experienced nightblade PVPers?

izJordy · February 2016

if any of you is a stamina nightblade and pretty good at PVP i'd love some information and help..
so i'm vet 2 and i've started doing PVP in cyrodill, i can kill people when i gang up on them with 500 people lmao, i'm like Just hitting and taking assists..

1v1 nor a 2v1 i'd still get destroyed.. you can always recommend a build but my build is pretty fine.. and the way i play is allright tho, not the best but it isn't bad at all, the thing is Just.. i'm not doing any damage whatsoever lmao, i'd ambush, suprise attack, name it even wrecking blow and i wouldn't do any damage to them and they would Just kill me in a few shots, i'm useless.. prob my stats aren't the best lmao.. i don't have gear, nothing, just random items from drops..

my weapon damage is 1500, stamina 20K, health 20K and magicka 9-10K when scaled to vet 15.. but my critical damage and chance are 15%? i've heard you need that 50%+ can someone explain to me how do i get my critical chance and damage % up? how do i get a decent gear to start out in pvp? etc etc..

Etaniel · February 2016

izJordy wrote: »

if any of you is a stamina nightblade and pretty good at PVP i'd love some information and help..
so i'm vet 2 and i've started doing PVP in cyrodill, i can kill people when i gang up on them with 500 people lmao, i'm like Just hitting and taking assists..

1v1 nor a 2v1 i'd still get destroyed.. you can always recommend a build but my build is pretty fine.. and the way i play is allright tho, not the best but it isn't bad at all, the thing is Just.. i'm not doing any damage whatsoever lmao, i'd ambush, suprise attack, name it even wrecking blow and i wouldn't do any damage to them and they would Just kill me in a few shots, i'm useless.. prob my stats aren't the best lmao.. i don't have gear, nothing, just random items from drops..

my weapon damage is 1500, stamina 20K, health 20K and magicka 9-10K when scaled to vet 15.. but my critical damage and chance are 15%? i've heard you need that 50%+ can someone explain to me how do i get my critical chance and damage % up? how do i get a decent gear to start out in pvp? etc etc..

Well, best advice is get to vr 16.... You'll need agility jewelry, kena shoulders/helmet, VMA weapons, all that good stuff that you can't get while v2. One vet rank is one hour of grinding in the sewers, just do it and be done with it ! And then you can focus on sorting out your gear/build

(stamblade has the most broken damage atm, so you'll be fine)

izJordy · February 2016

Etaniel wrote: »

izJordy wrote: »

if any of you is a stamina nightblade and pretty good at PVP i'd love some information and help..
so i'm vet 2 and i've started doing PVP in cyrodill, i can kill people when i gang up on them with 500 people lmao, i'm like Just hitting and taking assists..

1v1 nor a 2v1 i'd still get destroyed.. you can always recommend a build but my build is pretty fine.. and the way i play is allright tho, not the best but it isn't bad at all, the thing is Just.. i'm not doing any damage whatsoever lmao, i'd ambush, suprise attack, name it even wrecking blow and i wouldn't do any damage to them and they would Just kill me in a few shots, i'm useless.. prob my stats aren't the best lmao.. i don't have gear, nothing, just random items from drops..

my weapon damage is 1500, stamina 20K, health 20K and magicka 9-10K when scaled to vet 15.. but my critical damage and chance are 15%? i've heard you need that 50%+ can someone explain to me how do i get my critical chance and damage % up? how do i get a decent gear to start out in pvp? etc etc..

