Sorc Tank
Sorc Healer
Sorc DPS

Magdalina wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Sorc Tank
Sorc Healer
Sorc DPS

Sorcs have nothing to go with healing and are...I'm not sure of the word I'm looking for, I know sorcs can be great tanks but I wouldn't really say they have something that makes them absolutely better than other classes.

Honestly with current game setup ideal role for any class is dps. Fast and easy. Preferably magicka for utility if we're talking PvE. DK dps, NB dps, sorc dps, NB dps(all magicka), there, your perfect dungeon team, just have templar slot BoL on one of the bars in case something goes wrong and NB's OP offheals aren't enough.

You need to educate yourself.

Nightblade.

That's it.
Just Nightblade.

Magdalina wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Sorc Tank
Sorc Healer
Sorc DPS

Sorcs have nothing to go with healing and are...I'm not sure of the word I'm looking for, I know sorcs can be great tanks but I wouldn't really say they have something that makes them absolutely better than other classes.

Honestly with current game setup ideal role for any class is dps. Fast and easy. Preferably magicka for utility if we're talking PvE. DK dps, NB dps, sorc dps, NB dps(all magicka), there, your perfect dungeon team, just have templar slot BoL on one of the bars in case something goes wrong and NB's OP offheals aren't enough.

You need to educate yourself.

Sorcs have 8% healing increase on the other morph of our best class skill(mind you DKs have 30% healing increase on their GROUP shield, which they don't sacrifice anything for), a CC that works in a very narrow frontal cone, a Negate that barely negates anything any more and a spelldamage increase for slotting sorc skills(which you won't be slotting for healing much because sorcs have no heal spells).
Please tell me more about what all sorcerer healers bring to the table.

I actually have a healing spec that works quite well for me.
5 piece Eyes of Mara
5 piece Healer's Habit
Two Master Restoration Staves

Bar 1
Healing Springs
Mutagen
Healing Ward
Quick Siphon
Bound Aegis Or Magelight if you prefer
Replenishing Barrier

Bar 2
Hardened Ward
Harness Magicka
Dark Exhange
Streak
Bound Aegis Or Magelight if you prefer
Negate

Magdalina wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Sorc Tank
Sorc Healer
Sorc DPS

Sorcs have nothing to go with healing and are...I'm not sure of the word I'm looking for, I know sorcs can be great tanks but I wouldn't really say they have something that makes them absolutely better than other classes.

Honestly with current game setup ideal role for any class is dps. Fast and easy. Preferably magicka for utility if we're talking PvE. DK dps, NB dps, sorc dps, NB dps(all magicka), there, your perfect dungeon team, just have templar slot BoL on one of the bars in case something goes wrong and NB's OP offheals aren't enough.

You need to educate yourself.

Sorcs have 8% healing increase on the other morph of our best class skill(mind you DKs have 30% healing increase on their GROUP shield, which they don't sacrifice anything for), a CC that works in a very narrow frontal cone, a Negate that barely negates anything any more and a spelldamage increase for slotting sorc skills(which you won't be slotting for healing much because sorcs have no heal spells).
Please tell me more about what all sorcerer healers bring to the table.

Storm Atronach gives a 25% damage boost (that's 33% when stacked with level 1 Combat prayer) for 8 seconds, every dark magic skill gives up to 20 seconds of increased spell crit (which needs work, but it's substantial in an all mage party) , and some minor help with Restoring Twilight. There's also Suppresion Field, Power Surge, and Rune Cage (which gives spell crit). They have more going for them then people like to talk about, but they do need some help on the healing and defensive fronts.
Stacking all of their damage and spellpower buffs comes out pretty evenly against raw HPS healers. They are lacking in some helpful skills, but you can easily compensate with skills like Replenishing Barrier, Sturdy Horn, Overflowing Altar, and Energy Orb.

Magdalina wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Sorc Tank
Sorc Healer
Sorc DPS

Sorcs have nothing to go with healing and are...I'm not sure of the word I'm looking for, I know sorcs can be great tanks but I wouldn't really say they have something that makes them absolutely better than other classes.

Honestly with current game setup ideal role for any class is dps. Fast and easy. Preferably magicka for utility if we're talking PvE. DK dps, NB dps, sorc dps, NB dps(all magicka), there, your perfect dungeon team, just have templar slot BoL on one of the bars in case something goes wrong and NB's OP offheals aren't enough.

You need to educate yourself.

Sorcs have 8% healing increase on the other morph of our best class skill(mind you DKs have 30% healing increase on their GROUP shield, which they don't sacrifice anything for), a CC that works in a very narrow frontal cone, a Negate that barely negates anything any more and a spelldamage increase for slotting sorc skills(which you won't be slotting for healing much because sorcs have no heal spells).
Please tell me more about what all sorcerer healers bring to the table.

