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Will Templar be good for anything aside from healing?
Kevmeister
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I'm beginning to think that playing as a Stam Templar is inferior to anything, even by the means of PvE, I won't even start with PvP.
I started off a character about a year ago (probably longer), as a bow templar. I know, it's a weird combination, but I chose Templar as the go-to class because of its healing capabilities, making it possible to solo PvE content easier. When I'm almost dying, I just had to pop BoL and I'm back on my feet. This worked until I started Vet contents. Then pretty much, I had to sacrifice a lot just to boost my DPS because going Stamina means my heals would be lackluster. This is all for balance, I completely understand, but yet I felt the class' own DPS is far from doing good damage, so I seek advice from other players.
In order to maximise my DPS, I had to pick up another weapon of choice, either 2H or DW for the 20% damage buff. While my intentions of going bow was to stay out of range, it's just ridiculous that I have to rely on another weapon skill's buff to make me somewhat useful in terms of delivering DPS, even in a PvE situation. What's worse, even relying on these weapon skills still make me inferior to most classes in terms of effective DPS.
I like playing as ranged, usually physical/ranger-type class, and while NB is the go-to class for that, I wanted to play Temp for its self-sustainable skills, which worked out almost a year ago. But now, Templar is a mess. I have a non-vet Magicka Templar that serves as a full-on healer, and it's fun, but I want a Templar that could also deal significant amount of damage in ranged Stamina build.
I've read tons, and tons of topics here saying how this class is neglected. I'm terribly disappointed with Zenimax letting this class rot away, and pigeonholed this to a Magicka-only or 2handed (which I dislike its clunky playstyle) class to be in anyway significant to almost anything be it PvE, Trials, PvP, etc.
I'm not sure if I'd want to grind all the way back to where my Templar's at (he's doing Cadwell's Gold, and I tend to complete an entire map's worth of quests, exploration, etc. before moving on to another).
So please, I beg you Zenimax, do something with Templars.
Edited by Kevmeister on February 3, 2016 11:15AM I started off a character about a year ago (probably longer), as a bow templar. I know, it's a weird combination, but I chose Templar as the go-to class because of its healing capabilities, making it possible to solo PvE content easier. When I'm almost dying, I just had to pop BoL and I'm back on my feet. This worked until I started Vet contents. Then pretty much, I had to sacrifice a lot just to boost my DPS because going Stamina means my heals would be lackluster. This is all for balance, I completely understand, but yet I felt the class' own DPS is far from doing good damage, so I seek advice from other players.
In order to maximise my DPS, I had to pick up another weapon of choice, either 2H or DW for the 20% damage buff. While my intentions of going bow was to stay out of range, it's just ridiculous that I have to rely on another weapon skill's buff to make me somewhat useful in terms of delivering DPS, even in a PvE situation. What's worse, even relying on these weapon skills still make me inferior to most classes in terms of effective DPS.
I like playing as ranged, usually physical/ranger-type class, and while NB is the go-to class for that, I wanted to play Temp for its self-sustainable skills, which worked out almost a year ago. But now, Templar is a mess. I have a non-vet Magicka Templar that serves as a full-on healer, and it's fun, but I want a Templar that could also deal significant amount of damage in ranged Stamina build.
I've read tons, and tons of topics here saying how this class is neglected. I'm terribly disappointed with Zenimax letting this class rot away, and pigeonholed this to a Magicka-only or 2handed (which I dislike its clunky playstyle) class to be in anyway significant to almost anything be it PvE, Trials, PvP, etc.
I'm not sure if I'd want to grind all the way back to where my Templar's at (he's doing Cadwell's Gold, and I tend to complete an entire map's worth of quests, exploration, etc. before moving on to another).
So please, I beg you Zenimax, do something with Templars.
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✭✭✭✭Alright then if you want Templers to be good at something other then healing then we will make DKs better at something other then just tanking or Nightblades can be good at stealth and something else as well and sorcerors can do whatever they are good at and something more..
It goes like this see.
Templers = Good Healer
Dragonknight = Good Tank
Nightblade = Good Stealth or something
Sorceror = Good ??????? / They can do something but im not sure what it is.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on February 3, 2016 5:44AM0 -
D0ntevenL1ft✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Alright then if you want Templers to be good at something other then healing then we will make DKs better at something other then just tanking or Nightblades can be good at stealth and something else as well and sorcerors can do whatever they are good at and something more..
It goes like this see.
Templers = Good Healer
Dragonknight = Good Tank
Nightblade = Good Stealth or something
Sorceror = Good ??????? / They can do something but im not sure what it is.
