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Summary of Wrobel's Comments on Templars from ESO live
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Yinmaigao✭✭✭✭✭
✭Man...
All these decisions are really making me scared for the future of the game... It's good to mix things up every once-in-a-while and add elements from other classes (as long as they all maintain their unique flair).
However, making changes without first having balance, and not considering the ramifications for the future is a recipe for a lot of unhappy people...7 -
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No they didn't, buffing useless skills doesn't suddenly make them better, they will still be useless. Templar needs a lot of internal working.To be fair, that have buffed a decent number of Templar Skills in the next update.
The only thing that was buffed was Dark Flare - mainly only good for PvE anyway.
#MOREORBS5 -
Huh... I don't know yet how I feel about this... I wait till after TG comes out to make the final determination. While I wouldn't call this a rage quit, I'm sorely tempted to quit this game if the nerfs keep coming. There are plenty of other games out there to consume my idle time. No... You can't haz my stuffs.
Still... With that said, I use healing springs as my goto healz anyway. As long as they don't nerf that, I might be ok with it. (Did I just jinx it?)1 -
rager82b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Whoever is the class design leader or makes the choices to keep our skills bug and lack luster options needs to be fired.4 -
remilafo✭✭✭✭Man...
All these decisions are really making me scared for the future of the game... It's good to mix things up every once-in-a-while and add elements from other classes (as long as they all maintain their unique flair).
However, making changes without first having balance, and not considering the ramifications for the future is a recipe for a lot of unhappy people...
very truth here man........
Black Desert on march 3rd people... if you like eso i really see no reason why you wouldn't like BDO..
Edited by remilafo on February 12, 2016 10:31PM4 -
Alorier✭✭✭✭Monk_Slayer wrote: »Huh... I don't know yet how I feel about this... I wait till after TG comes out to make the final determination. While I wouldn't call this a rage quit, I'm sorely tempted to quit this game if the nerfs keep coming. There are plenty of other games out there to consume my idle time. No... You can't haz my stuffs.
Still... With that said, I use healing springs as my goto healz anyway. As long as they don't nerf that, I might be ok with it. (Did I just jinx it?)
+1 on the edge of quiting so many other games I could happily be spending my time that won't constantly be bring interfered with0 -
Jura23✭✭✭✭✭
✭He said he likes Templars equally to other classes. Woot
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Tankqull✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sallington wrote: »david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »Oh, and he might decide to nerf the Templar's Sun Shield to make it have a cast time!
The hits just keep coming.
Lol there's no way that idea was mentioned.
it was about shields in general. not explicit the sun shields but they would be affected by that change aswell.rager82b14_ESO wrote: »Whoever is the class design leader or makes the choices to keep our skills bug and lack luster options needs to be fired.
that would be wrobel...Edited by Tankqull on February 12, 2016 10:36PMspelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"0 -
Ra'Shtar✭✭✭✭✭
✭They didn't even addressed the disparity of the Templar passives compared to other classes.Some of my favorite screenshots
My opinions and posts are mostly on a PvE setting.3 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
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Or that he genuinely thinks that templars are fine.
I don't know which is more worrisome.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.4 -
rager82b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sallington wrote: »david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »Oh, and he might decide to nerf the Templar's Sun Shield to make it have a cast time!
The hits just keep coming.
Lol there's no way that idea was mentioned.
it was about shields in general. not explicit the sun shields but they would be affected by that change aswell.rager82b14_ESO wrote: »Whoever is the class design leader or makes the choices to keep our skills bug and lack luster options needs to be fired.
that would be wrobel...
Fire that guy, and get someone else who has fresh and new ideas.
It always amazes me that a company pays people to give feedback, and to test things for them. Yet, many gaming companies get feedback for free, and don't use it.Edited by rager82b14_ESO on February 12, 2016 10:45PM4 -
FullBlownBeast✭✭✭OP you have a serious comprehension issue. He said they nerfed breath of life because it was the "one stop shop" for all healing on templar. They nerfed it because it was the only healing skill Templar needed for every situation and to make other skills more desirable. Next time don't post garbage.Plain and Simple1 -
blackcom90✭✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »Sallington wrote: »david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »Oh, and he might decide to nerf the Templar's Sun Shield to make it have a cast time!
The hits just keep coming.
Lol there's no way that idea was mentioned.
it was about shields in general. not explicit the sun shields but they would be affected by that change aswell.rager82b14_ESO wrote: »Whoever is the class design leader or makes the choices to keep our skills bug and lack luster options needs to be fired.
that would be wrobel...
Fire that guy, and get someone else who has fresh and new ideas.
It always amazes me that a company pays people to give feedback, and to test games for them. Yet, many gaming companies get feedback for free, and don't use it.
He was just promoted... WORST mistake ever done... give it's workplace to zos_Lambert. he is a cool guy
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✭✭✭✭✭And people wonder why the forums are so salty. How is wrobel still an employee for zos?9 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FullBlownBeast wrote: »OP you have a serious comprehension issue. He said they nerfed breath of life because it was the "one stop shop" for all healing on templar. They nerfed it because it was the only healing skill Templar needed for every situation and to make other skills more desirable. Next time don't post garbage.
