How does my current build sound?

Lord_Ejl · February 2016

I haven't been looking at guides, since i like to explore and plan on my own. Couple times have asked for advice on the forums, and my current situation is:

High Elf sorcerer
5x julianos, 2x cyrodiils light rings
Molag kena shoulders, i've been thinking about starting to farm the helm also
2 willpower swords and a willpower necklace.

My staff is pretty much useless, it's a gold torugs pact, but since i don't have torugs pact other than one, i've been thinkin about starting to grind VMA to get the master's staff.

skill bars:

Inferno staff for mobs:

Lightning form
hardened ward
Elemental ring
Liquid Lightning
Shattering prison
ulti: Overload

DW for single's

Velocious curse
Hardened Ward
Mages Wrath
Crystal Fragments
Surge

Overload bar is pretty mush the same as DW, i haven't really felt i needed more to it, so been lazyi with it..

On mobs, i first cast Lightning form => Shattering prison => Liguid lightning => Hardened ward, jump in between of them and blast elemenntal ring. Seems to work on mobs pretty well.

On singles, i blast velocious curse as soon as it explodes, other times crystal frag, of course combined with surge and hardened ward when needed. Mages wrath spam when health falls below 20%.

Potions that i use is mainly essence of spell power + magicka resto/regen. Se i've been thinking about switching surge off to something else, but i'm worried how many potions do i have to drink during bosses to keep my damage boost going

Haven't done much PvP yet tho, so don't know how this goes in there. I have been able to survive a long time in one 1v2 match at IC sewers, near a base so they spawned fast, eventually, i ran out of resources.

Comments? What would you change and why?

Samphaa · February 2016

This is for PvE only.

Personally I run 2 Kena, 5 Julianos and 3 Willpower, everything with legendary magicka glyphs and spell damage glyphs.

Staff Bar:
Pulsar/Velicious Curse
Crystal Frags
Inner light
Bound Aegis
Force Pulse
Shooting Star

Dual wield:
Hardened Ward/Boundless Storm
Endless Fury
Inner Light
Bound Aegis
Liquid Lightning
Overload.

Overload bar I use Power surge, Liquid Lightning, inner light, bound aegis, hardened ward.

Rotation is drop a LL, light attack, curse, light attack (to proc kena) Start medium weaving with force pulse, until frags is procc'd. Keep LL up at all times.

I don't bother to proc ken's in trash pulls, just LL, make sure ward and surge are up and just spam pulsar.

Pulsar is the better morph of elemental ring, the dot on elemental ring resets everytime you cast the ability. Pulsar drops the enemies health by 10%, if you're fighting a crematorial guard in WGT with 1 million health, 100k in one ability is good dps.

You don't need anything in recovery if your healer is using mystic orb from the undaunted skill line.

Check out Yolo Wizards build on Tamriel Foundry, it's about as good as you can get in terms of sorcerer PvE dps.

Lord_Ejl · February 2016

Ah, i didn't know that elemental ring resets every time. It makes it pretty bad. Thanks for that!

Saint314Louis1985 · February 2016

i would recommend removing the cyrodil light rings and going with all willpower jewerly. when you switch to your staff you will be losing alot of magicka and spell damage if you dont.

use torugs pact swords for spell dmg increase on your DW bar. cheap ez way to boost spell dmg

personally i would swap hardened ward onto your dw bar and put surge on your staff bar. if you use the staff more than the dw, then keep it how it is now. hardened ward on your main bar is def the way to go.

find a way to fit force pulse(i prefer crushing shock) on your staff bar. force pulse weave is main staff dps.

i would not remove surge. if you do, you will have almost no heals.

GrigorijMalahevich · February 2016

Magicka will stop to exist very quick on such a setup. Cyrodil light rings are too weak for end game and surge on main bar... C'mon

Acsvf · February 2016

A spammable attack on your single target bar might be worth looking into.

Waffennacht · February 2016

Just fyi, only destro staff attacks, frag, and overload will proc Surge.

The majority of your moves will not heal you.

You MAY want to consider the entropy morphs to get more out of it.

Lord_Ejl · February 2016

I've been doing ok at PvE dungeons, of course there's healer always.
IC sewer mobs i can destroy on my own without dying. Haven't had much problem with magicka running out. On bosses of course, but then i switch to staff/overload for a while to get it up again. If i can't kill a mob for some reason before my resources run dry, i dodge roll early enough, park them down, and hit them with staff.

As i said, i haven't done much pvp yet on my own. There, i will need more self heals, i know that. I hope i will have time soon to start learning it.

Concerning the cyrodiils light rings, i tested with 3 willpower jewellery as well, i had more power in both bars yes. And then i tested with cyrodiils light + willpower swords. Since i can kill mobs without a problem with my current setup, i decided to keep my cyrodiils light ring. i didn't count the bonuses tho, which one gives me more on the main bar. I assume it's pretty much the same, since there's spell damage bonus on both of them. Or is it?

Saint314Louis1985 · February 2016

when you swap from the 2x willpower swords you will lose the 2 & 3pc bonuses from them because they are no longer equipped

Lord_Ejl · February 2016

As i would also lose the toruq's pact 2p bonus swords when i switch away from them.

