In which place leaves the new DLC stamina DKs?

teladoy · February 2016

Magicka DK got a lot of buffs, but what about stamina DKs? in which position are they leaved?

mistermutiny89 · February 2016

Stamina dks are still pretty strong with the right set up and didn't really need that many buffs... To be honest the mag dk got a bit of a nerf in some respects... Draw essence has become more expensive and will give back stuff all magicka compared to how I'd use this skill kind of like siphoning strikes.

Can't make everyone happy I guess and I'm definitely not happy.

Bfish22090 · February 2016

ALL stam builds got nerfed, rightfully so
now we wont see wb spammers anymore and people will actually have to play with skill instead of broken mechanics

teladoy · February 2016

Yes, this is something I always wanted, rightfully gameplay, with balanced classes with magicka and stamina builds. I don't like broken mechanics either, I play with honor.

But, why do you say stamina builds got nerfed? i don't see big changes affecting stamina builds, they just did some touchs and fixes... but nothing more...

D0ntevenL1ft · February 2016

Your damage was cut by around 10% (or more) via champion points

Bfish22090 · February 2016

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Your damage was cut by around 10% (or more) via champion points

25%

mattymaats · February 2016

What happens to a whole class because people moan about a few points which need tweaked.

D0ntevenL1ft · February 2016

Bfish22090 wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Your damage was cut by around 10% (or more) via champion points

25%

Thats assuming everyone only puts points into reducing physical damage... which they won't. My example was what most players will probably sit around with CP

Artjuh90 · February 2016

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Your damage was cut by around 10% (or more) via champion points

25%

Thats assuming everyone only puts points into reducing physical damage... which they won't. My example was what most players will probably sit around with CP

10% is just 27 point investment though. they will invest more in it. quite sure of that.

D0ntevenL1ft · February 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Your damage was cut by around 10% (or more) via champion points

25%

Thats assuming everyone only puts points into reducing physical damage... which they won't. My example was what most players will probably sit around with CP

10% is just 27 point investment though. they will invest more in it. quite sure of that.

Ah didnt realise this was such a low CP investment lol i just pulled a number off in my head. Thanks for the specific data! Then yes people will put more into it it was just an example guuuuuys.

teladoy · February 2016

hmmm what i see is that now we have:

Hardy: This ability now reduces Poison, Disease, and Physical Damage dealt to you, instead of Poison, Disease, and Magical Damage.

Heavy Weapon Expert: This ability now increases your damage against damage shields, instead of increasing your damage with maces and axes. We also renamed this ability to Shattering Blows.

That means that now there is no CP to mitigate magical damage, but yes to mitigate physical... I don't understand why they change one for the other instead of make it balance and have the option to mitigate both kind of damage...

and the other thing is that now they nerfed all damage shields in the sense that now we have CP to increase our damage against them.

MrGigglypants · February 2016

teladoy wrote: »

hmmm what i see is that now we have:

Hardy: This ability now reduces Poison, Disease, and Physical Damage dealt to you, instead of Poison, Disease, and Magical Damage.

Heavy Weapon Expert: This ability now increases your damage against damage shields, instead of increasing your damage with maces and axes. We also renamed this ability to Shattering Blows.

That means that now there is no CP to mitigate magical damage, but yes to mitigate physical... I don't understand why they change one for the other instead of make it balance and have the option to mitigate both kind of damage...

and the other thing is that now they nerfed all damage shields in the sense that now we have CP to increase our damage against them.

Magic is moving to Elemental defender

DemonDruaga · February 2016

teladoy wrote: »

hmmm what i see is that now we have:

That means that now there is no CP to mitigate magical damage, but yes to mitigate physical... I don't understand why they change one for the other instead of make it balance and have the option to mitigate both kind of damage...

doesn't elemental defender take over the job to mitigate magical dmg ?

/edit:

got it for you

Elemental Defender: This ability now reduces Flame, Frost, Shock, and Magic Damage dealt to you, instead of Flame, Frost, and Shock Damage only.

SneaK · February 2016

Reggie Mane the Stray Kat stam DK will still be doing alright.

swiftmoney09 · February 2016

teladoy wrote: »

Yes, this is something I always wanted, rightfully gameplay, with balanced classes with magicka and stamina builds. I don't like broken mechanics either, I play with honor.

But, why do you say stamina builds got nerfed? i don't see big changes affecting stamina builds, they just did some touchs and fixes... but nothing more...

Let me break this down for you. Stamina was barely on par with magika before and now its not even close.

The first issue is that magika builds only need elemental expert to increase their damage while most stamina builds will need that one and mighty. Most ultimates do magic damage and a lot of abilities that stamina players use do magic or elemental damage (killers blade and unstable flame for example).

Secondly, magika users can now reduce physical damage and really dont need to worry about hardy, because of their natuarally high spell resist with light armor and harness.

Third, with the cp cap what stamina build will have enough points to invest in that new shield busting star.

So roll magika or gtfo.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Your damage was cut by around 10% (or more) via champion points

25%

Thats assuming everyone only puts points into reducing physical damage... which they won't. My example was what most players will probably sit around with CP

10% is just 27 point investment though. they will invest more in it. quite sure of that.

Ah didnt realise this was such a low CP investment lol i just pulled a number off in my head. Thanks for the specific data! Then yes people will put more into it it was just an example guuuuuys.

ye im not on PTS but thats the number to hit 10% on the other defensive stats so i could be wrong but i would think it is strange

Morozov · February 2016

swiftmoney09 wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

Yes, this is something I always wanted, rightfully gameplay, with balanced classes with magicka and stamina builds. I don't like broken mechanics either, I play with honor.

But, why do you say stamina builds got nerfed? i don't see big changes affecting stamina builds, they just did some touchs and fixes... but nothing more...

