Can we have Undaunted 9 handed to us as well?

dlepi24 · February 2016

You've essentially taken something that takes months to get (alliance rank 10) and now allowing players to get it within a day or two. I don't agree with that at all, but if you're going through with it can you do the same thing on the other side of the spectrum? I don't want to do PvE just as these others don't want to PvP. If you're making it easier for them to get all their skills/passives in 1/10th of the XP, canwe get the same for Undaunted? I'm not sure of the current XP requirements for Undaunted 9 but I'd like to be able to get it in 1/10th of the XP, as well.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

dlepi24 wrote: »

You've essentially taken something that takes months to get (alliance rank 10) and now allowing players to get it within a day or two. I don't agree with that at all, but if you're going through with it can you do the same thing on the other side of the spectrum? I don't want to do PvE just as these others don't want to PvP. If you're making it easier for them to get all their skills/passives in 1/10th of the XP, canwe get the same for Undaunted? I'm not sure of the current XP requirements for Undaunted 9 but I'd like to be able to get it in 1/10th of the XP, as well.

getting easy gear with the trait you want isn't enough. plz

wayfarerx · February 2016

dlepi24 wrote: »

You've essentially taken something that takes months to get (alliance rank 10) and now allowing players to get it within a day or two. I don't agree with that at all, but if you're going through with it can you do the same thing on the other side of the spectrum? I don't want to do PvE just as these others don't want to PvP. If you're making it easier for them to get all their skills/passives in 1/10th of the XP, canwe get the same for Undaunted? I'm not sure of the current XP requirements for Undaunted 9 but I'd like to be able to get it in 1/10th of the XP, as well.

The difference in difficulty on live between getting Undaunted 9 and Assault / Support 10 are enormous. You can get Undaunted 9 simply by running pledges for a couple weeks. It takes months to level the PvP skills.

I have undaunted 9 on two characters just from running dungeons to get the shoulders and helms I wanted. My PvP character, however, has spent WAY more time in Cyrodiil than I've spent in dungeons, and she doesn't even have caltrops yet.

Llyw · February 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

dlepi24 wrote: »

You've essentially taken something that takes months to get (alliance rank 10) and now allowing players to get it within a day or two. I don't agree with that at all, but if you're going through with it can you do the same thing on the other side of the spectrum? I don't want to do PvE just as these others don't want to PvP. If you're making it easier for them to get all their skills/passives in 1/10th of the XP, canwe get the same for Undaunted? I'm not sure of the current XP requirements for Undaunted 9 but I'd like to be able to get it in 1/10th of the XP, as well.

getting easy gear with the trait you want isn't enough. plz

Here we go again, another trying to equate skill line with item pieces. You folks just wont quit, well a lot of folks I believe aren't buying your smoke and mirrors.

Also EVERYONE can buy PvP and Undaunted sets with GOLD and AP. So he is actual everyone, Yep that's right, even YOU.

The OP has a good point, if PvP skill line is 1/10th of what it is now, why is it that Undaunted skill line not be 1/10th of what it is now. Does that actually some how hurt PvE player and if so how?

Artjuh90 · February 2016

Llyw wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

dlepi24 wrote: »

You've essentially taken something that takes months to get (alliance rank 10) and now allowing players to get it within a day or two. I don't agree with that at all, but if you're going through with it can you do the same thing on the other side of the spectrum? I don't want to do PvE just as these others don't want to PvP. If you're making it easier for them to get all their skills/passives in 1/10th of the XP, canwe get the same for Undaunted? I'm not sure of the current XP requirements for Undaunted 9 but I'd like to be able to get it in 1/10th of the XP, as well.

getting easy gear with the trait you want isn't enough. plz

Here we go again, another trying to equate skill line with item pieces. You folks just wont quit, well a lot of folks I believe aren't buying your smoke and mirrors.

Also EVERYONE can buy PvP and Undaunted sets with GOLD and AP. So he is actual everyone, Yep that's right, even YOU.

