Why do people complain about Stam sorcs and Stamplars?

LoreRiley · February 2016

They were meant to be Magicka obviously no wonder there arent any skills for them. Switch to magic easy

Dread_Guy · February 2016

The aedric spear line did not have magicka in mind for templars. Crit dmg bonus, reduce damage while blocking the (in)balanced warrior only provides WEAPON damage. I can't speak for sorcs since I haven't leveled mine up yet, but switching isn't as black and white as you make it out to be

phillyproduct · February 2016

Are you saying nb and dk were meant to be stam based then?

LoreRiley · February 2016

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

The aedric spear line did not have magicka in mind for templars. Crit dmg bonus, reduce damage while blocking the (in)balanced warrior only provides WEAPON damage. I can't speak for sorcs since I haven't leveled mine up yet, but switching isn't as black and white as you make it out to be

I have a templar too and I use those pass

phillyproduct wrote: »

Are you saying nb and dk were meant to be stam based then?

They have morphs for both so they were meant as both

AOECAPS · February 2016

DKs have mostly magicka morphs why have Stam DKs? With that thinking only NB should be able to roll both and then we can get rid of orcs,redguards bosmer,imperials, kajiit since they have Stam racial passives. Or why need magicka Templars then they might as well roll magic sorc. Game diversity we don't need more sorcs streaking across cyro. And Stam Templars and sorcs have no use for 98% of class abilities and Stam Templars don't use basically 2 class bars because they have absolutely no use.

dday3six · February 2016

People complain because it's a playstyle they want/enjoy, and they want to see it supported more by ZOS.

Personally I prefer Stamina myself because I generally like melee weapon classes over magic users. I stayed with my Stam NB as long as possible, but with the upcoming changes I've swapped to DKs.

MissBizz · February 2016

LoreRiley wrote: »

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

The aedric spear line did not have magicka in mind for templars. Crit dmg bonus, reduce damage while blocking the (in)balanced warrior only provides WEAPON damage. I can't speak for sorcs since I haven't leveled mine up yet, but switching isn't as black and white as you make it out to be

I have a templar too and I use those pass

phillyproduct wrote: »

Are you saying nb and dk were meant to be stam based then?

They have morphs for both so they were meant as both

Forgive me if I'm wrong.. but doesn't DK only have 2 stam morphs, and a templar has 3 stam morphs? So by your logic then Stamina Templars should be a thing and stam DK's shouldn't?

LoreRiley · February 2016

AOECAPS wrote: »

DKs have mostly magicka morphs why have Stam DKs? With that thinking only NB should be able to roll both and then we can get rid of orcs,redguards bosmer,imperials, kajiit since they have Stam racial passives. Or why need magicka Templars then they might as well roll magic sorc. Game diversity we don't need more sorcs streaking across cyro. And Stam Templars and sorcs have no use for 98% of class abilities and Stam Templars don't use basically 2 class bars because they have absolutely no use.

DK has stam morphs unlike sorcs also dk can use SnB aswell as temps but they still complain they can do everything a dk can

LoreRiley · February 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

The aedric spear line did not have magicka in mind for templars. Crit dmg bonus, reduce damage while blocking the (in)balanced warrior only provides WEAPON damage. I can't speak for sorcs since I haven't leveled mine up yet, but switching isn't as black and white as you make it out to be

I have a templar too and I use those pass

phillyproduct wrote: »

Are you saying nb and dk were meant to be stam based then?

They have morphs for both so they were meant as both

Forgive me if I'm wrong.. but doesn't DK only have 2 stam morphs, and a templar has 3 stam morphs? So by your logic then Stamina Templars should be a thing and stam DK's shouldn't?

Burning embers
deep breath
dragon leap
corrosive armour

Thats 4 m8

Zyle · February 2016

Dread_Guy · February 2016

LoreRiley wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

The aedric spear line did not have magicka in mind for templars. Crit dmg bonus, reduce damage while blocking the (in)balanced warrior only provides WEAPON damage. I can't speak for sorcs since I haven't leveled mine up yet, but switching isn't as black and white as you make it out to be

I have a templar too and I use those pass

phillyproduct wrote: »

Are you saying nb and dk were meant to be stam based then?

