PvP seems to be about just two abilities

Ajantear · February 2016

I'm sure this has been asked before by people new to pvp, but it just seems to be two abilities. A cloak and an attack from cloak. This evening I have been involving myself in pvp and all I have seen is groups of people just cloaking to avoid attacked and then striking from cover. Endlessly.

Is that all there is to pvp? One class, two abilities and it beats everything? Is it really this shallow?

Kr3do · February 2016

If you get rekt by someone only using Cloak and Suprise Attack/Concealed Weapon you got some serious L2P issues.

Ajantear · February 2016

As it is all I see. Two or three people, always Nightblades taking out twice there number without really getting hit.

It seem it the server I am playing in there are lots and lots of people with L2P issues.

Do you do advice as well or do you just stroke your Epeen?

MrGigglypants · February 2016

Hate to say L2p but there are so many counters to cloak I often debate not using it and slotting siphoning in order to dodge roll more. Against good players its a so-so ability.

lolo_01b16_ESO · February 2016

Cloak + SA is an easy way to kill bad players fast.
If you want to defend against it, you should slot a skill to break cloak (piercing mark / steel tornado / caltrops / explosive charge / curse /...) and try to have some protection against his initial stealth attacks (any damage shield/ radiant magelight / impenetrable trait on your armour /...)

Ajantear · February 2016

Ahh advice. Now we are getting somewhere. I have read a few guides but they only seem to cover the obvious stuff like how pvp works.

Can anyone link me some real guide, such things as pvp tactics, builds, etc? That would be appreciated. Telling people they need to learn to play without offering a way for them to do so is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard.

Emma_Overload · February 2016

Radiant Magelight will help you with some NBs, but it does nothing to protect you from Stamblades who have several different ways of perma-CCing their victims. I haven't been able to test these on the PTS yet (where are all the scummy gankers when you need them?), but supposedly ZOS was going to fix the stun from gap closers (which Nightblades can spam from ZERO distance!).

Cathexis · February 2016

By l2p most of these people actually mean you should be playing a nightblade, as stealth assassinations should be the only form of acceptable combat.

Without stealth most of them are trash players imo. The ones who aren't intentionally fighting in slanted battles either can't win 1v1 or need like 30 mulligans via cloak.

blur · February 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Radiant Magelight will help you with some NBs, but it does nothing to protect you from Stamblades who have several different ways of perma-CCing their victims. I haven't been able to test these on the PTS yet (where are all the scummy gankers when you need them?), but supposedly ZOS was going to fix the stun from gap closers (which Nightblades can spam from ZERO distance!).

Perma CC? Are you being serious right now? Not sure if you have been to Cyrodiil yet, but you get a 5 second CC immunity after being CC'd. Perma CC does not exist, only mistakes and not knowing how to PvP or react to certain situations.
Radiant Magelight shuts down Stealth and Invisibility, particularly when you are mobile and stay on top of the NB not letting him get away. This is definitely an L2P issue.

Ajantear wrote: »

I'm sure this has been asked before by people new to pvp, but it just seems to be two abilities. A cloak and an attack from cloak. This evening I have been involving myself in pvp and all I have seen is groups of people just cloaking to avoid attacked and then striking from cover. Endlessly.

Is that all there is to pvp? One class, two abilities and it beats everything? Is it really this shallow?

Sorry but threads like these are the hallmark of "new" or "fledgling" pvper.
It's hard for me to read these threads and imagine you are even paying attention whilst in Cyrodiil. I play all 3 factions and I can assure you there is a helluva lot more going on than NB gankers and way more non NBs zergballing or cheesing their way across the battlefield. I mean for crying outload just about every Stamina class is playing the same using broken Shuffle while dodgerolling and vigor/rally spamming their way back to full HP while you watch your attacks miss and resources dwindle. Then on the other side you have templar healers getting damn near full health from a breath of life or being healed through walls. Not to mention all the other cheese going on. Sorry but this thread smacks of serious exaggeration and lack of information.

Cody · February 2016

lets ignore the condescending remarks of half of these supposed "elites" here, and give you some advice on killing terrible NBs like me.

1. radiant magelight. It sees thru cloak, gives you a damage reduction bonus against stealthed attacks (50% I believe) and shuts down stealth, use it if you are a mana build. I used it with a mana build of my own and NBs became the easiest enemies for me

2. AOE attacks, if a NB cloaks, hit them with an AOE to break them out then destroy them. Half of the NB population rely almost entirely on cloak and cannot fight without it (half will run, even if its just one enemy) allowing you to chase and kill with ease.
3. there is no such thing as "perma CC" whoever said that on this thread is lying.. A player gets at minimum a 5 second CC immunity timer when a CC wears off. CC break fear or whatever, and afterwards put pressure on the NB. The class has no damage shields or quick self heals of its own excluding the resto staff shield and set shields, so if you apply pressure, most NBs will go down.

everything else you must learn from experience.

