People who bash on this game, but still continue to play it

Mojmir · February 2016

im sorry but how many different ways would you like to hear "toppling charge needs fixing" and "Lag is terrible in cyrodiil". if any boss or manager I knew had the same complaint repeatedly, desks would be empty. in my line of work, this kind of nonsense wouldn't last a month.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · February 2016

My opinion constructive criticism is well worth it. Imagine if they had listened to people about IC. It wouldnt be the trainwreck it is.

khele23eb17_ESO · February 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

im sorry but how many different ways would you like to hear "toppling charge needs fixing" and "Lag is terrible in cyrodiil". if any boss or manager I knew had the same complaint repeatedly, desks would be empty. in my line of work, this kind of nonsense wouldn't last a month.

As far as lag goes it might just be beyond their capabilities to fix it without rewriting half the game's code which probably wouldnt be cost effective.

izJordy · February 2016

people who complain about the wrecking blow ability in pvp but continues to pvp non stop (like me)

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

there is no rule to criticism, it takes many forms. it happens in public and private, and its also about how you take and what you do with it. In this case, they choose to ignore it, that too me deserves no respect. it is art, but lets be honest,its no picasso and a certain dev needs to get over himself.

Let's agree to disagree on ALL of your points, really.
Happens sometimes.

Thats the point though,u listened and responded regardless of the critisms tone.

Unless I missed something, your post was respectful to me, though in disagreement. Which is why I can hear it and "respond" to it. Although "let's agree to disagree" is not actually a response, just a respectful way to choose not to discuss things further. If you or/and me were part of a decision-making process that would involve this issue, I certainly would discuss it deeper, but we're not.

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Gidorick · February 2016

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

Is this a real post?

Forums are for a lot of things, including feedback and criticism from the very people that PAID for the game.. So.. Yeah...

Oh it's real.

So is the Order of ZOS, The Hoy Knights of Zenimax, who yield their Blades of Discourse while donning their Armor of Unabashed Zeal in their never-ending crusade to ensure the righteous name of the infallible and eternally tenable Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited be only revered and praised and never criticized or denounced. As long as they watch over the vanilla lands of these fair forums, there will always be those who will defend the honor of the ESO: TU so that it's light may shine ever so brightly. May all who stare into that light feel the delirium of unwavering joy and awe as they stand in it's never-ending transcendence.

Mojmir · February 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

im sorry but how many different ways would you like to hear "toppling charge needs fixing" and "Lag is terrible in cyrodiil". if any boss or manager I knew had the same complaint repeatedly, desks would be empty. in my line of work, this kind of nonsense wouldn't last a month.

As far as lag goes it might just be beyond their capabilities to fix it without rewriting half the game's code which probably wouldnt be cost effective.

those are just examples, one of the biggest issues is communication, if you don't have that you have no

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

there is no rule to criticism, it takes many forms. it happens in public and private, and its also about how you take and what you do with it. In this case, they choose to ignore it, that too me deserves no respect. it is art, but lets be honest,its no picasso and a certain dev needs to get over himself.

Let's agree to disagree on ALL of your points, really.
Happens sometimes.

Thats the point though,u listened and responded regardless of the critisms tone.

Unless I missed something, your post was respectful to me, though in disagreement. Which is why I can hear it and "respond" to it. Although "let's agree to disagree" is not actually a response, just a respectful way to choose not to discuss things further. If you or/and me were part of a decision-making process that would involve this issue, I certainly would discuss it deeper, but we're not.

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Gidorick wrote: »

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

Is this a real post?

Forums are for a lot of things, including feedback and criticism from the very people that PAID for the game.. So.. Yeah...

Oh it's real.

So is the Order of ZOS, The Hoy Knights of Zenimax, who yield their Blades of Discourse while donning their Armor of Unabashed Zeal in their never-ending crusade to ensure the righteous name of the infallible and eternally tenable Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited be only revered and praised and never criticized or denounced. As long as they watch over the vanilla lands of these fair forums, there will always be those who will defend the honor of the ESO: TU so that it's light may shine ever so brightly. May all who stare into that light feel the delirium of unwavering joy and awe as they stand in it's never-ending transcendence.

im stealing this lol

Tavore1138 · February 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

People play because the game at it's heart is an enjoyable online RPG.