They have morphs for both so they were meant as both

Forgive me if I'm wrong.. but doesn't DK only have 2 stam morphs, and a templar has 3 stam morphs? So by your logic then Stamina Templars should be a thing and stam DK's shouldn't?

Burning embers
deep breath
dragon leap
corrosive armour

Thats 4 m8

Two you mentioned are ults m8.

LoreRiley · February 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

The aedric spear line did not have magicka in mind for templars. Crit dmg bonus, reduce damage while blocking the (in)balanced warrior only provides WEAPON damage. I can't speak for sorcs since I haven't leveled mine up yet, but switching isn't as black and white as you make it out to be

I have a templar too and I use those pass

phillyproduct wrote: »

Are you saying nb and dk were meant to be stam based then?

They have morphs for both so they were meant as both

Forgive me if I'm wrong.. but doesn't DK only have 2 stam morphs, and a templar has 3 stam morphs? So by your logic then Stamina Templars should be a thing and stam DK's shouldn't?

This game has roles ok you can stick to em and be played out how apparently they visioned or you can change it up like how nb can tank. Doesnt mean thats how they were designed but its still playable. So when you decide to not play the roll it was visioned for you can complain when its lack luster. What kind of Sorcerer doesnt use magic?

LoreRiley · February 2016

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

The aedric spear line did not have magicka in mind for templars. Crit dmg bonus, reduce damage while blocking the (in)balanced warrior only provides WEAPON damage. I can't speak for sorcs since I haven't leveled mine up yet, but switching isn't as black and white as you make it out to be

I have a templar too and I use those pass

phillyproduct wrote: »

Are you saying nb and dk were meant to be stam based then?

They have morphs for both so they were meant as both

Forgive me if I'm wrong.. but doesn't DK only have 2 stam morphs, and a templar has 3 stam morphs? So by your logic then Stamina Templars should be a thing and stam DK's shouldn't?

Burning embers
deep breath
dragon leap
corrosive armour

Thats 4 m8

Two you mentioned are ults m8.

Ults based on stam its still part of the class and focuses on stam

LoreRiley · February 2016

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

If curiosity and debate is considered bait then no wonder this world is doomed

Zyle · February 2016

LoreRiley wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

If curiosity and debate is considered bait then no wonder this world is doomed

You have a funny way of showing it

dday3six · February 2016

LoreRiley wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

The aedric spear line did not have magicka in mind for templars. Crit dmg bonus, reduce damage while blocking the (in)balanced warrior only provides WEAPON damage. I can't speak for sorcs since I haven't leveled mine up yet, but switching isn't as black and white as you make it out to be

I have a templar too and I use those pass

phillyproduct wrote: »

Are you saying nb and dk were meant to be stam based then?

They have morphs for both so they were meant as both

Forgive me if I'm wrong.. but doesn't DK only have 2 stam morphs, and a templar has 3 stam morphs? So by your logic then Stamina Templars should be a thing and stam DK's shouldn't?

Burning embers
deep breath
dragon leap
corrosive armour

Thats 4 m8

What

Deep Breath and Burning Embers are both Magicka morphs. You mean Burning Breath and Unstable Flame.

Teflondon75 · February 2016

Troll post. You are obviously smart enough to know that having only two classes be good in both is ridiculous. But good on you for riling people up.

Didgerion · February 2016

They messed the resources up...I don't know why there is stamina and magica there anymore......it just does not make sense: some magica abilities are so stamina like and vice-versa....

AOECAPS · February 2016

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MissBizz · February 2016

LoreRiley wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

The aedric spear line did not have magicka in mind for templars. Crit dmg bonus, reduce damage while blocking the (in)balanced warrior only provides WEAPON damage. I can't speak for sorcs since I haven't leveled mine up yet, but switching isn't as black and white as you make it out to be

I have a templar too and I use those pass

phillyproduct wrote: »

Are you saying nb and dk were meant to be stam based then?

They have morphs for both so they were meant as both

Forgive me if I'm wrong.. but doesn't DK only have 2 stam morphs, and a templar has 3 stam morphs? So by your logic then Stamina Templars should be a thing and stam DK's shouldn't?