Im not sure if you are completely serious... All of these classes cant be built into much more than what you have listed6 -
Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Templars are already great tanks and very good dps if made right(assuming we're talking PvE, they do seem to have some issues in PvP but they're far not as hopeless as some people think) ._.
Stam templar dps can pull 20k+ dps(fairly sure it is with 2h, but I'm also fairly sure that's also what other classes have to go with for highest single target dps, being a sorc isn't magically gonna buff bow damage), magicka I think I've seen pulling 30k+ a few times. There may be those doing more out there but I haven't run into them.
How is relying on a weapon to do damage ridiculous? Sorcerers, for example, have literally NO spammable class damage skills. No matter what setup we use, we're ALWAYS relying on a weapon(we're also always relying on a resto staff for heals when we need them). Templars can just spam jabs for pretty damn good damage, heal and even CC, either stamina or magicka version is good. Magicka templars also get great utility by being able to slot an OP heal no matter what weapon they're using. How are templars "pigeonholed" into anything?1 -
Troneon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭My High Elf Templar can reach over 3600 spell damage with over 41k magicka....if only templar got the OP sorc passive skills ....could get even higher..
Is awesome at anything pve and I still do pretty well in pvp with it as well...
Works great as dps or healer...can solo any content in the game pretty much even some group content...iv even seen some templar tanks better than most dk's...
Managed to kill some gankers a few times for 4k+ TV stones in IC...
I see templar not a healer but as a true hybrid jack of all trades class, it isn't best at anything but it's best at doing a little of everything. A swiss army knife of classes. It's pretty cool you can heal yourself, get back stamina instantly and recover magicka fast while dishing out good damage and heals...
Makes a great support/cc/buff/debuff class also.
Also the templar really shines in group pvp and group pve gameplay mechanics...but is also very strong solo reliability, you don't have to rely on anyone to get stuff done, may take longer but you can solo everything.
Edited by Troneon on February 3, 2016 8:25AMPC EU ADMaster Crafter - Anything you need!!High Elf Magicka Templar Healer/DPS/TankTrials / Dungeons / PVP / Everything0 -
emeraldbay✭✭✭✭✭...okay, back up. are you complaining that relying on weapon skills as a stamina build is wrong? because, I mean, if you wanted to use just class skills, you could go magicka.
what's more, a good friend of mine pulls REALLY great dps as a magicka templar, and I've seen some great stamina templars as well. I think you must be missing something.-T h e - A l d m e r i - I n i t i a t i v e-— O r d e r - o f - t h e - R a v y n —0 -
Fuzzybrick✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Alright then if you want Templers to be good at something other then healing then we will make DKs better at something other then just tanking or Nightblades can be good at stealth and something else as well and sorcerors can do whatever they are good at and something more..
It goes like this see.
Templers = Good Healer
Dragonknight = Good Tank
Nightblade = Good Stealth or something
Sorceror = Good ??????? / They can do something but im not sure what it is.
Guildie soloed half of the trial bosses on his Magicka Sorc when I was still a nubblet. So yeah Sorcs are awesome.
I'm a dps the healer doesn't have to heal on my Templar not even gold yet with almost 3k sp 35k magicka and 60% crit
With my magicka NB we don't even need a healer because the heals I put out.
A magicka DK will melt anything with all the DOTs they apply.
But my Stam templar is on hold atm. Stamina build all feel the same to me. Weapon abilities and fighters guild... wish there were other weapon options
Edited by Fuzzybrick on February 3, 2016 10:04AM"A TROLL, HUH? WELL, THERE'S ONLY ONE SOLUTION FOR THAT, DESTROY ALL THE BRIDGES IN THE WORLD!"-- Uncle Grandpa
VR 16 Stamina Templar
VR 16 Magicka Templar
VR 16 Magicka NB
VR 16 Stamina DK
VR 16 Magicka DK
VR 16 Stamina Sorc
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Kevmeister✭✭✭emeraldbay wrote: »...okay, back up. are you complaining that relying on weapon skills as a stamina build is wrong? because, I mean, if you wanted to use just class skills, you could go magicka.
what's more, a good friend of mine pulls REALLY great dps as a magicka templar, and I've seen some great stamina templars as well. I think you must be missing something.
Read the fourth paragraph (especially the last line).My High Elf Templar can reach over 3600 spell damage with over 41k magicka....if only templar got the OP sorc passive skills ....could get even higher..
Is awesome at anything pve and I still do pretty well in pvp with it as well...
