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Being hit by Wrecking Blow after Cloaking.
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If they start charging a Wrecking blow before you cloak, it still hits you after you cloak if you are in range.
Probably needs a fix.
Probably needs a fix.
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Jura23✭✭✭✭✭
✭"needs a fix"
Agreed. They should hit even if they start charging after you cloaked.
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GrimMauKin✭✭✭✭In PVE Dark Cloak is hardly cancelling any power attacks at the moment and some are actually starting to charge after I've cloaked (charge type attacks in particular).
I've submitted a number of bug reports but cloak and its morphs have been broken since day one; I don't hold out much hope that it'll ever to 100% sorted.Edited by GrimMauKin on February 7, 2016 4:29PMI am one of The Great Mediocracy, those whose role in life is to provide the baseline by which The Few deem themselves Great.2 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Maybe you could try dodge rolling, blocking or walking around the swing like everyone else. Cloak doesn't have to be used for everything you know12 -
GrimMauKin✭✭✭✭Maybe you could try dodge rolling, blocking or walking around the swing like everyone else. Cloak doesn't have to be used for everything you know
Maybe I don't want to be like everyone else. I appreciate that Cloak appears to be Nerf of the month at the moment but I chose to be a Nightblade because, from an RPG point of view, because that's what I wanted to be. When I'm out of Magika I do roll but I don't see the point of carry a skill and then not using it for its intended purpose because it offends others' sensibilities.
The point is though that it's a bugged and broken skill at present and quite a lot of the time it's just a waste of Magicka and I don't think it's particularly unreasonable to want it to work.Edited by GrimMauKin on February 7, 2016 5:28PMI am one of The Great Mediocracy, those whose role in life is to provide the baseline by which The Few deem themselves Great.8 -
hydrocynus✭✭✭✭✭Dear precious nightblade and your cloak.
If you are standing on a mountain and a boulder comes hurtling down the hill towards you, do you think the best thing to do would be to:
a) cloak and sit tight and wait till it passes straight through you as it can't see you so how can it hurt you
Or......
b) take evasive action and get out of the way of the frikken boulder before it smashes you to pieces because whether it can see you or not, you are matter and if you are in its way you are going to lose.
Being invisible does not give you the ability to allow two handed weapons to pass straight through you mate. Get out the way or suffer the consequences.
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Cloak is intended for escaping wrecking blows? You can already cloak meteors when DKs can't even reflect them any more, so think yourself lucky.GrimMauKin wrote: »When I'm out of Magika I do roll but I don't see the point of carry a skill and then not using it for its intended purpose because it offends others' sensibilities.
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✭✭Maybe you could try dodge rolling, blocking or walking around the swing like everyone else. Cloak doesn't have to be used for everything you know
If its not meant to be used to avoid attacks... what is it meant to be used for?
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✭✭khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »
A crutch for everything, obviously
You didnt answer the question.P2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.1 -
GrimMauKin✭✭✭✭Whether people think it should or not, as it stands cloaking is mean to cancel attacks (and I'm not quite sure how a falling boulder is meant to be comparable, but for incoming attacks cloaking is evasive action); currently it's failing to do so with any reliability and therefore the OP is really just a bug report.
Perhaps I'm being naïve is believing the "Play as you want to" moniker the game was released with meant something, and appreciating that a variety of tactics and playstyles is a good thing.
Whilst Nightblades are clearly not flavour of the month at the moment it's not all that long ago that vocal PvPers were similarly ranting on about how over used rolling/dodge was (presumably wishing that people would just stand there whilst they spammed their favourite big hitter at them).
Sooner or later it'll move on and there'll be a new pet hate. Me, I'd just like the bugs fixed.I am one of The Great Mediocracy, those whose role in life is to provide the baseline by which The Few deem themselves Great.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Cloak has several uses; repositioning yourself in a fight to gain the advantage, or maybe gain a 100% chance critical hit, or a stun, extra damage.. why does it also need to cover you from flaming meteors and basic attacks too? Like I said, Nightblades rely on this skill as a crutch4 -
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✭Cloak has several uses; repositioning yourself in a fight to gain the advantage, or maybe gain a 100% chance critical hit, or a stun, extra damage.. why does it also need to cover you from flaming meteors and basic attacks too? Like I said, Nightblades rely on this skill as a crutch
If Nightblades rely on Cloak as a crutch, then every WB spammer relies on WB as a crutch too.3 -
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✭✭✭In the next patch I feel like Cloak is gonna be used less in PvP. With many of the buffs to magicka and nerfs to stamina most people will run either version of Magelight, which will detect people anyway, in addition to the piercing marks.