Well, best advice is get to vr 16.... You'll need agility jewelry, kena shoulders/helmet, VMA weapons, all that good stuff that you can't get while v2. One vet rank is one hour of grinding in the sewers, just do it and be done with it ! And then you can focus on sorting out your gear/build (stamblade has the most broken damage atm, so you'll be fine)

i didn't know you can level up quick in the sewers, and i've still seen vet 2's beat the *** out of me, i know i should lvl up first and now since you told me a faster way i deff will, if you could give me a lil more information in how? i just kill mobs in the sewers that is it? and i wanna pvp to get my vigor, isn't their any way to be a lil stronger for a vet 2?

sneaky_t · February 2016

ask in guilds and popular zones for someone to craft you gear, an easy setup to obtain would be 5 hundings/3 night silence (5 hundings armor/2 night silence armor with 2h sword and bow night silence all medium with at least blue quality) and 2 rings/neck with set pieces on if possible (or just 2rings/neck with robust/healthy trait and weapondamage or stamina regen enchant) that will work until you can get some proper gear at v16. try to get your hp above 18k but 20k its a good number to aim for. put the rest of your attribute points/armor enchants into stamina. also run stam/magica or stam/hp/magica regen drink.

Also there is a passive in the CP tree that gives you 12% crit. make sure you unlock it when you get enough points

NinjaMyk · February 2016

Get some gear as it will make you much stronger while you level to v16. You can get a 5 piece hundings rage set made pretty easily. (If you are ps4 EU I can do this for you) as your low level I assume you don't have loads of champ points so you might want to make your remaining two armour pieces and weapons something to help with resources (night silence for example). Make sure you keep jewllery up to date preferably with the robust trait and Stam recovery or weapon damage enchants. And enchant your gear, try and aim for 20k health with the scaling in pvp and the rest into stamina.

Also try and use moves that apply buffs or debuffs it makes a real difference for example using momentum or hidden blade and their morphs will boost wep damage by 20% so keep that buff up. the grim focus buff as your a nightblade is 8% extra damage so once again keep that active and try and hit opponents with surprise attack early as it debuffs their armour.

Finally don't forget to use cc moves as it makes opponents use recorces to break free. Fear is an amazing cc for pvp I would suggest you use this move.

raasdal · February 2016

izJordy wrote: »

i don't have gear, nothing, just random items from drops..

my weapon damage is 1500, stamina 20K, health 20K and magicka 9-10K when scaled to vet 15.. but my critical damage and chance are 15%? i've heard you need that 50%+ can someone explain to me how do i get my critical chance and damage % up? how do i get a decent gear to start out in pvp? etc etc..

THIS is your problem right here.

You do NOT need to level to VR16 to do well in PvP, with the new scaling system. I can take my Lvl 36 - Yes, Lvl 36 Magicka NB into vet campaigns and destroy people. Why? Below are my stats;

Spell Damage; 3000 Unbuffed. So about 3600-4000 when buffed with Entropy and in stealth.
Max Magicka: 41.000
Health: 26.000
Stamina: 16.000
Magicka Regen; 1900

I have about 200 CP.

For you to do ANY kind of damage, on your Stam NB, you need 3000 Weapon Damage, 30.000 or more Stamina (depends on wether drinks or food is preferred).

It all comes down to your gear i am afraid. For you to be competitive ALL your gear must be;

Same level or within one level of you.
Part of a Set. For Stam NB you could go either Hundings + Nights Silence or Willows + Nights Silence. All craftable sets.
Be purple, with Purple enchants.
Be Infused or Divines
Weapon must be Golden. If Dual Wield, can accept Purple.

laksikus · February 2016

raasdal wrote: »

izJordy wrote: »

i don't have gear, nothing, just random items from drops..

my weapon damage is 1500, stamina 20K, health 20K and magicka 9-10K when scaled to vet 15.. but my critical damage and chance are 15%? i've heard you need that 50%+ can someone explain to me how do i get my critical chance and damage % up? how do i get a decent gear to start out in pvp? etc etc..

THIS is your problem right here.

You do NOT need to level to VR16 to do well in PvP, with the new scaling system. I can take my Lvl 36 - Yes, Lvl 36 Magicka NB into vet campaigns and destroy people. Why? Below are my stats;

Spell Damage; 3000 Unbuffed. So about 3600-4000 when buffed with Entropy and in stealth.
Max Magicka: 41.000
Health: 26.000
Stamina: 16.000
Magicka Regen; 1900

I have about 200 CP.