KatzMainTank · February 2016

Wormwood and Cornflower.

It's the equivalent of garlic to vampires, but for Nightblades.

Drakilian · February 2016

You fool! Nightblades use more than just surprise attack and cloak!

You forgot Mass Hysteria.

Wycks · February 2016

If you know a NB is about to attack you from stealth:block
If you can't see the NB: Use AOE (caltrops, bombard and whirling blades are the most effective but most large range aoe does the trick).
If your taking to much dmg: Use 1h/s and get better gear or use one of the many self cast shields. Get crit dmg reduction cp and gear, this makes a huge diff.
Use detect pots.

Tip:
Break fear immediately and block or dodge the next attack
Cast vigor or any heals you have and cc the NB so you get back to full after his burst.
Run magelight if you have trouble with snipe (you should not if you know what to do).

Most stam NB's are very squishy you just need to cc them, they can only stealth 4-5 times without running out of majika not including if they cast fear which also costs majika.

AllPlayAndNoWork · February 2016

Kr3do wrote: »

If you get rekt by someone only using Cloak and Suprise Attack/Concealed Weapon you got some serious L2P issues.

But it seems that is the case for most............... and ZoS obliges with the mighty nerf hammer.

kyle.wilson · February 2016

I usually don't have issues with magicka nbs. I find them to be more trolly when they stealth, attack, and stealth.
I usually use thundering to draw them out of stealth and I streak through them and then frag them.
When its a group of them that can get aggravating though.

LoreRiley · February 2016

Ajantear wrote: »

I'm sure this has been asked before by people new to pvp, but it just seems to be two abilities. A cloak and an attack from cloak. This evening I have been involving myself in pvp and all I have seen is groups of people just cloaking to avoid attacked and then striking from cover. Endlessly.

Is that all there is to pvp? One class, two abilities and it beats everything? Is it really this shallow?

I never have a prob with Nightblade cloak go mah talon and mah inhale bruh

mcurley · February 2016

Ajantear wrote: »

Ahh advice. Now we are getting somewhere. I have read a few guides but they only seem to cover the obvious stuff like how pvp works.

Can anyone link me some real guide, such things as pvp tactics, builds, etc? That would be appreciated. Telling people they need to learn to play without offering a way for them to do so is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard.

The only way to learn how to play is to actually play. Read through all the skills to see what they do and how to counter them. Other than that a guide will do nothing but get your hero setup in a way that someone else has found to be effective for their style of playing.

Bone_Demon · February 2016

The forums seem to be about just two abilities. Fishing and baiting.

Takes-No-Prisoner · February 2016

KatzMainTank wrote: »

Wormwood and Cornflower.

It's the equivalent of garlic to vampires, but for Nightblades.

You've no idea how many times I posted a picture of said potion to people on here 1.0

Its such a sad thing, when I, on MY NB, see a enemy not using cloak correctly ... It triggers me to pop a detect pot and they get slaughtered by the people around me while I sit there and watch.

Hell I have un-hidden groups of people before with just 1 potion while I cloak circles around them. They stand there unable to figure out why their Hidden status was revoked 1.0

There is really no excuse for anyone to be in Cyrodiil without a stack of these

solynar · February 2016

Look for that red mist effect if they time their cloaks wrong. So many NBs don't realize people see it

Takes-No-Prisoner · February 2016

Yup, the large red blob color is a very big give-away that a NB just peaced out. Then you just need to convince him to peace-back in and introduce himself

kokoandshinb14a_ESO · February 2016

more likely than not in todays meta its not about your 'skill' at pvp; rather its more about champion points and gear.

champ points and gear is what allows people to achieve 3500 to 4000 atk rating, while maintaining 60%+ crit, and negating a lot of your resistances.

many of the players nowdays will have +25% buffs additive buffs to many important pvp categories such as spell/weapon damage, main stat regen, and resistances.

So if you are not in that category you are already gettign hit by the same skills for 25% more, while they are absorbing 25% more from you.

its not all skill.

Emma_Overload · February 2016

blur wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Radiant Magelight will help you with some NBs, but it does nothing to protect you from Stamblades who have several different ways of perma-CCing their victims. I haven't been able to test these on the PTS yet (where are all the scummy gankers when you need them?), but supposedly ZOS was going to fix the stun from gap closers (which Nightblades can spam from ZERO distance!).

Perma CC? Are you being serious right now? Not sure if you have been to Cyrodiil yet, but you get a 5 second CC immunity after being CC'd. Perma CC does not exist, only mistakes and not knowing how to PvP or react to certain situations.
Radiant Magelight shuts down Stealth and Invisibility, particularly when you are mobile and stay on top of the NB not letting him get away. This is definitely an L2P issue.

