get Vr 17-18 gear with better stats purple and yellow.


Keep the cycling going. It's not new stuff in the game. It's new vendor stuff so that this system doesn't negate crafting gear and sets but it does provide a progression for ppl that if you PvP only, there are rewards.

The price should never change and this creates a "season" concept for PvP

This same logic should occur in PvE but they need to scrap the undaunted keys and award a currency.

Make sense?