The OP has a good point, if PvP skill line is 1/10th of what it is now, why is it that Undaunted skill line not be 1/10th of what it is now. Does that actually some how hurt PvE player and if so how?

the passives are a minor boost to you character though while many builds use skills from the alliance skill tree's. THAT'S a large difference

Wollust · February 2016

They catered to the request of the PvE player having faster access to those skills (let's not regard what that will mean in Cyrodiil..). Fair enough. Give the PvPer now faster access to the Undaunted skill line. That's only fair imo.

dlepi24 · February 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

dlepi24 wrote: »

You've essentially taken something that takes months to get (alliance rank 10) and now allowing players to get it within a day or two. I don't agree with that at all, but if you're going through with it can you do the same thing on the other side of the spectrum? I don't want to do PvE just as these others don't want to PvP. If you're making it easier for them to get all their skills/passives in 1/10th of the XP, canwe get the same for Undaunted? I'm not sure of the current XP requirements for Undaunted 9 but I'd like to be able to get it in 1/10th of the XP, as well.

getting easy gear with the trait you want isn't enough. plz

A lot of us don't need the gear with the traits we need because we already grinded to get them. I don't even need undaunted 9 on my characters because I've done enough PvE trying to get the sets I needed that I've leveled them all up. See that? We just went ahead and did the time needed to get what it was we wanted. Now all of you get to come in and get something in a day that took most everyone else months to get. I haven't even bothered to check how much AP it takes to buy the monster sets but I'm guessing it's at least half of the AP it takes to get to alliance rank 10, now. Just for one piece.

nordsavage · February 2016

You can get undaunted 9 in the time it takes to get alliance 4 or 5. Sooner if you are industrious. Plus stamina build's major heal ability is not lock behind undaunted ranks.

leepalmer95 · February 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

You can get undaunted 9 in the time it takes to get alliance 4 or 5. Sooner if you are industrious. Plus stamina build's major heal ability is not lock behind undaunted ranks.

But undaunted is a lot easier. Every baddie is going to be spamming magicka det when being in cyrodill for 2 days. It's a stupid change, the important and useful skills don't take too long to get as it is. Now all the pve players will easily get assault 10.

I should be able to get undaunted 9 in 2 days as well.

Jura23 · February 2016

Let's just give all skills to everybody and of course, all morphs maxed out. You wouldn!t believe how annying lvl them is.

LBxFinalDeath · February 2016

I don't even understand why you'd even ask this?

If you're any decent at PvP you should have no issue breezing through the vet dungeons and getting undaunted 9. (No reason for 10)

Asking for undaunted to be handed to you pretty much is admitting your build is garbage, I guess.

wayfarerx · February 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I should be able to get undaunted 9 in 2 days as well.

Seriously, get a group together, go run all the dungeons, get the speed achivements, get the hard-mode achivements, etc. You could probably get Undaunted 9 in one day.

dlepi24 · February 2016

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

I don't even understand why you'd even ask this?

If you're any decent at PvP you should have no issue breezing through the vet dungeons and getting undaunted 9. (No reason for 10)

Asking for undaunted to be handed to you pretty much is admitting your build is garbage, I guess.

No, just admitting that I'd rather spend the time I have to play this game PvPing, not doing PvE. Is that not exactly the same reason PvE players complained about Alliance Rank 10 and got it nerfed?

Llyw · February 2016

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

I don't even understand why you'd even ask this?

If you're any decent at PvP you should have no issue breezing through the vet dungeons and getting undaunted 9. (No reason for 10)

Asking for undaunted to be handed to you pretty much is admitting your build is garbage, I guess.

"I don't even understand why you'd even ask this?

If you're any decent at PvE you should have no issue breezing through PvP and getting PvP rank 9. (No reason for 10)

Asking for PvP to be handed to you pretty much is admitting your build is garbage, I guess.

dlepi24 · February 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

You can get undaunted 9 in the time it takes to get alliance 4 or 5. Sooner if you are industrious. Plus stamina build's major heal ability is not lock behind undaunted ranks.

No, it's not their main heal. Was it their main heal back when it was rank 10? I don't believe so. It was something that added a lot of benefit to your build but you had to work for it. Not everyone could walk around spamming it. Now, it's their main heal that anyone can get it in a day.

LBxFinalDeath · February 2016

Copy/pasting what I said doesn't really work since ya' know...going past 9 army rank (alliance skills too) does have a reason.

Also PvP builds dominate in PvE excluding the zerg bomb bats build for obv reasons.

PvE builds don't fare that well in PvP.

PvP sadly teaches PvE players that wrecking blow is mandatory.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

Llyw wrote: »

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

I don't even understand why you'd even ask this?

