experienced nightblade PVPers?

DRXHarbinger · February 2016

Personally I'd go all Devines and Shadow mundus your crit will be very high 65%+ so it's worth it. Dump all blue or purple stam glyphs on everything will make the best levelling set.

Caza99 · February 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Personally I'd go all Devines and Shadow mundus your crit will be very high 65%+ so it's worth it. Dump all blue or purple stam glyphs on everything will make the best levelling set.

I prefer not to rely on crit too much because there are so many things that can counter it - CP passives that reduce inc crit damage, impen trait, etc. It is for that reason that players tend to stack weapon damage over crit.
And I don't like leaving things to chance. I'd rather have a guaranteed 6k attack than a 65% chance to do an 8k attack.

DRXHarbinger · February 2016

I get that. I mainly pve and briarheart keeps me alive and hacking down anything in my path. PVP is fine too. Some players go down in seconds some ....well have infinite health. Fair point. Depends how you play. I go for the rush and burn if it fails cloak away lol

Lorkhan · February 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

2 days research? The 6th item alone is 5d9hrs with full perks or sub.

oh....my bad

izJordy · February 2016

can anyone in PS4 eu craft me the set though? i'd appreciate it

much love

NinjaMyk · February 2016

izJordy wrote: »

can anyone in PS4 eu craft me the set though? i'd appreciate it much love

My psn is NinjaMyk drop me a msg I will sort you out. Also if your a red feel free to come pvp with me and if your a blue or yellow you can meet me for practice one guy

izJordy · February 2016

willymchilybily wrote: »

@izJordy the best advice is to upgrade your gear for PVP purple weapons and blue armour at your level is good enough i found

i particularly like these bar options for skills

For gear i run 7x medium (no undaunted mettle):
5 x hundings rage
1 x blood spawn
1 x Molag kena
3 x agility jewlery (all weapon power)
1 x maelstrom weapon(s)
mundus stone: Thief

I am using magicka/stam drinks at the moment because i like the regen (tri-stat worthless on a vamp). But when i started out i used food for more health until i was use to the class and magicka potions over stamina for the extra cloak. i also use crit charge now i have the maelstrom 2h but ambush is really good.

My character stats are as follows:

I would suggest you wont be able to get maelstrom weapons + monster sets so make a 3 piece of night mother and at V6 you can get some okay jewlery from AP vendors enchant 1 to 2 with weapon damage and the others with stam regen.

Alternatively what i would also consider, 5 piece night silence and 3 piece night mother with the same jewlery options if you are not a vampire.

so i've done everything, got all the sets i needed, i have around 2600-2800 weapon damage, is that good enough? and i have only 40% crit damage and 24k stamina 9-10k magica and only 18k health? is this bad? i've done everything, dunno how to get my health up 20k or anything else, got the sets, done everything i could? are the stats fine for pvp?

sneaky_t · February 2016

izJordy wrote: »

so i've done everything, got all the sets i needed, i have around 2600-2800 weapon damage, is that good enough? and i have only 40% crit damage and 24k stamina 9-10k magica and only 18k health? is this bad? i've done everything, dunno how to get my health up 20k or anything else, got the sets, done everything i could? are the stats fine for pvp?

thats fine for your level, you could get higher stats but you should be able to get by. CP also increases your stats, so if you dont have many you wont reach the numbers others can.

Barlthump · February 2016

izJordy wrote: »

if any of you is a stamina nightblade and pretty good at PVP i'd love some information and help..
so i'm vet 2 and i've started doing PVP in cyrodill, i can kill people when i gang up on them with 500 people lmao, i'm like Just hitting and taking assists..

1v1 nor a 2v1 i'd still get destroyed.. you can always recommend a build but my build is pretty fine.. and the way i play is allright tho, not the best but it isn't bad at all, the thing is Just.. i'm not doing any damage whatsoever lmao, i'd ambush, suprise attack, name it even wrecking blow and i wouldn't do any damage to them and they would Just kill me in a few shots, i'm useless.. prob my stats aren't the best lmao.. i don't have gear, nothing, just random items from drops..

my weapon damage is 1500, stamina 20K, health 20K and magicka 9-10K when scaled to vet 15.. but my critical damage and chance are 15%? i've heard you need that 50%+ can someone explain to me how do i get my critical chance and damage % up? how do i get a decent gear to start out in pvp? etc etc..

What gear are you running? It's impossible to be at 15% crit.

Get a local crafter to make you 5 pc night mothers gaze, 3 pc hundings rage, get the shadow stone. Try make your gear to at least purple. If you are NA PC hit me up. Send me a mail. I'll gladly help you out. For pvp ideally you would want to run a bow and 2h. So you start with snipe--> silver shards or poison injection--> ambush--> death stroke--> SA with animation cancel (by now his break free from the snipe stun wouldve ended) -->fear -->death stroke--> assassinate. And remember BUFF up with rally, double take, camo hunter and relentless focus. Make sure you have flawless dawnbreaker on your bow Bar as the ultimate for that juicy 8% weapon damage.

izJordy · February 2016

Barlthump wrote: »

izJordy wrote: »

if any of you is a stamina nightblade and pretty good at PVP i'd love some information and help..
so i'm vet 2 and i've started doing PVP in cyrodill, i can kill people when i gang up on them with 500 people lmao, i'm like Just hitting and taking assists..