People criticise because there are things in the game that do not work as intended - do you advocate that people just keep quiet about that? Or are you one of those that feels that if people do not like having a skill not working or lag in PvP they should simply go away and stop playing?

People also suggest things they would like to see changed or added that would enhance their playing experience - some of these ideas are great, some are OK and some are appalling... but again why is it a bad thing that people suggest things?

At what point in time did companies persuade some people that being a paying consumer meant just shutting up and dealing with something not being as advertised? Generations of consumer rights advocates are spinning in their graves...

There are three main issues here :
- There's a difference between criticizing and bashing / insulting.
- There's a difference between suggesting and demanding / requesting. ZOS has a vision for this game, and people should respect that. I see it as a wonder of technology but also as a piece of art, because there is a vision behind it.
- There's a difference between being a customer and being a boss.

People not understanding these three differences are the ones who dig the grave of consumers's rights. Noone else.

1. I'd actually just single out insulting here - while sometimes understandable in the heat of the moment, and not being immune to doing it myself on occasion, it is generally not helpful. Criticising and bashing are two sides of the same coin.
2. People are welcome to respect someone's vision or not as they choose - respect cannot be demanded it has to be earned by having a vision that makes sense. If the vision seems silly then I am going to say so. Also the visions today is different from the visions at launch or the visions at the start of development, it will change again as we change what we ask for and staff change at the developer side.
3. Hmmmm... yes because we don't directly employ the staff at ZOS. But indirectly we do and if we all stop subbing, buying and crowning because we hate the state of the game a lot then neither the devs nor their bosses will be seeing much income because ZOS will shut the game down and lay most of them off. In a very real way ZOS needs to treat consumer opinion as boss, although at the same time they must sometimes give us what we actually want rather than what we think we want - sucks to be them but then they want our money so they have to walk that line.

So really I tend to disagree with your three differences I think you maybe have 1.5 there that matter. I also think you are giving away too much of your power to the company... that is your right, but it does not bind me into doing the same.

Overall software companies get away with behaviour we'd never tolerate in other products - can you imagine buying a car that sometimes steered left when you turned right and other times did not steer at all... they'd be bankrupt within a week. Can you imagine that same car company tried to make you agree to a TOS where you agreed that if the engine, brakes, steering, airbags or any other component did not function as intended they would not refund you, fix the problem or be liable for any negative impact?

We are realist about complex software because we know that it is complex and even the best company may not fix everything but at the same time there are a lot of very dodgy developers who take advantage of this realism to fleece us with no intention of providing bug free software or ever fixing the problems - they get away with it because we let them.

I am not saying ZOS are one of those, I think they do try and fix stuff but equally I think they sometimes let known issues sit unfixed for too long without acknowledgement or fixes and I hope that people who play the game will not be afraid to tell them when this happens - ideally in a constructive manner - it keeps them honest and means we get a better game.

strikeback1247 · February 2016

Guys, criticism is not the same as the bashing that OP is talking about. There are a lot of great posts that point out the flaws of the game and suggest how to improve them. However, some people just complain and complain in their weird posts without really discussing the problem and without suggesting anything about how to improve. Then there are also the people that say the game is gonna die soon or that they are gonna quit (and then come back after a day or two)

Gidorick · February 2016

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Guys, criticism is not the same as the bashing that OP is talking about. There are a lot of great posts that point out the flaws of the game and suggest how to improve them. However, some people just complain and complain in their weird posts without really discussing the problem and without suggesting anything about how to improve. Then there are also the people that say the game is gonna die soon or that they are gonna quit (and then come back after a day or two)

Forums and games will always have trolls... Don't feed them fish and they'll move on to a different bridge.

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Oh it's real.

So is the Order of ZOS, The Hoy Knights of Zenimax, who yield their Blades of Discourse while donning their Armor of Unabashed Zeal in their never-ending crusade to ensure the righteous name of the infallible and eternally tenable Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited be only revered and praised and never criticized or denounced. As long as they watch over the vanilla lands of these fair forums, there will always be those who will defend the honor of the ESO: TU so that it's light may shine ever so brightly. May all who stare into that light feel the delirium of unwavering joy and awe as they stand in it's never-ending transcendence.

im stealing this lol

We agree on this one !!!