If you're any decent at PvP you should have no issue breezing through the vet dungeons and getting undaunted 9. (No reason for 10)

Asking for undaunted to be handed to you pretty much is admitting your build is garbage, I guess.

"I don't even understand why you'd even ask this?

If you're any decent at PvE you should have no issue breezing through PvP and getting PvP rank 9. (No reason for 10)

Asking for PvP to be handed to you pretty much is admitting your build is garbage, I guess.

so original. did you think this up yourself.
o *** no you even could do that.

leepalmer95 · February 2016

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

I don't even understand why you'd even ask this?

If you're any decent at PvP you should have no issue breezing through the vet dungeons and getting undaunted 9. (No reason for 10)

Asking for undaunted to be handed to you pretty much is admitting your build is garbage, I guess.

Never said it was hard, it's by far a much, much easier grind than alliance ranks.

But i'm a pvper, i spent a lot of time/effort and gold to get my alliance skills on all my characters. It takes time, it requires effort.

Now because some pve players cried 'oh it's too much of a grind / i don't enjoy pvp but want the skill' this is now going to be much easier to get.

Just no, why do pve players think they can dictate what happens to pvp when they don't even play it because it's 'hard'?

Seriously it's 1 zone in the entire game, pve players have 99% of the game to play. If they don't like pvp don't play it.

In order for a pvp player to get his character up for pvp he needs to:

Pve:

Level from 3-v16
Get mage guild 10
Get fighters guild 10
Get unduanted
Grind skill points
Research triats
Level crafting
Grind skills
Grind morphs
Do pledges for equipment with the rng.
Plus the rest.

All to play in the 1 zone the game has for pvp.

If there going to do this then i don't want to pvp but get the benefits of having pve for a while

So give us pvp players preset v16 with 200 skills point all skills/morphs ect... unlocked with mage/fighters guild 10 and undaunted 10. Becauae like the pve we want to play what we enjoy effectively without any effort.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

I don't even understand why you'd even ask this?

If you're any decent at PvP you should have no issue breezing through the vet dungeons and getting undaunted 9. (No reason for 10)

Asking for undaunted to be handed to you pretty much is admitting your build is garbage, I guess.

Never said it was hard, it's by far a much, much easier grind than alliance ranks.

But i'm a pvper, i spent a lot of time/effort and gold to get my alliance skills on all my characters. It takes time, it requires effort.

Now because some pve players cried 'oh it's too much of a grind / i don't enjoy pvp but want the skill' this is now going to be much easier to get.

Just no, why do pve players think they can dictate what happens to pvp when they don't even play it because it's 'hard'?

Seriously it's 1 zone in the entire game, pve players have 99% of the game to play. If they don't like pvp don't play it.

In order for a pvp player to get his character up for pvp he needs to:

Pve:

Level from 3-v16
Get mage guild 10
Get fighters guild 10
Get unduanted
Grind skill points
Research triats
Level crafting
Grind skills
Grind morphs
Do pledges for equipment with the rng.
Plus the rest.

All to play in the 1 zone the game has for pvp.

If there going to do this then i don't want to pvp but get the benefits of having pve for a while

So give us pvp players preset v16 with 200 skills point all skills/morphs ect... unlocked with mage/fighters guild 10 and undaunted 10. Becauae like the pve we want to play what we enjoy effectively without any effort.

no PvE players in cyro = less zerging. isn't that what you guys go for aswell?
and the PvE player needs to do all the above aswell?

dlepi24 · February 2016

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Copy/pasting what I said doesn't really work since ya' know...going past 9 army rank (alliance skills too) does have a reason.

Also PvP builds dominate in PvE excluding the zerg bomb bats build for obv reasons.

PvE builds don't fare that well in PvP.

PvP sadly teaches PvE players that wrecking blow is mandatory.

Wrecking Blow is mandatory? Maybe for the PvE kind of people like yourself, but no, it's not mandatory at all. More so a gimp to yourself than anything else. I love getting matched up against someone with wrecking blow. They spend their entire time trying to counter my circle strafe as I teabag walking around them watching them struggle to hit 1 button. It's funny that you think a good stamina build consists of Wrecking Blow, though. It doesn't surprise me a whole lot.