I still enjoy playing the nightbalde and have no problems with it but I think cloak might be dropped from many builds due to the amount of builds that will run magelight.Edited by Mashille on February 7, 2016 6:14PMHouse Baratheon: 'Ours Is The Fury'0 -
Refuse2GrowUp✭✭✭✭✭@khele23eb17_ESOkhele23eb17_ESO wrote: »
It is meant to hide from attackers, not cancel, avoid attacks that already target you. You are invisible...not mist form; thus, you can be hit. I am pretty sure one of the patch notes addressed this.
@GrimMauKinGrimMauKin wrote: »In PVE Dark Cloak is hardly cancelling any power attacks at the moment and some are actually starting to charge after I've cloaked (charge type attacks in particular).
Cloak isn't really a PvE skill. You risk losing agro and resetting a fight in PvE if you cloak. I can only imagine it wouldn't really work right in some PvE applications.GrimMauKin wrote: »I appreciate that Cloak appears to be Nerf of the month at the moment...
Nerf of the month...why, because you cannot purge 4 DoTs anymore??! That was extremely broken and was only really a mechanic to ensure you weren't DoT'd and thus getting pulled out of stealth by those DoTs. The effect tho was that you could purge seige and everything else...it was broken! Now, you cannot purge DoTs but you can still cloak and nullify any DoT dmg while cloaked. This is less of a nerf for NBs as it is a move to make siege weapons and make magicka DKs viable again. Not really something to complain about IMO.
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✭✭Cloak has several uses; repositioning yourself in a fight to gain the advantage, or maybe gain a 100% chance critical hit, or a stun, extra damage.. why does it also need to cover you from flaming meteors and basic attacks too? Like I said, Nightblades rely on this skill as a crutch
You cant reposition yourself in cloak if youre decloaked by basic attacks. There are multiple skills which grant you a buff as a secondary effect, that doesnt mean that the primary effect shouldnt work. And the primary effect is evasion. It has been stated by the devs in the past (back when cloak was so broken that someone buffing himself next to you would remove it) that the skill is indeed meant to interrupt charged attacks and make projectiles already in flight towards you miss. They just cant get it working consistently. As for flaming meteors... if you can block them with your swords/staff I dont see why you wouldnt be able to avoid them by turning yourself into a shadow
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The problems is however that it avoids all other attacks that charge that aren't wrecking blow. Snipe, Hard cast Frags etc (Even if they are in mid flight). If it worked the same way with all skills then it would be fine, but it being just with wrecking blow is the problem.House Baratheon: 'Ours Is The Fury'0 -
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✭✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Nerf of the month...why, because you cannot purge 4 DoTs anymore??! That was extremely broken and was only really a mechanic to ensure you weren't DoT'd and thus getting pulled out of stealth by those DoTs. The effect tho was that you could purge seige and everything else...it was broken! Now, you cannot purge DoTs but you can still cloak and nullify any DoT dmg while cloaked. This is less of a nerf for NBs as it is a move to make siege weapons and make magicka DKs viable again. Not really something to complain about IMO.
Thats not it. Some people are annoyed by the nerf but the real outrage is about the combination of the nerf and the change to the magelight spell.P2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.0 -
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I'm personally fine with the Nerf, as NB's have been dominating for a while. But non constant ability behaviors is something that can lead to annoy.House Baratheon: 'Ours Is The Fury'0 -
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A bit ambiguous there, sorry - meant to imply that it was the current number one in calls for it to be nerfed (rather than it had been).Nerf of the month...why, because you cannot purge 4 DoTs anymore??!
Which brings us right back around to the original post which was reporting that cloak isn't working as intended (it never has fully) and suggesting that it could do with a fix.That was extremely broken
Actually it is meant to cancel attacks that have already targeted you and incoming missile attacks should miss/pass through you it's one of the benefits of the skill; the point of the original post is that it isn't. It might not make sense in the real world but in the context of the game it's no more bizarre that arrows turning 90 degrees in flight to hit a target that the mechanics have decided has been hitIt is meant to hide from attackers, not cancel, avoid attacks that already target you.