For you to do ANY kind of damage, on your Stam NB, you need 3000 Weapon Damage, 30.000 or more Stamina (depends on wether drinks or food is preferred).

It all comes down to your gear i am afraid. For you to be competitive ALL your gear must be;

Same level or within one level of you.
Part of a Set. For Stam NB you could go either Hundings + Nights Silence or Willows + Nights Silence. All craftable sets.
Be purple, with Purple enchants.
Be Infused or Divines
Weapon must be Golden. If Dual Wield, can accept Purple.

Partly Wrong.
You dont need purple armor. Blue and purple give the same hundings value.
And Gold gear isnt required at all.

And grind Ing to v16 is actually the worst thing you can do. You will be weaker as v16 than you can be now with half decent gear
Hundings and nightmother are craftable and as rings you can take shadow walker, so no need for agility.
Kena shouldees? Dont need them there are enough craftable Sets.

willymchilybily · February 2016

@izJordy the best advice is to upgrade your gear for PVP purple weapons and blue armour at your level is good enough i found

i particularly like these bar options for skills

For gear i run 7x medium (no undaunted mettle):
5 x hundings rage
1 x blood spawn
1 x Molag kena
3 x agility jewlery (all weapon power)
1 x maelstrom weapon(s)
mundus stone: Thief

I am using magicka/stam drinks at the moment because i like the regen (tri-stat worthless on a vamp). But when i started out i used food for more health until i was use to the class and magicka potions over stamina for the extra cloak. i also use crit charge now i have the maelstrom 2h but ambush is really good.

My character stats are as follows:

I would suggest you wont be able to get maelstrom weapons + monster sets so make a 3 piece of night mother and at V6 you can get some okay jewlery from AP vendors enchant 1 to 2 with weapon damage and the others with stam regen.

Alternatively what i would also consider, 5 piece night silence and 3 piece night mother with the same jewlery options if you are not a vampire.

Johngo0036 · February 2016

@izJordy - My advice at vr 2 is to get 5 pce ravager set,
rings, neck, body and legs,

Have someone make to hundings rage for the rest,
Make sure you have at least 4 pieces impenetrable,

Enchant all to stamina on armour,
on rings go reduce stam cost, weapon damage.

I suse 2 maes, sharpened
and bow/2H also sharpened....

all attributes into stamina,

izJordy · February 2016

NinjaMyk wrote: »

Get some gear as it will make you much stronger while you level to v16. You can get a 5 piece hundings rage set made pretty easily. (If you are ps4 EU I can do this for you) as your low level I assume you don't have loads of champ points so you might want to make your remaining two armour pieces and weapons something to help with resources (night silence for example). Make sure you keep jewllery up to date preferably with the robust trait and Stam recovery or weapon damage enchants. And enchant your gear, try and aim for 20k health with the scaling in pvp and the rest into stamina.

Also try and use moves that apply buffs or debuffs it makes a real difference for example using momentum or hidden blade and their morphs will boost wep damage by 20% so keep that buff up. the grim focus buff as your a nightblade is 8% extra damage so once again keep that active and try and hit opponents with surprise attack early as it debuffs their armour.

Finally don't forget to use cc moves as it makes opponents use recorces to break free. Fear is an amazing cc for pvp I would suggest you use this move.

i'm PS4 EU, i'd appreciate it if you could help me out, and indeed i have around 26 champion points, but i'm wearing random gear, i don't have much gold to repair my stuff all the time so whenever i get a drop even if its green i'll just wear it, so my gear is pretty random lol..

DRXHarbinger · February 2016

5 x Briarheart Inc jewelry, 5 x hundings on dual wield and then bloodspawn or Kena. Even warden as it makes you stupidly tanky.

izJordy · February 2016

can someone make me the set please :c and i shouldn't use 2h?

DRXHarbinger · February 2016

You want dual wield and either 2h or bow. I carry all 3. You never know when the time to snipe may come about. What platform are you on?

