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Advice on how to duel a stam dk on a mag sorc

a1x23
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I am having a hard time with stam dk's in duels. I cant seem to figure out how to counter them since most of my skills get refelcted back at me. I try to time my burst around when their scales are down, which works pretty good against unskilled players but a good player seems to keep them up almost 100% of the time. The skills i use are destro: endless fury, c frags, structured entropy, v curse, crushing shock, Dawnbreaker. Resto: defendsive rune, healing ward, hardened ward, mine field, streak, atro. 3k SD 2k recovery 36k max magicka. I cant seem to think of any abilities i could change up (i dont have magicka det) Anyone have any advice, tips, or strategies that could help? Would be much appreciated
  • DannyLV702
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    Same. It's only the good players I have problems with.
  • Stranglehands
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    i would say destructive reach is better than crushing shock against a stam attacker (fire does knockback and ice snares)
    you could try lightning form because it buffs your armour and does non-reflectable damage
    the lightning staff heavy attack is also not reflectable
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  • a1x23
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    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    Same. It's only the good players I have problems with.

    Exactly
  • Egonieser
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    Inevitable deto+curse+mages wrath / lighting destro staff - can't be reflected.
    Daedric minefield if he's melee.
    Edited by Egonieser on February 9, 2016 10:59PM
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  • bimbo
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    are you kidding me?

    A magicka sorc can faceroll most stam dks.
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  • a1x23
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    i would say destructive reach is better than crushing shock against a stam attacker (fire does knockback and ice snares)
    you could try lightning form because it buffs your armour and does non-reflectable damage
    the lightning staff heavy attack is also not reflectable

    Destructive reach is reflectable tho. Since damage shields dont take resistance into consideration boundless isnt super helpful. Also the dmg isnt very significant. I use my resto to do the same thing as a lightning staff. Ive tried these suggestions and against a good player it doesnt seem to help much. I appreciate the thoughts tho
  • a1x23
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    bimbo wrote: »
    are you kidding me?

    A magicka sorc can faceroll most stam dks.

    Im guessing those sorcs prolly run proxy or inevitable det
  • a1x23
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    Also MOST stam dk's i beat, just against skilled stam dk's i seem to struggle
  • PhatGrimReaper
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    Egonieser wrote: »
    Inevitable deto+curse+mages wrath / lighting destro staff - can't be reflected.
    Daedric minefield if he's melee.

    ^this and time your streak + proc Frag so he can't reflect/block
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  • D0ntevenL1ft
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    Time your burst and smack him with the dawnbreaker should be enough to take out anyone even without inevitable det
    Edited by D0ntevenL1ft on February 9, 2016 11:18PM
  • a1x23
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    Egonieser wrote: »
    Inevitable deto+curse+mages wrath / lighting destro staff - can't be reflected.
    Daedric minefield if he's melee.

    Not sure if you read my whole post, i use minefield and i dont have magicka det unlocked with this character
  • Brutusmax1mus
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    If your problem is just the refect you could run snb and reflect back. I've seen many a dk panic when they see this happening to them.
  • Brrrofski
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    It's timing.

    Crushing shock counts as 3 atracks in one. So a weave with light atrack nulifies their wings. Curse, streak and dawnbreaker works well. Add det if go you have it.
  • Drakilian
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    A good stam DK will drain all your Stam with fossilize, reflect all your attacks back at you and eventually kill you when you can't break free with 2-3 hits.

    A good sorc will fight defensively against a good stam DK, hiding right in his minefield, using crushing shock and entropy to break through the reflects and carefully timing their frags once the DK's Magicka is drained. They will also drain the DK's stam (likely with rune cage). If being pressured hard use Atronarch and regen all your resources in your Atronarch protected minefield.

    Run drinks and not food (you should be doing this anyway, not running drinks in PvP is stupid) for stam and mag, and put around 30 champion points into the tumbling passive in the shadow tree.

    In the end of they can keep their stam up, a sorc will wear down a skilled stam DK. If their shields are good enough to survive the WB+Leap+Executionner burst they'll win.
    Edited by Drakilian on February 10, 2016 1:47AM
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  • Waffennacht
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    I use to just run Daedric Tomb, it was instant up close high dmg dk pwner. After the update, even though everyone else likes it, it sucks for this.

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  • SkylarkAU
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    Also watch the stam dk's timing on the wings and have a cfrag in your pocket ready to go.. When they flap pop a curse on them, spam mages wrath for a couple seconds then at about the four second mark (before they recast wings) streak through them to cc, turn and drop the cfrag + dawnbreaker. If you have proxy det set that up with your timing as well!
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  • Didgerion
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    a1x23 wrote: »
    I am having a hard time with stam dk's in duels. I cant seem to figure out how to counter them since most of my skills get refelcted back at me. I try to time my burst around when their scales are down, which works pretty good against unskilled players but a good player seems to keep them up almost 100% of the time. The skills i use are destro: endless fury, c frags, structured entropy, v curse, crushing shock, Dawnbreaker. Resto: defendsive rune, healing ward, hardened ward, mine field, streak, atro. 3k SD 2k recovery 36k max magicka. I cant seem to think of any abilities i could change up (i dont have magicka det) Anyone have any advice, tips, or strategies that could help? Would be much appreciated

    So it is a tie!

    What's wrong with that?

  • a1x23
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    Drakilian wrote: »
    A good stam DK will drain all your Stam with fossilize, reflect all your attacks back at you and eventually kill you when you can't break free with 2-3 hits.

    A good sorc will fight defensively against a good stam DK, hiding right in his minefield, using crushing shock and entropy to break through the reflects and carefully timing their frags once the DK's Magicka is drained. They will also drain the DK's stam (likely with rune cage). If being pressured hard use Atronarch and regen all your resources in your Atronarch protected minefield.

    Run drinks and not food (you should be doing this anyway, not running drinks in PvP is stupid) for stam and mag, and put around 30 champion points into the tumbling passive in the shadow tree.

    In the end of they can keep their stam up, a sorc will wear down a skilled stam DK. If their shields are good enough to survive the WB+Leap+Executionner burst they'll win.

    For magicka sorc running food is always recommended because it will raise your max magicka and increasing your shield strength. But ive come to the conclusion that the few stam dk's that i do have trouble with might just be better players than i am and using their skills to counter me
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