See, if all criticism was made with at least a little bit of thought, intelligence, honesty, elegance and some effort put into the formulation, it wouldn't even be an issue.
Just compare what Gidorick wrote with its respectless bashing equivalent "there are too many brainless ESO fanboyz around".

Here's another inherently bashing but excellent criticism post : http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/247263/the-last-eso-live-remembers-me-to-titanic-the-film

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D0ntevenL1ft · February 2016

You do realize the members on this forum are paying customers ? Yes customers. Complaining about this game not being correct is no different than complaining that our burger was made improperly. We pay for a service and expect what we have paid for and recently the dev team has been conflicting that trade at every turn. Therefore the right to complain is warranted.

ajwest927 · February 2016

If everyone stop bashing the game, then ZOS has no reason to improve their game.

Nafirian · February 2016

When you seen how good the game used to be we have every right to bash it, we tell the devs what we want how stuff can be improved the game has so much potential but it goes to waste by having Wrobel in charge someone who does not want to listen and does not want to change.

Gidorick · February 2016

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

You do realize the members on this forum are paying customers ? Yes customers. Complaining about this game not being correct is no different than complaining that our burger was made improperly. We pay for a service and expect what we have paid for and recently the dev team has been conflicting that trade at every turn. Therefore the right to complain is warranted.

There's a different between this:

and people complaining on the forums.

Many times what players are complaining about is what THEIR version of ESO should be... and I should know!! The majority of my posts are about what I think ESO should be and what it's not.

Sav72 · February 2016

There is nothing better atm to play.

Moonshadow66 · February 2016

I often criticize the game, yet I'm loving it since beta. It's even the game I've played the most of all games I've ever played!
So why am I criticizing it? Because I want to help improving the game and to get bugs fixed, that's why.
I'm none of the typical slimers that keep pretending that the game is perfect and runs without any issues just to make a good impression, because it isn't, and it doesn't.

I'm here for over two years now and I've seen people come and go. People who post how awesome everything is and ask why I'm such an idiot to criticize the game. They're not here anymore, while I still am. Because I'm still loving it. Think about it.

khele23eb17_ESO · February 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

im sorry but how many different ways would you like to hear "toppling charge needs fixing" and "Lag is terrible in cyrodiil". if any boss or manager I knew had the same complaint repeatedly, desks would be empty. in my line of work, this kind of nonsense wouldn't last a month.

As far as lag goes it might just be beyond their capabilities to fix it without rewriting half the game's code which probably wouldnt be cost effective.

those are just examples, one of the biggest issues is communication, if you don't have that you have no

Well, what do you think people's reaction would be if ZOS came out and said: 'due to the amount of time and work that would be required we will not be able to implement any significant fixes to fps and lag issues in Cyrodil in the foreseeable future' ?

Lysette · February 2016

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Guys, criticism is not the same as the bashing that OP is talking about. There are a lot of great posts that point out the flaws of the game and suggest how to improve them. However, some people just complain and complain in their weird posts without really discussing the problem and without suggesting anything about how to improve. Then there are also the people that say the game is gonna die soon or that they are gonna quit (and then come back after a day or two)

That is totally normal, because they care about the game, otherwise they would not come to the forum and say, that they are going to quit, but just stay away. So this is actually not a threat, but a motion of despair, what drives them to this step. It is painful for them to "have to" leave, because they want to stay, but permanent frustration more or less forces them to quit.

And this is what not fixing bugs for a very long time does to customers, they are so highly frustrated over time, that despite that they love the game, they simply have to leave it for their own good.

Soris · February 2016

Kammakazi wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

So lemme get this straight...

People are not allowed to criticize the game, and still play it?

This game has so much QQ and whiners about everything

And you whine about ppl whine and qq.