Lorkhan · February 2016

etaniel is right about get to v16 alrdy.
but you dont need agility jewelry, kena shoulders/helmet, VMA weapons.
i can have a lot of fun in pvp without it. and be competitive.

to get maelstrom arena and kena gear you would need to do a LOT of pve. hours and hours of boring pve grind
to get agility rings you will need a lot of money or a lot of lucky. (robust agility selling for 180k gold -pc/na)
you can use v16 robust endurance jewelry enchanted with weapon power. its good and cheap
get 5 hunding' rage set + 3 ashen grip or night silence. . in 2 days you can research the traits needed to craft this sets yourself

DRXHarbinger · February 2016

2 days research? The 6th item alone is 5d9hrs with full perks or sub.

Skinzz · February 2016

Sounds like op is wearing non set armor. And has no passives in assasination/shadow/medium armor.

SneaK · February 2016

Some of the advice in here is awful.

You don't need 3k+ weapon damage, don't force yourself to grind, and you don't need purple gear.

Just pick a set here ESO Crafted Sets and have someone make it for you. When I leveled a Stamblade I used Night's Silence cause it was easy to make. It definitely wasn't best in slot, but I was still able to kill ppl. If you find someone that can do Hundling's for you go that route. It doesn't need to be purple though.

Your weapon crit will go up once you unlock enough champ points and you can then invest them into the Ritual constellation. If you put 30 points into that constellation you can unlock "Perfect Strike" which will increase your crit by 12%. Those champs points will come easy just by playing.

Skinzz · February 2016

SneaK wrote: »

Some of the advice in here is awful.

You don't need 3k+ weapon damage, don't force yourself to grind, and you don't need purple gear.

Just pick a set here ESO Crafted Sets and have someone make it for you. When I leveled a Stamblade I used Night's Silence cause it was easy to make. It definitely wasn't best in slot, but I was still able to kill ppl. If you find someone that can do Hundling's for you go that route. It doesn't need to be purple though.

Your weapon crit will go up once you unlock enough champ points and you can then invest them into the Ritual constellation. If you put 30 points into that constellation you can unlock "Perfect Strike" which will increase your crit by 12%. Those champs points will come easy just by playing.

I disagree with not needing 3k weapon damage. Nightblades are already squishy so you need the weapon damage to kill someone before you get killed. My nightblde is only vet 1 and fully buffed has 3k weapon damage, 30k stam, 27k hp, 2100 stam regen and 57% crit. OP needs set armor as his stats cleary indicates hes wearing pve dropped armor.

SneaK · February 2016

xskinzcity wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Some of the advice in here is awful.

You don't need 3k+ weapon damage, don't force yourself to grind, and you don't need purple gear.

Just pick a set here ESO Crafted Sets and have someone make it for you. When I leveled a Stamblade I used Night's Silence cause it was easy to make. It definitely wasn't best in slot, but I was still able to kill ppl. If you find someone that can do Hundling's for you go that route. It doesn't need to be purple though.

Your weapon crit will go up once you unlock enough champ points and you can then invest them into the Ritual constellation. If you put 30 points into that constellation you can unlock "Perfect Strike" which will increase your crit by 12%. Those champs points will come easy just by playing.

I disagree with not needing 3k weapon damage. Nightblades are already squishy so you need the weapon damage to kill someone before you get killed. My nightblde is only vet 1 and fully buffed has 3k weapon damage, 30k stam, 27k hp, 2100 stam regen and 57% crit. OP needs set armor as his stats cleary indicates hes wearing pve dropped armor.

Well, I said OP should get a crafted set, but what I also said is that he doesn't need 3k+ damage to kill someone. I leveled a StamNB from 1-V15 with under 3K weapon damage, I have about 22K kills in Cyro, you can disagree but I KNOW it's not a necessity.

DRXHarbinger · February 2016

Not needed no. But it makes it a bit quicker.

izJordy · February 2016

SneaK wrote: »

Some of the advice in here is awful.