Burning embers
deep breath
dragon leap
corrosive armour

Thats 4 m8

Burning embers uses magicka and deals flame (magic) damage.

Deep breath uses magicka and deals magic damage, not sure why you think it's stamina.

Dragon Leap - Sorry didn't realize you were counting ultimates as well, since technically there is no stamina or magicka morph - they scale off your highest stat. Of course now with CP the type of damage they do matters, always forget about that.

Corrosive armor is an ultimate that deals flame damage, not sure how that is considered stamina.

LoreRiley · February 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

The aedric spear line did not have magicka in mind for templars. Crit dmg bonus, reduce damage while blocking the (in)balanced warrior only provides WEAPON damage. I can't speak for sorcs since I haven't leveled mine up yet, but switching isn't as black and white as you make it out to be

I have a templar too and I use those pass

phillyproduct wrote: »

Are you saying nb and dk were meant to be stam based then?

They have morphs for both so they were meant as both

Forgive me if I'm wrong.. but doesn't DK only have 2 stam morphs, and a templar has 3 stam morphs? So by your logic then Stamina Templars should be a thing and stam DK's shouldn't?

Burning embers
deep breath
dragon leap
corrosive armour

Thats 4 m8

Burning embers uses magicka and deals flame (magic) damage.

Deep breath uses magicka and deals magic damage, not sure why you think it's stamina.

Dragon Leap - Sorry didn't realize you were counting ultimates as well, since technically there is no stamina or magicka morph - they scale off your highest stat. Of course now with CP the type of damage they do matters, always forget about that.

Corrosive armor is an ultimate that deals flame damage, not sure how that is considered stamina.

I dont know the names
the fire breathing thingy that reduces armor stam
slashy fire talon thingy that reduces armor
corrosive armour-Ignores all physical resist(stam stuff)
Leap is physical stam stuff

MissBizz · February 2016

LoreRiley wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

The aedric spear line did not have magicka in mind for templars. Crit dmg bonus, reduce damage while blocking the (in)balanced warrior only provides WEAPON damage. I can't speak for sorcs since I haven't leveled mine up yet, but switching isn't as black and white as you make it out to be

I have a templar too and I use those pass

phillyproduct wrote: »

Are you saying nb and dk were meant to be stam based then?

They have morphs for both so they were meant as both

Forgive me if I'm wrong.. but doesn't DK only have 2 stam morphs, and a templar has 3 stam morphs? So by your logic then Stamina Templars should be a thing and stam DK's shouldn't?

Burning embers
deep breath
dragon leap
corrosive armour

Thats 4 m8

Burning embers uses magicka and deals flame (magic) damage.

Deep breath uses magicka and deals magic damage, not sure why you think it's stamina.

Dragon Leap - Sorry didn't realize you were counting ultimates as well, since technically there is no stamina or magicka morph - they scale off your highest stat. Of course now with CP the type of damage they do matters, always forget about that.

Corrosive armor is an ultimate that deals flame damage, not sure how that is considered stamina.

I dont know the names
the fire breathing thingy that reduces armor stam
slashy fire talon thingy that reduces armor
corrosive armour-Ignores all physical resist(stam stuff)
Leap is physical stam stuff

Burning breath is a stamina ability.
Unstable flame is just weird. The skill itself costs and scales from stamina - but the damage is flame therefore the "magicka" CP tree would increase the damage further.
Dragon Leap scales off your higher stat, so if you want to call unstable flame stamina, dragon leap can be magicka and stam since it scales off magicka if that's what you have more of, but the stam CP tree increases the damage.
Corrosive armor same thing. Can scale from magicka and deals flame damage which is increased by the magicka CP tree, so that's the least stamina at all. Reduces targets armor which seems "stam" but the damage it does is actually magic based (flame).

AOECAPS · February 2016

Dragon leap does do physical damage so maxed up weapon damage and cp tree is going to make that a better ult for Stam than magicka plus it's the only ult that does physical damage in the game

Jaeysa · February 2016

Because Zen gave sorcs stamina abilities - why wouldn't they want their chosen playstyle to be good?