Yes I'm being deadly serious. In PvE encounters, Break Free almost always works as intended and CC immunity is gained for several seconds. In PvP, however, there seem to be several hidden mechanics, possibly bugs or exploits, that allow PvP attackers to render their victims UNABLE to Break Free. Like many others, I can't help but notice that most these exploiters happen to be Stamblades who use a lot of gap closers and bugged abilities like Reverberating Bash.

Ajantear · February 2016

blur wrote: »

Sorry but threads like these are the hallmark of "new" or "fledgling" pvper.

I believe I stated I was new to pvp. But apology accepted.

KatzMainTank wrote: »

Wormwood and Cornflower.

It's the equivalent of garlic to vampires, but for Nightblades.

Genuinely useful. Now I am learning something. Thank you.

Cody wrote: »

lets ignore the condescending remarks of half of these supposed "elites" here, and give you some advice on killing terrible NBs like me.

1. radiant magelight. It sees thru cloak, gives you a damage reduction bonus against stealthed attacks (50% I believe) and shuts down stealth, use it if you are a mana build. I used it with a mana build of my own and NBs became the easiest enemies for me

2. AOE attacks, if a NB cloaks, hit them with an AOE to break them out then destroy them. Half of the NB population rely almost entirely on cloak and cannot fight without it (half will run, even if its just one enemy) allowing you to chase and kill with ease.
3. there is no such thing as "perma CC" whoever said that on this thread is lying.. A player gets at minimum a 5 second CC immunity timer when a CC wears off. CC break fear or whatever, and afterwards put pressure on the NB. The class has no damage shields or quick self heals of its own excluding the resto staff shield and set shields, so if you apply pressure, most NBs will go down.

everything else you must learn from experience.

Again, useful information. Now I understand why so many people are using what I considered a pointless magelight.

Any more practical pvp tips please?

Cody · February 2016

Ajantear wrote: »

blur wrote: »

Sorry but threads like these are the hallmark of "new" or "fledgling" pvper.

I believe I stated I was new to pvp. But apology accepted.

KatzMainTank wrote: »

Wormwood and Cornflower.

It's the equivalent of garlic to vampires, but for Nightblades.

Genuinely useful. Now I am learning something. Thank you.

Cody wrote: »

lets ignore the condescending remarks of half of these supposed "elites" here, and give you some advice on killing terrible NBs like me.

1. radiant magelight. It sees thru cloak, gives you a damage reduction bonus against stealthed attacks (50% I believe) and shuts down stealth, use it if you are a mana build. I used it with a mana build of my own and NBs became the easiest enemies for me

2. AOE attacks, if a NB cloaks, hit them with an AOE to break them out then destroy them. Half of the NB population rely almost entirely on cloak and cannot fight without it (half will run, even if its just one enemy) allowing you to chase and kill with ease.
3. there is no such thing as "perma CC" whoever said that on this thread is lying.. A player gets at minimum a 5 second CC immunity timer when a CC wears off. CC break fear or whatever, and afterwards put pressure on the NB. The class has no damage shields or quick self heals of its own excluding the resto staff shield and set shields, so if you apply pressure, most NBs will go down.

everything else you must learn from experience.

Again, useful information. Now I understand why so many people are using what I considered a pointless magelight.

Any more practical pvp tips please?

what class do you prefer to PvP with?

PhatGrimReaper · February 2016

If you're going to make it about two abilities, at least pick a winner!!

Proxy Bats FTW

Junkogen · February 2016

Omg, enough with the cloak whining. I could say the same about wrecking blow, frags, jabs, batswarm.... This whole cloak nerf crying is just old. I guess you'll be elated to know that ZOS is making cloak obsolete. Get your Radiant Magelight ready and roll a sorceror.

Hawco10 · February 2016

The top 2 are wrecking blow and crystal frags

Cathexis · February 2016

This is the problem I have with stam sorcs, we have absolutely no capacity to completely negate incoming damage for any period. Every other class/class spec can do this.

myrrrorb14_ESO · February 2016

Looks like you got some good basic advice here.

Potions: columbine, cornflower, wormwood. Grants detect invisibility, magicka, and unstoppable.

Mage light: reduces crit damage and reveals enemies.

Impenintrible : armor trait that reduces crit damage

CC: slow them down, snare, stun, etc

AOE: knock them out of stealth if you can guess where they are. They are very fast though, so try and use a CC AOE if you have one.

Bait: have some friends hide near you and then counter gank.

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

Ajantear wrote: »

I'm sure this has been asked before by people new to pvp, but it just seems to be two abilities. A cloak and an attack from cloak. This evening I have been involving myself in pvp and all I have seen is groups of people just cloaking to avoid attacked and then striking from cover. Endlessly.

Is that all there is to pvp? One class, two abilities and it beats everything? Is it really this shallow?

Get gud. There are ways to counter this.