You don't need 3k+ weapon damage, don't force yourself to grind, and you don't need purple gear.

Just pick a set here ESO Crafted Sets and have someone make it for you. When I leveled a Stamblade I used Night's Silence cause it was easy to make. It definitely wasn't best in slot, but I was still able to kill ppl. If you find someone that can do Hundling's for you go that route. It doesn't need to be purple though.

Your weapon crit will go up once you unlock enough champ points and you can then invest them into the Ritual constellation. If you put 30 points into that constellation you can unlock "Perfect Strike" which will increase your crit by 12%. Those champs points will come easy just by playing.

when i get my set crafted, not sure how it works but does it need +stamina? or health or what kind of bonuses or i just get it crafted and done?

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

Hunding's rage will help your weapon damage, use tri regen drinks for resource management, wear all impenetrable, use mass hysteria, and get your health around 23k in Cyrodiil, and your stamina around 25k. That should be a good start. 3 piece ashen grip will do you good as well.

Caza99 · February 2016

Stamina nightblade - in fact stamina in general - has insane damage output in the game at the moment, so 3k weapon dmg definitely isn't required. Having said that tho, getting 3k really isn't all that difficult and is the number you want to aim for.
A good gear setup might be 5 hundings, 3 ashen grip, 3 agility or endurance. The game currently rewards burst damage over sustain, which is why most people will suggest stacking so much weapon damage. Personally I prefer a balance of burst and sustain. I usually aim for around 2-2.5k recovery, 30k max stam and 3-3.5k weapon damage.
I've been a magicka nb for sometime now, so if I am mistaken I'm sure people will correct me :P

SneaK · February 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Not needed no. But it makes it a bit quicker.

I agree with that. But, if he can learn to kill with less, he'll be a much better player when he hits V16 and is fully geared...

izJordy wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Some of the advice in here is awful.

You don't need 3k+ weapon damage, don't force yourself to grind, and you don't need purple gear.

Just pick a set here ESO Crafted Sets and have someone make it for you. When I leveled a Stamblade I used Night's Silence cause it was easy to make. It definitely wasn't best in slot, but I was still able to kill ppl. If you find someone that can do Hundling's for you go that route. It doesn't need to be purple though.

Your weapon crit will go up once you unlock enough champ points and you can then invest them into the Ritual constellation. If you put 30 points into that constellation you can unlock "Perfect Strike" which will increase your crit by 12%. Those champs points will come easy just by playing.

when i get my set crafted, not sure how it works but does it need +stamina? or health or what kind of bonuses or i just get it crafted and done?

You'll want about 20k health in Cyrodiil (at least that seems to be the common goal) and once achieved, yes you would want to enchant everything else with Stamina Glyphs.

Someone else said this, Magicka pots a stamNB's friend, make sure you have those on deck for when you need to extend that cloak... (assuming you are tight for cash and can't afford tripots)

izJordy · February 2016

Caza99 wrote: »

Stamina nightblade - in fact stamina in general - has insane damage output in the game at the moment, so 3k weapon dmg definitely isn't required. Having said that tho, getting 3k really isn't all that difficult and is the number you want to aim for.
A good gear setup might be 5 hundings, 3 ashen grip, 3 agility or endurance. The game currently rewards burst damage over sustain, which is why most people will suggest stacking so much weapon damage. Personally I prefer a balance of burst and sustain. I usually aim for around 2-2.5k recovery, 30k max stam and 3-3.5k weapon damage.
I've been a magicka nb for sometime now, so if I am mistaken I'm sure people will correct me :P

for the sets does it matter what parts? the hundings rage chest and .. and .. and the ashen belt or.. does it matter?