Works great as dps or healer...can solo any content in the game pretty much even some group content...iv even seen some templar tanks better than most dk's...
Managed to kill some gankers a few times for 4k+ TV stones in IC...
I see templar not a healer but as a true hybrid jack of all trades class, it isn't best at anything but it's best at doing a little of everything. A swiss army knife of classes. It's pretty cool you can heal yourself, get back stamina instantly and recover magicka fast while dishing out good damage and heals...
Makes a great support/cc/buff/debuff class also.
Also the templar really shines in group pvp and group pve gameplay mechanics...but is also very strong solo reliability, you don't have to rely on anyone to get stuff done, may take longer but you can solo everything.
Read the fourth paragraph. Like I've said, they are doing fine as a Magicka DPS, but I would rather be a Stamina-based DPS, and a bow if possible.
Not asking for Templars to be overly buffed, but what good is a class like this if I'm saturated and aren't focused at anything even when geared towards it?0 -
Oldmanlawlor✭✭✭✭Throw that Templar in heavy armour.
Go for a Stan/health approach.
You won't die.0 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Kevmeister wrote: »In order to maximise my DPS, I had to pick up another weapon of choice, either 2H or DW for the 20% damage buff. While my intentions of going bow was to stay out of range, it's just ridiculous that I have to rely on another weapon skill's buff to make me somewhat useful in terms of delivering DPS, even in a PvE situation. What's worse, even relying on these weapon skills still make me inferior to most classes in terms of effective DPS.
Use potions.Kevmeister wrote: »I like playing as ranged, usually physical/ranger-type class, and while NB is the go-to class for that, I wanted to play Temp for its self-sustainable skills, which worked out almost a year ago. But now, Templar is a mess. I have a non-vet Magicka Templar that serves as a full-on healer, and it's fun, but I want a Templar that could also deal significant amount of damage in ranged Stamina build.
Ranged Stamina build and significant amunt of damage doesn't match. Doesn't matter which class you choose.
And for all those, saying templar-DPS is ok and so on...they cannot come close to DKs or Magicka-Sorc Burst. Maybe in some situational burst fights with Magicka-Detonation, but definitely not on long fights.
But this only matters for trials/speedruns, for dungeons it's more than enough...Edited by Destruent on February 3, 2016 11:47AMNoobplar1 -
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✭Kevmeister wrote: »emeraldbay wrote: »...okay, back up. are you complaining that relying on weapon skills as a stamina build is wrong? because, I mean, if you wanted to use just class skills, you could go magicka.
what's more, a good friend of mine pulls REALLY great dps as a magicka templar, and I've seen some great stamina templars as well. I think you must be missing something.
Read the fourth paragraph (especially the last line).My High Elf Templar can reach over 3600 spell damage with over 41k magicka....if only templar got the OP sorc passive skills ....could get even higher..
Is awesome at anything pve and I still do pretty well in pvp with it as well...
Works great as dps or healer...can solo any content in the game pretty much even some group content...iv even seen some templar tanks better than most dk's...
Managed to kill some gankers a few times for 4k+ TV stones in IC...
I see templar not a healer but as a true hybrid jack of all trades class, it isn't best at anything but it's best at doing a little of everything. A swiss army knife of classes. It's pretty cool you can heal yourself, get back stamina instantly and recover magicka fast while dishing out good damage and heals...
Makes a great support/cc/buff/debuff class also.
Also the templar really shines in group pvp and group pve gameplay mechanics...but is also very strong solo reliability, you don't have to rely on anyone to get stuff done, may take longer but you can solo everything.
Read the fourth paragraph. Like I've said, they are doing fine as a Magicka DPS, but I would rather be a Stamina-based DPS, and a bow if possible.
Not asking for Templars to be overly buffed, but what good is a class like this if I'm saturated and aren't focused at anything even when geared towards it?
First of all. Stam Nigthblade hasnt got any ranged skills (well except will of the assassin) so why should it be the "go-to class".
Second of all atm you can deal more damage as a stamina templa. Check out Alcasts Jabsmania Build (http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/jabsmania-templar-stamina-dd-build-for-update-1-6/). I use it and i do 20-22k DPS.
As a templar biting jabs is your main damage skill so why would you go ranged and deal alot less damage?Edited by Kr3do on February 3, 2016 12:07PM0 -
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✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Sorceror = Good ??????? / They can do something but im not sure what it is.
If there was still a LOL button...
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Kr3do✭✭✭✭✭
✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Alright then if you want Templers to be good at something other then healing then we will make DKs better at something other then just tanking or Nightblades can be good at stealth and something else as well and sorcerors can do whatever they are good at and something more..