Let me break this down for you. Stamina was barely on par with magika before and now its not even close.

The first issue is that magika builds only need elemental expert to increase their damage while most stamina builds will need that one and mighty. Most ultimates do magic damage and a lot of abilities that stamina players use do magic or elemental damage (killers blade and unstable flame for example).

Secondly, magika users can now reduce physical damage and really dont need to worry about hardy, because of their natuarally high spell resist with light armor and harness.

Third, with the cp cap what stamina build will have enough points to invest in that new shield busting star.

So roll magika or gtfo.

Im gonna disagree on the mag or GTFO. I DO see me switching back to a MagDK when this goes live, but I wanna see the changes as they get closer to live before making any commitments.

This is coming from the standpoint of a current stamDK: I get most of my damage from weapon abilities which focus mainly on physical damage, BIS ulti for me now is take flight/WW/FDB. Take flight because its all phys damage, WW for the regen and uber burst damage when in groups, but I only slot the dawnbreaker for the extra weapon damage and don't really rely on the ulti as a finisher thus not relying on spending CP to increase its magical damage.

I can see SOME, but not ALL stam builds switching over simply because its looks like it will be another option/style to play which has some viability. With the CP changes there isn't really a need to spec too much if any points into the two stars (shattering and mighty) to be able to be viable. You can still go grapenuts into mighty and be able to rock the damage as before. Now you have another tree to go after shield stackers, but its not required.

I feel that they got it right condensing the stars to cover the mitigation from either a magicka based or physical based damage. It looks like it will keep you from splitting stars (which as a magDK you had to do prior to the TG patch) and that's the main benefit from this. Not to diminish one style of play, but to give viability to both.

TBH if you think stam builds were NOT on par with mag in the current patch...you need to L2P better cause they are very good right now....stam blade? stamDK? stamSorc? these are all builds people are currently running in PVP and they can hold their own very well. I can't say anything about PVE, but I have seen people clear vVMA with stam builds so it can't be all bad.

Bromburak · February 2016

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Your damage was cut by around 10% (or more) via champion points

25%

Thats assuming everyone only puts points into reducing physical damage... which they won't. My example was what most players will probably sit around with CP

You might didn't notice but the previous weapon damage on DK skills have been turned into Flame damage as well.
So there are many reasons among CP adjustments to push Magicka builds again and actually USE DK skills instead heavily weapon skill builds.

In general it was pretty boring to use 2-3 DK skills just for buffs and reg only, while most combat skills were outsourced to weapon skills. Thats not the reason why I would chose a class like DK ...

Imo there is a bit more than only DPS peaks, especially when we talk about DK survival in ESO.
With the right build we are immortal monsters.

And since Ember heals like a Boss now, this will change things even more.

Katahdin · February 2016

Yep, the nerfed stam because people 7-10K WB and SA were OP, but 18K overload spam were just fine...lol

swiftmoney09 · February 2016

Morozov wrote: »

swiftmoney09 wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

Yes, this is something I always wanted, rightfully gameplay, with balanced classes with magicka and stamina builds. I don't like broken mechanics either, I play with honor.

But, why do you say stamina builds got nerfed? i don't see big changes affecting stamina builds, they just did some touchs and fixes... but nothing more...

Let me break this down for you. Stamina was barely on par with magika before and now its not even close.

The first issue is that magika builds only need elemental expert to increase their damage while most stamina builds will need that one and mighty. Most ultimates do magic damage and a lot of abilities that stamina players use do magic or elemental damage (killers blade and unstable flame for example).

Secondly, magika users can now reduce physical damage and really dont need to worry about hardy, because of their natuarally high spell resist with light armor and harness.

Third, with the cp cap what stamina build will have enough points to invest in that new shield busting star.

So roll magika or gtfo.

Im gonna disagree on the mag or GTFO. I DO see me switching back to a MagDK when this goes live, but I wanna see the changes as they get closer to live before making any commitments.

This is coming from the standpoint of a current stamDK: I get most of my damage from weapon abilities which focus mainly on physical damage, BIS ulti for me now is take flight/WW/FDB. Take flight because its all phys damage, WW for the regen and uber burst damage when in groups, but I only slot the dawnbreaker for the extra weapon damage and don't really rely on the ulti as a finisher thus not relying on spending CP to increase its magical damage.

I can see SOME, but not ALL stam builds switching over simply because its looks like it will be another option/style to play which has some viability. With the CP changes there isn't really a need to spec too much if any points into the two stars (shattering and mighty) to be able to be viable. You can still go grapenuts into mighty and be able to rock the damage as before. Now you have another tree to go after shield stackers, but its not required.

I feel that they got it right condensing the stars to cover the mitigation from either a magicka based or physical based damage. It looks like it will keep you from splitting stars (which as a magDK you had to do prior to the TG patch) and that's the main benefit from this. Not to diminish one style of play, but to give viability to both.

TBH if you think stam builds were NOT on par with mag in the current patch...you need to L2P better cause they are very good right now....stam blade? stamDK? stamSorc? these are all builds people are currently running in PVP and they can hold their own very well. I can't say anything about PVE, but I have seen people clear vVMA with stam builds so it can't be all bad.

So maybe Im a little premature with the magika or gtfo. Also I do believe stamina is currently on par with magika, at least nb and dk (no l2p necessary). However, I stand by my point that this patch is a pretty big stamina nerf. All things being equal, stamina is doing up to 25% less damage than previously.

There are 4 stars that magika use to increase damage and stamina need 5 (except wb spamming dk maybe). Also like I said, magika doesnt really need hardy but stamina needs it all.

I think the solution is to tweek harness and make all abilities that scale off stamina do physical damage, along with morphs for ults that do physical.