DRXHarbinger · February 2016

Saying all this. When I was V5 I had 3200 damage using just purple weapons and full hundings and night mother and poverty spec blue glyphs. It's easy and will last up to like V10 before you need to recraft it. It's an easy build. For easy NB grinding try and get WW as it's beast mode then. If XB EU I can bite you at present.

sneaky_t · February 2016

izJordy wrote: »

when i get my set crafted, not sure how it works but does it need +stamina? or health or what kind of bonuses or i just get it crafted and done?

just make sure you hit at least 18k-20k hp, then dump the rest into stamina. after someone has crafted a set for you, you will need to put enchants on the armor. you can buy basic enchants from enchanters in cyrodiil or the v2 zone for your faction, or buy them off other players on guild stores. Put health enchants on the head/chest/leg pieces and stamina on the rest of them - or if you already have a good amount of hp just use all stamina enchants

DRXHarbinger · February 2016

Healthy Agility is the best way to go. You'll lose what 2.5k stam ( lol its like 2 attacks at best ) but still retain the set bonus. Plus they are 100k cheaper each. Will help towards the health target.

Caza99 · February 2016

izJordy wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

Stamina nightblade - in fact stamina in general - has insane damage output in the game at the moment, so 3k weapon dmg definitely isn't required. Having said that tho, getting 3k really isn't all that difficult and is the number you want to aim for.
A good gear setup might be 5 hundings, 3 ashen grip, 3 agility or endurance. The game currently rewards burst damage over sustain, which is why most people will suggest stacking so much weapon damage. Personally I prefer a balance of burst and sustain. I usually aim for around 2-2.5k recovery, 30k max stam and 3-3.5k weapon damage.
I've been a magicka nb for sometime now, so if I am mistaken I'm sure people will correct me :P

for the sets does it matter what parts? the hundings rage chest and .. and .. and the ashen belt or.. does it matter?

Does not matter which pieces you make for each set. However the trait you choose do matter. A safe option is to have infused on head, chest and legs and divines on rest. Weapons are usually sharpened.

izJordy · February 2016

Caza99 wrote: »

izJordy wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

Stamina nightblade - in fact stamina in general - has insane damage output in the game at the moment, so 3k weapon dmg definitely isn't required. Having said that tho, getting 3k really isn't all that difficult and is the number you want to aim for.
A good gear setup might be 5 hundings, 3 ashen grip, 3 agility or endurance. The game currently rewards burst damage over sustain, which is why most people will suggest stacking so much weapon damage. Personally I prefer a balance of burst and sustain. I usually aim for around 2-2.5k recovery, 30k max stam and 3-3.5k weapon damage.
I've been a magicka nb for sometime now, so if I am mistaken I'm sure people will correct me :P

for the sets does it matter what parts? the hundings rage chest and .. and .. and the ashen belt or.. does it matter?

Does not matter which pieces you make for each set. However the trait you choose do matter. A safe option is to have infused on head, chest and legs and divines on rest. Weapons are usually sharpened.

so what exactly should i tell the person that will be crafting the things for me? cause they useally ask what i want ofc, i just tell them medium hundings rage set?

Caza99 · February 2016

izJordy wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

izJordy wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

Stamina nightblade - in fact stamina in general - has insane damage output in the game at the moment, so 3k weapon dmg definitely isn't required. Having said that tho, getting 3k really isn't all that difficult and is the number you want to aim for.
A good gear setup might be 5 hundings, 3 ashen grip, 3 agility or endurance. The game currently rewards burst damage over sustain, which is why most people will suggest stacking so much weapon damage. Personally I prefer a balance of burst and sustain. I usually aim for around 2-2.5k recovery, 30k max stam and 3-3.5k weapon damage.
I've been a magicka nb for sometime now, so if I am mistaken I'm sure people will correct me :P

for the sets does it matter what parts? the hundings rage chest and .. and .. and the ashen belt or.. does it matter?

Does not matter which pieces you make for each set. However the trait you choose do matter. A safe option is to have infused on head, chest and legs and divines on rest. Weapons are usually sharpened.

so what exactly should i tell the person that will be crafting the things for me? cause they useally ask what i want ofc, i just tell them medium hundings rage set?

Tell them which pieces you want made in hundings rage and the traits. And yes, you want a medium set.
example:
Hundings Rage medium chest, infused, redguard style