1v1 nor a 2v1 i'd still get destroyed.. you can always recommend a build but my build is pretty fine.. and the way i play is allright tho, not the best but it isn't bad at all, the thing is Just.. i'm not doing any damage whatsoever lmao, i'd ambush, suprise attack, name it even wrecking blow and i wouldn't do any damage to them and they would Just kill me in a few shots, i'm useless.. prob my stats aren't the best lmao.. i don't have gear, nothing, just random items from drops..

my weapon damage is 1500, stamina 20K, health 20K and magicka 9-10K when scaled to vet 15.. but my critical damage and chance are 15%? i've heard you need that 50%+ can someone explain to me how do i get my critical chance and damage % up? how do i get a decent gear to start out in pvp? etc etc..

What gear are you running? It's impossible to be at 15% crit.

Get a local crafter to make you 5 pc night mothers gaze, 3 pc hundings rage, get the shadow stone. Try make your gear to at least purple. If you are NA PC hit me up. Send me a mail. I'll gladly help you out. For pvp ideally you would want to run a bow and 2h. So you start with snipe--> silver shards or poison injection--> ambush--> death stroke--> SA with animation cancel (by now his break free from the snipe stun wouldve ended) -->fear -->death stroke--> assassinate. And remember BUFF up with rally, double take, camo hunter and relentless focus. Make sure you have flawless dawnbreaker on your bow Bar as the ultimate for that juicy 8% weapon damage.

5 hundings rage, 2 night mother + the weapons night mother, will that do? and shouldn't i get warrior stone for more dmg? also dual wield and 2h for additional weapon damage?

Barlthump · February 2016

izJordy wrote: »

Barlthump wrote: »

izJordy wrote: »

if any of you is a stamina nightblade and pretty good at PVP i'd love some information and help..
so i'm vet 2 and i've started doing PVP in cyrodill, i can kill people when i gang up on them with 500 people lmao, i'm like Just hitting and taking assists..

1v1 nor a 2v1 i'd still get destroyed.. you can always recommend a build but my build is pretty fine.. and the way i play is allright tho, not the best but it isn't bad at all, the thing is Just.. i'm not doing any damage whatsoever lmao, i'd ambush, suprise attack, name it even wrecking blow and i wouldn't do any damage to them and they would Just kill me in a few shots, i'm useless.. prob my stats aren't the best lmao.. i don't have gear, nothing, just random items from drops..

my weapon damage is 1500, stamina 20K, health 20K and magicka 9-10K when scaled to vet 15.. but my critical damage and chance are 15%? i've heard you need that 50%+ can someone explain to me how do i get my critical chance and damage % up? how do i get a decent gear to start out in pvp? etc etc..

What gear are you running? It's impossible to be at 15% crit.

Get a local crafter to make you 5 pc night mothers gaze, 3 pc hundings rage, get the shadow stone. Try make your gear to at least purple. If you are NA PC hit me up. Send me a mail. I'll gladly help you out. For pvp ideally you would want to run a bow and 2h. So you start with snipe--> silver shards or poison injection--> ambush--> death stroke--> SA with animation cancel (by now his break free from the snipe stun wouldve ended) -->fear -->death stroke--> assassinate. And remember BUFF up with rally, double take, camo hunter and relentless focus. Make sure you have flawless dawnbreaker on your bow Bar as the ultimate for that juicy 8% weapon damage.

5 hundings rage, 2 night mother + the weapons night mother, will that do? and shouldn't i get warrior stone for more dmg? also dual wield and 2h for additional weapon damage?

Yeah it will do. I like the bow because of the utility it will give you because of the move speed boost after the dodge roll. Oh and as for the mundus. Warrior gives you a flat damage increase whereas shadow gives you a % increase and with CP into precise strikes plus the 10% on your assassination passive, it will net you more dps. Dual weild is good but it leaves you very open if your out in cyro out numbered cause you can't do much range dps.

KhajiitiLizard · February 2016

1500 weapon damage? One of my magic build characters had more weapon damage than that. On my stamblade I could reach like 3,400 weapon damage fully buffed...

That's your problem. You are hitting worse than a wet noodle.

Sunburnt_Penguin · February 2016

I had the same problem a few days ago on my Vet1, I just kept getting wrecked by everyone and felt so underpowered 1v1.