KochDerDamonen · February 2016

You totally can spam out your undaunted skills in that time period already though, and you don't even rely on having two enemy zergballs mash together so you can get things rolling. Just grab three friends (or mooks) and smush dungeons that you don't have the speed/deathless achievements for yet and you'll be golden.

wayfarerx · February 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So give us pvp players preset v16 with 200 skills point all skills/morphs ect... unlocked with mage/fighters guild 10 and undaunted 10. Becauae like the pve we want to play what we enjoy effectively without any effort.

Well go make a thread about that then. Asking for undaunted to be even easier is asinine.

spawn_to_kill · February 2016

yh should be made easier to get ive always said id even purchase it from crown store and meteor

leepalmer95 · February 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

I don't even understand why you'd even ask this?

If you're any decent at PvP you should have no issue breezing through the vet dungeons and getting undaunted 9. (No reason for 10)

Asking for undaunted to be handed to you pretty much is admitting your build is garbage, I guess.

Never said it was hard, it's by far a much, much easier grind than alliance ranks.

But i'm a pvper, i spent a lot of time/effort and gold to get my alliance skills on all my characters. It takes time, it requires effort.

Now because some pve players cried 'oh it's too much of a grind / i don't enjoy pvp but want the skill' this is now going to be much easier to get.

Just no, why do pve players think they can dictate what happens to pvp when they don't even play it because it's 'hard'?

Seriously it's 1 zone in the entire game, pve players have 99% of the game to play. If they don't like pvp don't play it.

In order for a pvp player to get his character up for pvp he needs to:

Pve:

Level from 3-v16
Get mage guild 10
Get fighters guild 10
Get unduanted
Grind skill points
Research triats
Level crafting
Grind skills
Grind morphs
Do pledges for equipment with the rng.
Plus the rest.

All to play in the 1 zone the game has for pvp.

If there going to do this then i don't want to pvp but get the benefits of having pve for a while

So give us pvp players preset v16 with 200 skills point all skills/morphs ect... unlocked with mage/fighters guild 10 and undaunted 10. Becauae like the pve we want to play what we enjoy effectively without any effort.

no PvE players in cyro = less zerging. isn't that what you guys go for aswell?
and the PvE player needs to do all the above aswell?

Difference is pve players like pve, to me it's just a choir. Just like getting pvp skills is a choir to pve players.

If one is going to be easier the other needs to be.

dlepi24 · February 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So give us pvp players preset v16 with 200 skills point all skills/morphs ect... unlocked with mage/fighters guild 10 and undaunted 10. Becauae like the pve we want to play what we enjoy effectively without any effort.

Well go make a thread about that then. Asking for undaunted to be even easier is asinine.

Asking for 1/10th of the XP for PvP rank 10 is asinine. Not even half. 1/10th.

wayfarerx · February 2016

dlepi24 wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So give us pvp players preset v16 with 200 skills point all skills/morphs ect... unlocked with mage/fighters guild 10 and undaunted 10. Becauae like the pve we want to play what we enjoy effectively without any effort.

Well go make a thread about that then. Asking for undaunted to be even easier is asinine.

Asking for 1/10th of the XP for PvP rank 10 is asinine. Not even half. 1/10th.

Hey man, I don't really care about the alliance war skills or how hard they are to get. I PvP sometimes, I get a little AP here and there, maybe get a rank every so often, whatever. I've never called for the alliance war skills to be easier to get, I've got vigor on my stamblade, I'm happy.

I'm just pointing out that your hyperbolic comparisons to the undaunted line are not well founded. Find a comparison that actually makes sense, like v16 with all the leveling skills unlocked. Undaunted is already easy, your entire premise is flawed.

dlepi24 · February 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

dlepi24 wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So give us pvp players preset v16 with 200 skills point all skills/morphs ect... unlocked with mage/fighters guild 10 and undaunted 10. Becauae like the pve we want to play what we enjoy effectively without any effort.

Well go make a thread about that then. Asking for undaunted to be even easier is asinine.

Asking for 1/10th of the XP for PvP rank 10 is asinine. Not even half. 1/10th.

Hey man, I don't really care about the alliance war skills or how hard they are to get. I PvP sometimes, I get a little AP here and there, maybe get a rank every so often, whatever. I've never called for the alliance war skills to be easier to get, I've got vigor on my stamblade, I'm happy.