Prof_Bawbag · February 2016

What the OP doesn't realise, people like him/her do more damage to the game (or any game for that matter) than the people who have levelled valid criticism at the game. We'd still be playing the launch game, with all its issues, if left to people like the OP.

kirk_lewis_ESO · February 2016

I don't make threads but i'm not stupid. The game has been out for 2 years and some change and only has about 1 mil and some change across all 3 platforms. Something isn't right. My guess, people, many people weren't happy and jumped ship, many didn't complain. They should be happy people complain as they probably want to stick around compared to people that just left. Server based game = needs population to stay viable. I'm no PVPer but if they leave, end game. Me? I'm waiting to see what the population is like after the patch before i buy the DLC.

kevlarto_ESO · February 2016

Constructive Criticism, is ok as fan of the game it ok to provide them with feedback, problem I see a lot of times people do not give details, coming in and say something like fix your game or fix the lag offers nothing to what the problem really is with out some kind of details. Same thing goes for when you would like to see a new feature, you can say lets add housing, that's nice but explain what you would like to see in this housing, if the devs put in housing and it is nothing like you wanted to see, well you did not give details on what you vision of housing should be, the devs cant read your mind.

There is a difference between haters and fans that would like to see the game improved, I think bashing the game is not the correct way to get results, like the old saying you attract more flies with honey, get to nasty in your posts and I bet the dev's do not give them a second glance.

Lysette · February 2016

kirk_lewis_ESO wrote: »

I don't make threads but i'm not stupid. The game has been out for 2 years and some change and only has about 1 mil and some change across all 3 platforms. Something isn't right. My guess, people, many people weren't happy and jumped ship, many didn't complain. They should be happy people complain as they probably want to stick around compared to people that just left. Server based game = needs population to stay viable. I'm no PVPer but if they leave, end game. Me? I'm waiting to see what the population is like after the patch before i buy the DLC.

If PvP guys leave, end game?- I don't think so, I am one of those, who think that having PvP in a game, which comes from a PvE tradition, was a big mistake in the first place and that without the PvP crowd and changes which are just made towards their needs this game would be much more populated and have a much healthier direction. The presence of PvP means that there is power creep, which will ruin the game, if Devs fall for it - and unfortunately they do.

Elsonso · February 2016

I think a lot of people get the purpose of the thread, and hopefully those that don't at least have something to think about, but this comment stands out for me...

mtwiggz wrote: »

While bashing the game may be unacceptable, some of the complaints on these forums are warranted. It seems the only way to get anything fixed anymore is to be brutally mean and/or honest about them.

It is never the case where "brutally mean" is an acceptable way to get something fixed, and it is never warranted.

jhharvest · February 2016

We complain because we want the game to be what it could be. There's so many things that are really cool about ESO but there are some issues which are batshit bonkers because who knows what despite people on forums repeatedly pointing out obvious fixes.

daswahnsinn · February 2016

I stopped playing about a month and a half ago. Many reasons came into play:

the game lacked end-game content, when I mean end-game I mean I don't like doing the same thing over and over to get nothing in return,
My guild sort of left ESO, well most of the ones I played with(Time-zone difference,
I personally didn't like the path ESO was heading, newest PTS version sealed the deal,
The PVP lag is too much with no future words of fixing it,
PVP is literally just taking the same keeps over and over, no other way to really PVP,
The *^%*ing nerfs and nerfs,
Champion system seems like a joke, as well as vet ranks,
Crafted gear and crafting is a joke,
All the cookie cutter spam builds,

However, I loved the idea of the game it had great potential. The first 50 level are the best after that log off. This is how I view it and it can change, just waiting for a reason to log in and find it out.

Plus, I just downloaded the wither 3 a few months late so I'll be playing that for some time.

BurtFreeman · February 2016

why you make such a question? cant you see over your nose?
all humans progress come through complains, criticism, revolution and even wars.
otherwise you just accept the first thing without even ask at yourself if is it fine.

your question sound like why do you bash the system if you still living.

DHale · February 2016

You can know why we get angry. All you got to do is watch ESO live from Friday. Even Gina was was like you must be f &&&&&& kidding me. Rich needs to ... Move in a different direction.

Essiaga · February 2016

Kammakazi wrote: »

I thought this was the forums where people post thoughts and opinions on the game in hopes of it getting better.

Also this game is like a relationship that you invest time, and money, and you want to work out. When we all find another that gives us what we need we'll move on. But the Devs should be happy to have our feedback, regardless of how negative or positive it might be.

Also this is an Elder Scrolls game. There's quiet a bit of fandom going around. I mean, *** on the Batsuit??!??

I'm assuming you don't live in the United States. Because while most of us LOVE our country, there is MUCH to complain about. We bash because we want it to be better and true.

God bless America, and God Bless Elder Scrolls Online. Both can use God's help.