(TL;DR at the bottom)

I found that changing the below helped a lot:
- attribute allocation of M/H/S from 3/14/32 to 0/0/49
- using precise traits on weapons, changing my champion point allocation, and Mundus Stone to Thief (I have 4 Mundus Stone pieces)
- Glyphs on jewellery to Max Stam and regen (will get one increased weapon damage/crit(if poss) when I can)

I'm currently using 5x Night's Silence and 2x Ashen Grip so until I can craft weapons and get Hunding's & Night Mother's sets my weapon damage is quite low:
Changes:
Health from 13k to 11k (get ~22k in PvP with food)
- Stam from 16k to 20k (get ~29k in PvP with food)
- Stam regen from 1437 to 1378 (1720 in PvP (decrease is due to changing Mundus Stone but I'm not too bothered because I want my fights to be short so higher Max Stam is better before me))
- Weapon damage from ~1068 to 1115 (2h (1678 in PvP)) and 947 (bow (1378 in PvP))
- Crit damage from 27% (2h) and 34% (bow) to 48% and 52%, respectively,
- Physical resistance from 8166 to 8242 (11k in PvP)

My skills are these:
Bow:
1. Piercing Mark
2. Dark Cloak
3. Mass Hysteria (handy if I get ganked as it gives me a few seconds to mark them and switch to my 2h)
4. Poison Injection (prefer this over Focused Aim due to shorter cast time)
5. Double Take (good for evasion as you get 4 seconds of 40% speed boost which draws off Magicka pool and can be used whilst stealth)

2h:
1. Rally (keep active every 30 seconds when I'm wielding as it gives 20% extra weapon damage and heals me for 473 every 2 seconds and 710 when it ends (basically 8k of healing which can be great in a fight))
2. Dark Cloak (may switch this out for something else but I find its useful for surprise attack and health regen/evasion in a fight)
3. Wrecking Blow (did have Mass Hysteria again here but I felt like I needed something more powerful to hit them with when they're stunned and cloak/surprise attack doesn't always proc if I'm close and ~8k base damage isn't to be snuffed at)
4. Ambush (basically spam this)
5. Surprise Attack (use whilst cloaked or I'm low on Stam)

Feeling much better now and pretty strong tbh. My V1 mate got ganked yesterday by a V16 NB, he told he'd gone so I left the Keep and went to revive him but he hadn't and I got ambushed. I don't know exactly how (maybe his controller went off or he was ***), but I still managed to take him down to minimal health in around 5-8 seconds just using stuns until others came and one hit him. I had ~80% by the time he died and my mate saw my health regening so Rally must've been working.

TL; DR increase your crit %, Max Stam and weapon damage, use your skills wisely and learn where they are so it's instinctive.

izJordy · February 2016

Barlthump wrote: »

izJordy wrote: »

Barlthump wrote: »

izJordy wrote: »

if any of you is a stamina nightblade and pretty good at PVP i'd love some information and help..
so i'm vet 2 and i've started doing PVP in cyrodill, i can kill people when i gang up on them with 500 people lmao, i'm like Just hitting and taking assists..

1v1 nor a 2v1 i'd still get destroyed.. you can always recommend a build but my build is pretty fine.. and the way i play is allright tho, not the best but it isn't bad at all, the thing is Just.. i'm not doing any damage whatsoever lmao, i'd ambush, suprise attack, name it even wrecking blow and i wouldn't do any damage to them and they would Just kill me in a few shots, i'm useless.. prob my stats aren't the best lmao.. i don't have gear, nothing, just random items from drops..

my weapon damage is 1500, stamina 20K, health 20K and magicka 9-10K when scaled to vet 15.. but my critical damage and chance are 15%? i've heard you need that 50%+ can someone explain to me how do i get my critical chance and damage % up? how do i get a decent gear to start out in pvp? etc etc..

What gear are you running? It's impossible to be at 15% crit.

Get a local crafter to make you 5 pc night mothers gaze, 3 pc hundings rage, get the shadow stone. Try make your gear to at least purple. If you are NA PC hit me up. Send me a mail. I'll gladly help you out. For pvp ideally you would want to run a bow and 2h. So you start with snipe--> silver shards or poison injection--> ambush--> death stroke--> SA with animation cancel (by now his break free from the snipe stun wouldve ended) -->fear -->death stroke--> assassinate. And remember BUFF up with rally, double take, camo hunter and relentless focus. Make sure you have flawless dawnbreaker on your bow Bar as the ultimate for that juicy 8% weapon damage.

5 hundings rage, 2 night mother + the weapons night mother, will that do? and shouldn't i get warrior stone for more dmg? also dual wield and 2h for additional weapon damage?

Yeah it will do. I like the bow because of the utility it will give you because of the move speed boost after the dodge roll. Oh and as for the mundus. Warrior gives you a flat damage increase whereas shadow gives you a % increase and with CP into precise strikes plus the 10% on your assassination passive, it will net you more dps. Dual weild is good but it leaves you very open if your out in cyro out numbered cause you can't do much range dps.

that makes sence, been in situations where i needed my bow so badly, but that is useally when i'm doing lil damage to people from a distance like in group fights, but for a 1v1, i don't really use my bow alot, how should my cps look? for thief i've only put cps into mooncall, and for warrior i've only put into hardy and elemental defender, and for mage i've put into mighty and precise strike.

also for the buffs why should i put flawless downbreaker and camo hunter etc on my bow bar? if i put it on my main weapon the 2H i'll do more damage with that