It's a bit daft to suggest that Nightblades use cloak as a crutch; every class uses its defining skills regularly (probably the most spammed skill I see in PVE is Aedric Spear); it's about what's works for you and your play style. Block and roll can be used just as regularly as cloak.
As mentioned, EOS always seems, rightly or wrongly, to have a pet hate (previously it was roll/dodge and before that snipe and its morphs); there will certainly be others. I don't think that it's for others to dictate how someone plays their character.
Balance is always going to be an ongoing affair and the real problem with cloak in PVP isn't really around cloaking per se (not getting killed is the most important rule of combat as camouflage/stealth technology in modern warfare bears out ) but that the initial burst of damage from a stealth attack (and stealth can be crouched not just cloaked) can be OP - this could be easily addressed.Edited by GrimMauKin on February 7, 2016 6:57PMI am one of The Great Mediocracy, those whose role in life is to provide the baseline by which The Few deem themselves Great.0 -
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Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭If they start charging a Wrecking blow before you cloak, it still hits you after you cloak if you are in range.
Probably needs a fix.
Probably, but it really depends on the range under recognition of your current physical position when calculation of a valid hit has been passed. Technically the "pre calculation" is already done , before you recognize it. If you are "flagged" as a valid target for Damage calculation, it will hit you no matter if you blink, gain more distance with speed or whatever.
In general, you always must go out of the way at the right time, if you do it milliseconds after a succesful calculated trigger you are screwed.
Cloaking only, is never good enough, you always need to dodge , use immovable or whatever to encounter stuff properly. You never know what charged you, its easier to understand with a triggered snipe that needs a while until it hits you. (arrows fly for milliseconds up to a second in the air)
There is no "time stop" or "hit for nothing" for attacks, just because distance changed after valid hit position. Technically the first hit works like a Torpedo that will follow the target.Edited by Bromburak on February 7, 2016 7:16PM0 -
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✭✭Cloak is invisibility not invulnerability.
Two random entries from previous patch notes:
Shadow Cloak:
You can no longer be hit by single target attacks while this ability is active. You also can no longer avoid infamy from lockpicking by using this ability.
Shadow Cloak: This ability and its morphs will now correctly cancel an attacker's channel for the following abilities:
Drain Essence and its morphs
Flurry and its morphs
Lightning Staff heavy attacks
Restoration Staff heavy attacks
The summoned Storm Atronach's Zap
This was ZOS fixing bugs with cloak. Looking at these it should be fairly obvious what the intended functionality of this skill is.P2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.6 -
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✭Cloak has several uses; repositioning yourself in a fight to gain the advantage, or maybe gain a 100% chance critical hit, or a stun, extra damage.. why does it also need to cover you from flaming meteors and basic attacks too? Like I said, Nightblades rely on this skill as a crutch
Have you played a NB? Try using it to re-positioning when everyone rocks AOE on their bar or quaffs detect invis pots. When the next patch goes live this skill will become utterly useless as a resposition due to magelight and major movement decrease changes.
Why does it also need to cover you from meteros and attacks? Um cause the NB class gets no class shields. and apparently with all the anti-cloak changes no escape either.
What is the point of this skill if it can't negate attacks, or be used as an escape? Your argument that it can still be used for 100% crit is weak since crits can be blocked by shields and or mitigated with impenetrable or CPs. Its a wasted slot at that point when I could just slot another attack skill for extra damage.
I find it ironic that your complaint of cloak is coming from someone who primarily plays/played a sorc. You ranged, shield stacking, damaging dealing, mine laying OP class. Sorcs are the only class that the term glass canon doesn't apply too.Edited by LegacyDM on February 7, 2016 7:34PMLegacy of Kain
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✭✭✭✭✭WhitePawPrints wrote: »Cloak has several uses; repositioning yourself in a fight to gain the advantage, or maybe gain a 100% chance critical hit, or a stun, extra damage.. why does it also need to cover you from flaming meteors and basic attacks too? Like I said, Nightblades rely on this skill as a crutch
If Nightblades rely on Cloak as a crutch, then every WB spammer relies on WB as a crutch too.
What? We're talking about avoiding attacks here, not DPS. Pretty sure using WB to avoid a meteor or another WB is a really bad idea2