It goes like this see.
Templers = Good Healer
Dragonknight = Good Tank
Nightblade = Good Stealth or something
Sorceror = Good ??????? / They can do something but im not sure what it is.
Templars is also good for tanking/DD
DKs can compete with Magicka Sorcs DPS
Nigthblades are very good tanks and DDs
Sorc is ok for tanking and the highest DPS ingame currently1 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Kevmeister wrote: »emeraldbay wrote: »...okay, back up. are you complaining that relying on weapon skills as a stamina build is wrong? because, I mean, if you wanted to use just class skills, you could go magicka.
what's more, a good friend of mine pulls REALLY great dps as a magicka templar, and I've seen some great stamina templars as well. I think you must be missing something.
Read the fourth paragraph (especially the last line).My High Elf Templar can reach over 3600 spell damage with over 41k magicka....if only templar got the OP sorc passive skills ....could get even higher..
Is awesome at anything pve and I still do pretty well in pvp with it as well...
Works great as dps or healer...can solo any content in the game pretty much even some group content...iv even seen some templar tanks better than most dk's...
Managed to kill some gankers a few times for 4k+ TV stones in IC...
I see templar not a healer but as a true hybrid jack of all trades class, it isn't best at anything but it's best at doing a little of everything. A swiss army knife of classes. It's pretty cool you can heal yourself, get back stamina instantly and recover magicka fast while dishing out good damage and heals...
Makes a great support/cc/buff/debuff class also.
Also the templar really shines in group pvp and group pve gameplay mechanics...but is also very strong solo reliability, you don't have to rely on anyone to get stuff done, may take longer but you can solo everything.
Read the fourth paragraph. Like I've said, they are doing fine as a Magicka DPS, but I would rather be a Stamina-based DPS, and a bow if possible.
Not asking for Templars to be overly buffed, but what good is a class like this if I'm saturated and aren't focused at anything even when geared towards it?
First of all. Stam Nigthblade hasnt got any ranged skills (well except will of the assassin) so why should it be the "go-to class".
Second of all atm you can deal more damage as a stamina templa. Check out Alcasts Jabsmania Build (http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/jabsmania-templar-stamina-dd-build-for-update-1-6/). I use it and i do 20-22k DPS.
As a templar biting jabs is your main damage skill so why would you go ranged and deal alot less damage?
This build is outdated and 20k...22k is low compared to DKs/Sorc....i think you could also be outdpsed by magicka-temp and stamsorc ;-)Noobplar0 -
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And for all those, saying templar-DPS is ok and so on...they cannot come close to DKs or Magicka-Sorc Burst. Maybe in some situational burst fights with Magicka-Detonation, but definitely not on long fights.
But this only matters for trials/speedruns, for dungeons it's more than enough...
Yes, they're doable and can push nice dps under perfect conditions on fight that allows close to perma-stack.
I'm no fan of templar dps in the group. Especially not as a healer. They're not benefiting from Elemental Drain, while they're still having resource issues so they require Siphon Spirit as well.
They're wonky due to dps being channelled or mele+channelled. They cant block cast. They have problems cancelling casts. On fights that requires a lot of movement and active abilities, they take way to much dmg because of this. If not, if they're playing it safe, they suffer from major disconnects instead and the dps goes crap.
This is why I dont dps on any of my templars in PvE. All that work just to be "good enough" isn't worth it. Not when I can dps on another class that's not only easier to play, but also gives me a greater result.3 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
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And for all those, saying templar-DPS is ok and so on...they cannot come close to DKs or Magicka-Sorc Burst. Maybe in some situational burst fights with Magicka-Detonation, but definitely not on long fights.
But this only matters for trials/speedruns, for dungeons it's more than enough...
Yes, they're doable and can push nice dps under perfect conditions on fight that allows close to perma-stack.
I'm no fan of templar dps in the group. Especially not as a healer. They're not benefiting from Elemental Drain, while they're still having resource issues so they require Siphon Spirit as well.
They're wonky due to dps being channelled or mele+channelled. They cant block cast. They have problems cancelling casts. On fights that requires a lot of movement and active abilities, they take way to much dmg because of this. If not, if they're playing it safe, they suffer from major disconnects instead and the dps goes crap.
This is why I dont dps on any of my templars in PvE. All that work just to be "good enough" isn't worth it. Not when I can dps on another class that's not only easier to play, but also gives me a greater result.
Could have been my words, thanks for this.
Noobplar1