When this happens, you buff the undesirable skills, you don't nerf the only desirable one.
That's the whole point.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.15 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭He did mention about mobility though, he doesn't want templars to be that type of class and want's them to stand their ground in their robes and be rekt by meteors. No mobility = death.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...8 -
Ra'Shtar✭✭✭✭✭
✭I seriously could care less about BoL nerf what i do care about a lot its the negligence about our Ultimates and passives being sub-par to all the other 3 classes.Some of my favorite screenshots
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Toxic_Hemlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭FullBlownBeast wrote: »OP you have a serious comprehension issue. He said they nerfed breath of life because it was the "one stop shop" for all healing on templar. They nerfed it because it was the only healing skill Templar needed for every situation and to make other skills more desirable. Next time don't post garbage.
When this happens, you buff the undesirable skills, you don't nerf the only desirable one.
That's the whole point.
WTB more +1s for this comment!!4 -
Francescolg✭✭✭✭
THIS + the 5-10 fanboys in the forums, who keep posting pvp-videos/wise texts and other evidence that the templar is the strongest, or as good as the strongest class of ESO! (/edit they have been doing it over 1,5 years, now, nurf over nurf.., they say: "Templar's strongness is still there!!", reminds me Monty Pyton.. a knight without arms and legs, who is still trying to fight back!)Wreuntzylla wrote: »So, let me see if I understand you right. Templar healing has been reduced to be on par with every other class, but escapability, DPS, burst and sustain have not been increased to to be on par with the other classes?
Edited by Francescolg on February 12, 2016 10:50PM0 -
Jura23✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »He did mention about mobility though, he doesn't want templars to be that type of class and want's them to stand their ground in their robes and be rekt by meteors. No mobility = death.
He has his vision, problem is, this type of gameplay doesn't fit current state of combat at all. Not sure if they can change it anytime soon either.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU4 -
Kaliki✭✭✭✭The worst thing about this big class rebalancing is that no thought whatsover went into the Templar design.
+ 1% for one skill, a little less cast time and healing for the other, a bit more damage for a niche damage skill, removal of the next to useless reflect from one Bubble morph. And a few "fixes" that wreck skills that were previously useful (Purifying Ritual, Channeled Focus).
Did any of that make Templars more balanced compared to other classes?- Templars: Slower by Design® -1 -
FullBlownBeast✭✭✭FullBlownBeast wrote: »OP you have a serious comprehension issue. He said they nerfed breath of life because it was the "one stop shop" for all healing on templar. They nerfed it because it was the only healing skill Templar needed for every situation and to make other skills more desirable. Next time don't post garbage.
When this happens, you buff the undesirable skills, you don't nerf the only desirable one.
That's the whole point.
You are right. Point was OP is full of ***. In this specific situation, the buffing other templar healing skills to be better than BOL or comparable in different situations would've been ridiculous. Really had to be done.Edited by FullBlownBeast on February 12, 2016 10:50PMPlain and Simple0 -
Ra'Shtar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Also i found insulting how he said that something bad happens to enemies that enter ''your house'', NOTHING happens when enemies enter Rune Focus or Cleansing Ritual. How can this be ''my house'' if i can't even shoot intruders.Some of my favorite screenshots
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✭✭✭✭✭I hate to jump on the negative band wagon, but this is a perfect metaphor for ZoS logic over the last 2 years. If something is unbalanced, they nerf what is working well in an attempt to level the playing field. It NEVER works. News flash ZOS, you gave Templars an entire skill line devoted to healing. They are supposed to be the best healers. On what planet does it make sense to nerf these skills so they lose the one edge they had as a class.
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Tankqull✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »He did mention about mobility though, he doesn't want templars to be that type of class and want's them to stand their ground in their robes and be rekt by meteors. No mobility = death.
he actually said he wants them to somewhat have a "this is my house get out of here" attitude (setting up their cicrles) wich would be ok if temps would have the toolset to do so... but they don´t.Edited by Tankqull on February 12, 2016 10:53PMspelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"6 -
blackcom90✭✭✭Francescolg wrote: »
THIS + the 5-10 fanboys in the forums, who keep posting pvp-videos/wise texts and other evidence that the templar is the strongest, or as good as the strongest class of ESO! (/edit they have been doing it over 1,5 years, now, nurf over nurf.., they say: "Templar's strongness is still there!!", reminds me Monty Pyton.. a knight without arms and legs, who is still trying to fight back!)Wreuntzylla wrote: »So, let me see if I understand you right. Templar healing has been reduced to be on par with every other class, but escapability, DPS, burst and sustain have not been increased to to be on par with the other classes?
This is only a flesh wound! ahahahah!0 -
CherryCake✭✭✭✭✭
✭What? What were they thinking to reduce the healing of templars? Then what will the templar be good for? Sparkling around like Edward Cullen???I like sweetrolls and I cannot lie0