They have pretty much the same damage bonus, but willpower has the mag+ bonus, i don't run out of magicka on my mob bar. I need more damage on my single bar, that's why i'm having the cyrodiil rings, 3x willpower on my single's bar.

DschiPeunt · February 2016

I like that you are thinking about your own build than just copying a build from someone else. A lot of people just copy builds without thinking and don't really understand how they work and how one can adapt them to changing situations.

The gear you run is quite ok, but the problem would be, that on your AoE bar your slots for head and necklace don't provide any bonusses. You are wasting slots so to speak. Running with 3x willpower jewelry and having two torugs pact swords might get you better results.That should give you the same bonusses as your current setup on your single target bar, but increase your AoE damage. If you dont have 2 pieces Molag Kena yet, Nerieneth does a good job too. I run it, since my Molag helm didn't drop so far

If you run completely without any monster set, take a look at the craftable twilights embrace set.

Regarding skills, 5 things are obvious:
1. You are not using inner light and bound aegis, which increase your magicka pool and by that increase the damage of your skills.
2. Hardened ward on both bars is only needed, when you have a really bad group. If healer and tank know what they are doing, you do not need that skill at all. That's something for solo play and PvP.
3. As DD, you might not need a skill like shattering prison. At least my tooltip states that elemental ring does more damage than shattering prison, so it will lower your DPS. Cast 1 additional elemental ring instead. CC is the tank's job. Oh and pulsar does not stack. So only one person in a group can use it. Elemental ring is totally fine and the common choice.
4. You use crystal fragments as your main DPS skill. That is ok, but force pulse (destro staff needed) or tangling webs (works with dual wield) may be better choices, so that you can proc your crystal fragments often.
5. Surge need to be applied only every 30 seconds. You don't need that on your main bar. Put skills there, that you need often in single target fights.

Closing notes: A group setup is different from playing alone. Let the healer keep you alive (don't stay in red circles though). Let the tank do the crowd control. Your job is damage and not making the job of the other players harder.

Lord_Ejl · February 2016

DschiPeunt wrote: »

I like that you are thinking about your own build than just copying a build from someone else. A lot of people just copy builds without thinking and don't really understand how they work and how one can adapt them to changing situations.

The gear you run is quite ok, but the problem would be, that on your AoE bar your slots for head and necklace don't provide any bonusses. You are wasting slots so to speak. Running with 3x willpower jewelry and having two torugs pact swords might get you better results.That should give you the same bonusses as your current setup on your single target bar, but increase your AoE damage. If you dont have 2 pieces Molag Kena yet, Nerieneth does a good job too. I run it, since my Molag helm didn't drop so far If you run completely without any monster set, take a look at the craftable twilights embrace set.

Regarding skills, 5 things are obvious:
1. You are not using inner light and bound aegis, which increase your magicka pool and by that increase the damage of your skills.
2. Hardened ward on both bars is only needed, when you have a really bad group. If healer and tank know what they are doing, you do not need that skill at all. That's something for solo play and PvP.
3. As DD, you might not need a skill like shattering prison. At least my tooltip states that elemental ring does more damage than shattering prison, so it will lower your DPS. Cast 1 additional elemental ring instead. CC is the tank's job. Oh and pulsar does not stack. So only one person in a group can use it. Elemental ring is totally fine and the common choice.
4. You use crystal fragments as your main DPS skill. That is ok, but force pulse (destro staff needed) or tangling webs (works with dual wield) may be better choices, so that you can proc your crystal fragments often.
5. Surge need to be applied only every 30 seconds. You don't need that on your main bar. Put skills there, that you need often in single target fights.

Closing notes: A group setup is different from playing alone. Let the healer keep you alive (don't stay in red circles though). Let the tank do the crowd control. Your job is damage and not making the job of the other players harder.

Thanks for these! I'm a casual player myself, and group with likeminded ones also, so i need the ward most times even on group content with a healer

Shattering prison is must atm, especially on solo. On dungeons not, if the tank does his job (most of the times, not). Solo mobs are easy with the shattering prison, LL, Lightning form and elemental ring combo. Since they're parked down and not running to all different directions if there's one archer or mage with them.

Maybe i could get better playing with good players, but now, as a casual running with others, i need my own backup in form of ward for example. Thanks for the info, i'll take them into consideration and start planning more when i log in today

Saint314Louis1985 · February 2016

Lord_Ejl wrote: »

As i would also lose the toruq's pact 2p bonus swords when i switch away from them.

They have pretty much the same damage bonus, but willpower has the mag+ bonus, i don't run out of magicka on my mob bar. I need more damage on my single bar, that's why i'm having the cyrodiil rings, 3x willpower on my single's bar.

more magicka = more dmg and stronger shields

if youre going to run hardened ward on your staff bar also you might as well have them as strong as possible right?

theres a reason why most people run 3pc willpower.

i like to try and tweak builds differently and go against the norm also, but sometimes the norm is the right way to go.

not gonna argue with you about it was just offering some advice, which was asked for in your original post. judging from your replies it seems like youve already got it all figured out. good luck with your build.

Reeko · February 2016

Also crafting torugs swords over using willpower swords will give you access to nirnhoned trait which will ups your deeps as well.

ryanborror · February 2016

you want to use willpower jewelry and torugs swords. Force pulse and frag on the same bar. Overload on sword bar.