I'm just pointing out that your hyperbolic comparisons to the undaunted line are not well founded. Find a comparison that actually makes sense, like v16 with all the leveling skills unlocked. Undaunted is already easy, your entire premise is flawed.

Because you already got that nerfed to Alliance rank 5...

Llyw · February 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Llyw wrote: »

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

I don't even understand why you'd even ask this?

If you're any decent at PvP you should have no issue breezing through the vet dungeons and getting undaunted 9. (No reason for 10)

Asking for undaunted to be handed to you pretty much is admitting your build is garbage, I guess.

"I don't even understand why you'd even ask this?

If you're any decent at PvE you should have no issue breezing through PvP and getting PvP rank 9. (No reason for 10)

Asking for PvP to be handed to you pretty much is admitting your build is garbage, I guess.

so original. did you think this up yourself.
o *** no you even could do that.

Yep I did do that, and it is equally as valid as the quote I was copying. So take your lil ignorant self for a walk down the road as you are not that special despite what you may think.

Ignorant in this case refers to your lack of education as you are or at least seam to be unaware that in English the first word of a sentence is capitalized. Making your posts difficult to read at times.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

I don't even understand why you'd even ask this?

If you're any decent at PvP you should have no issue breezing through the vet dungeons and getting undaunted 9. (No reason for 10)

Asking for undaunted to be handed to you pretty much is admitting your build is garbage, I guess.

Never said it was hard, it's by far a much, much easier grind than alliance ranks.

But i'm a pvper, i spent a lot of time/effort and gold to get my alliance skills on all my characters. It takes time, it requires effort.

Now because some pve players cried 'oh it's too much of a grind / i don't enjoy pvp but want the skill' this is now going to be much easier to get.

Just no, why do pve players think they can dictate what happens to pvp when they don't even play it because it's 'hard'?

Seriously it's 1 zone in the entire game, pve players have 99% of the game to play. If they don't like pvp don't play it.

In order for a pvp player to get his character up for pvp he needs to:

Pve:

Level from 3-v16
Get mage guild 10
Get fighters guild 10
Get unduanted
Grind skill points
Research triats
Level crafting
Grind skills
Grind morphs
Do pledges for equipment with the rng.
Plus the rest.

All to play in the 1 zone the game has for pvp.

If there going to do this then i don't want to pvp but get the benefits of having pve for a while

So give us pvp players preset v16 with 200 skills point all skills/morphs ect... unlocked with mage/fighters guild 10 and undaunted 10. Becauae like the pve we want to play what we enjoy effectively without any effort.

no PvE players in cyro = less zerging. isn't that what you guys go for aswell?
and the PvE player needs to do all the above aswell?

Difference is pve players like pve, to me it's just a choir. Just like getting pvp skills is a choir to pve players.

If one is going to be easier the other needs to be.

so every PvE plays love having to go through cadwells. getting all lore books (im on console so no addons to make it easy), skyshards, put time in the huge time sick that is crafting which has nothing to do with PvE because as far i see it you can't classefy it as any because it's used in both. we also LOVE the RNG in the dungeons
/ sarcasm

ye and the abilty's level while you use them so you can't call that a grind

KochDerDamonen · February 2016

Might as well change the thread title to "Make Undaunted take 10 times the experience to level"

wayfarerx · February 2016

dlepi24 wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

dlepi24 wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So give us pvp players preset v16 with 200 skills point all skills/morphs ect... unlocked with mage/fighters guild 10 and undaunted 10. Becauae like the pve we want to play what we enjoy effectively without any effort.

Well go make a thread about that then. Asking for undaunted to be even easier is asinine.

Asking for 1/10th of the XP for PvP rank 10 is asinine. Not even half. 1/10th.

Hey man, I don't really care about the alliance war skills or how hard they are to get. I PvP sometimes, I get a little AP here and there, maybe get a rank every so often, whatever. I've never called for the alliance war skills to be easier to get, I've got vigor on my stamblade, I'm happy.

I'm just pointing out that your hyperbolic comparisons to the undaunted line are not well founded. Find a comparison that actually makes sense, like v16 with all the leveling skills unlocked. Undaunted is already easy, your entire premise is flawed.

Because you already got that nerfed to Alliance rank 5...

Okay, confirmation that this is just a petulant whine thread. Have fun kids, I'm out!