MissBizz · February 2016

AOECAPS wrote: »

Dragon leap does do physical damage so maxed up weapon damage and cp tree is going to make that a better ult for Stam than magicka plus it's the only ult that does physical damage in the game

Yeah that's true. But if you take away CP (such as the new 0 CP campaigns coming for PvP) it becomes nil as ultimates scale off your higher stat... so if you are a magicka DK your dragon leap will scale off your magicka/spell damage. I can see as soon as CP is taken into effect that it can definitely be seen as a stamina ability though. In that same token I would consider corrosive armor a magicka ability since it can scale off either and does flame (magic) damage.

Really though, my real point here is that dk's don't need to be stam or magicka for sure. Same with templars etc. To be serious, every class has more magicka morphs than stamina, so one could think they were meant to be all magicka (hey, at one time all the morphs WERE magicka)

SemiD4rkness · February 2016

Console players...

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

The aedric spear line did not have magicka in mind for templars. Crit dmg bonus, reduce damage while blocking the (in)balanced warrior only provides WEAPON damage. I can't speak for sorcs since I haven't leveled mine up yet, but switching isn't as black and white as you make it out to be

I have a templar too and I use those pass

phillyproduct wrote: »

Are you saying nb and dk were meant to be stam based then?

They have morphs for both so they were meant as both

Forgive me if I'm wrong.. but doesn't DK only have 2 stam morphs, and a templar has 3 stam morphs? So by your logic then Stamina Templars should be a thing and stam DK's shouldn't?

Actually the magicka dumps for Stamina builds are just as important as actual stamina skills. Its not so simple as to factor in only the stamina morphs. Dragon Blood for instance is a universal skill despite costing magicka. The same holds true for spike armor, obsidian shard, igneous weapons, etc. The way the passives synergize are also important as well. You have to look at the gestalt of the class, and the whole skillset in order to understand how well it meshes with the stamina role.

Soris · February 2016

This my friend, along with their paladin brethens uses no foul magic. They use only restoration magic to cure wounds and occasional shielding. Their main weapon often being a 2 handed sword or a sword and board. In some cases they use spears as well.
And this fits quite well to the stamina templar builds in this game. They dont use heavy armor though, so it is the only difference. Heavy armor is only a cosmetic item in this game anyway.

An hybrid build would make much more sense though. With combination of magicka healing and shielding skills and stamina weapon attacks. We had that in update 1.4 and 1.5 as one of the most optimal builds in game. But it is no longer effective thanks to the developers.

KatzMainTank · February 2016

LoreRiley wrote: »

They were meant to be Magicka obviously no wonder there arent any skills for them. Switch to magic easy

First off, Hybrid builds are very hard to pull off without a hefty amount of CP. "Play how you want to play" was often heard during ESO advertisements. You indeed can play the way you want, but at a price, which is why most players just stick to playing musical chair meta.

In my opinion, every class should be able to go either Magicka or Stamina. In the perfect world we could go both, but that's not happening anytime soon. Having classes purely resourced from Magicka would only create a divide between playability. Whereas having viability of either resource means a total of 8 possible types of base builds available versus only 4.

So people have every right to give feedback, especially if that feedback is opening doors for possibilities in game. The real question is why not rally with them?

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Console players...

lol, we're not all like that! I'm all for StamSorcs & StamPlars. The two most fun builds I've played, but they are lacking in class and resource synergy. They need much love.

Faulgor · February 2016

LoreRiley wrote: »

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

The aedric spear line did not have magicka in mind for templars. Crit dmg bonus, reduce damage while blocking the (in)balanced warrior only provides WEAPON damage. I can't speak for sorcs since I haven't leveled mine up yet, but switching isn't as black and white as you make it out to be

I have a templar too and I use those pass

phillyproduct wrote: »

Are you saying nb and dk were meant to be stam based then?

They have morphs for both so they were meant as both

You do realize that they only have stamina morphs because we asked for them, right?
At launch there was no such thing as stamina class skills.

So why should we not continue to hold the banner for stamina Sorcerers and Templars when it worked for Nightblades and Dragonknights?

Brrrofski · February 2016

All classes should be able to play magica or stamina.

The more options, the more diverse builds are, the less stale the game becomes. Stamplars are actually in a good place I think. I do really well on my mine. Stam sorc definitely need something. I enjoy my Stam sorc, but no matter how good I do on it, I could do better on my stam Dk.