I actually have a healing spec that works quite well for me.
5 piece Eyes of Mara
5 piece Healer's Habit
Two Master Restoration Staves

Bar 1
Healing Springs
Mutagen
Healing Ward
Quick Siphon
Bound Aegis Or Magelight if you prefer
Replenishing Barrier

Bar 2
Hardened Ward
Harness Magicka
Dark Exhange
Streak
Bound Aegis Or Magelight if you prefer
Negate

It can work well but sad thing is literally any other class can do better than a sorc(assuming about same level of skill/gear/CP). A DK would add group shield with 30% healing buff to the equation, possibly also great CC. A templar...well you know. Everything you have plus burst heals, better way to restore stamina, etc. An NB, I don't know exact skill names but I know an NB dps friend of mine pulls like 30k+ hps in trash packs while actually dpsing. Not burst heals but very, very nice class HoTs AND damage all at once.

By the way when I healed(haven't for a while, I just feel sad and unloved as a sorc healer now) I grabbed off destro and put dps skill on that bar so I could at least add some relatively nice dps to the mix. The downside of that is a sorc is pigeonholed into resto staff for heals and destro for dps due to having no class healing spells and no class spammable damage spells so while I dps I have 0 healing spells on bar and I have to wep swap if a heal is needed, which may or may not work reliably.

I can't speak to the other classes, I only know that this build works for my Sorc when he heals. With the master restoration staff and healing springs you can pretty much take care of the party and just throw off mutagen for those not in the radius. I tend to follow the tank with healing springs focused around him. Healing ward I really just use for emergencies and I use quick siphon on bosses. Barrier is really nice if you have bastion maxed out. I can literally cast healing springs all day long without running out of magicka.

My second bar is pure defense. Sometimes you need to be mobile and protect yourself or regain resources and that's what that bar is for. Let's say you need to zoom across the area to either avoid damage or put yourself back near the fight, or res a straggler who wandered off too far. That's when I use streak along with a cast of dark exchange to negate the cost. It's really an effective build if you give it a chance. No I'm not a Templar or a DK or a NB but I work with my class strength's which are not necessarily those of the other classes.

Don't get discouraged, get creative.

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Sorc Tank
Sorc Healer
Sorc DPS

Sorcs have nothing to go with healing and are...I'm not sure of the word I'm looking for, I know sorcs can be great tanks but I wouldn't really say they have something that makes them absolutely better than other classes.

Honestly with current game setup ideal role for any class is dps. Fast and easy. Preferably magicka for utility if we're talking PvE. DK dps, NB dps, sorc dps, NB dps(all magicka), there, your perfect dungeon team, just have templar slot BoL on one of the bars in case something goes wrong and NB's OP offheals aren't enough.

You need to educate yourself.

Sorcs have 8% healing increase on the other morph of our best class skill(mind you DKs have 30% healing increase on their GROUP shield, which they don't sacrifice anything for), a CC that works in a very narrow frontal cone, a Negate that barely negates anything any more and a spelldamage increase for slotting sorc skills(which you won't be slotting for healing much because sorcs have no heal spells).
Please tell me more about what all sorcerer healers bring to the table.

I actually have a healing spec that works quite well for me.
5 piece Eyes of Mara
5 piece Healer's Habit
Two Master Restoration Staves

Bar 1
Healing Springs
Mutagen
Healing Ward
Quick Siphon
Bound Aegis Or Magelight if you prefer
Replenishing Barrier

Bar 2
Hardened Ward
Harness Magicka
Dark Exhange
Streak
Bound Aegis Or Magelight if you prefer
Negate

It can work well but sad thing is literally any other class can do better than a sorc(assuming about same level of skill/gear/CP). A DK would add group shield with 30% healing buff to the equation, possibly also great CC. A templar...well you know. Everything you have plus burst heals, better way to restore stamina, etc. An NB, I don't know exact skill names but I know an NB dps friend of mine pulls like 30k+ hps in trash packs while actually dpsing. Not burst heals but very, very nice class HoTs AND damage all at once.

By the way when I healed(haven't for a while, I just feel sad and unloved as a sorc healer now) I grabbed off destro and put dps skill on that bar so I could at least add some relatively nice dps to the mix. The downside of that is a sorc is pigeonholed into resto staff for heals and destro for dps due to having no class healing spells and no class spammable damage spells so while I dps I have 0 healing spells on bar and I have to wep swap if a heal is needed, which may or may not work reliably.

I can't speak to the other classes, I only know that this build works for my Sorc when he heals. With the master restoration staff and healing springs you can pretty much take care of the party and just throw off mutagen for those not in the radius. I tend to follow the tank with healing springs focused around him. Healing ward I really just use for emergencies and I use quick siphon on bosses. Barrier is really nice if you have bastion maxed out. I can literally cast healing springs all day long without running out of magicka.

My second bar is pure defense. Sometimes you need to be mobile and protect yourself or regain resources and that's what that bar is for. Let's say you need to zoom across the area to either avoid damage or put yourself back near the fight, or res a straggler who wandered off too far. That's when I use streak along with a cast of dark exchange to negate the cost. It's really an effective build if you give it a chance. No I'm not a Templar or a DK or a NB but I work with my class strength's which are not necessarily those of the other classes.

Don't get discouraged, get creative.

I get what you're saying, I used to main heal on my sorc as well. I gave up though because well...I can do well, even great, definitely well enough for most game's content but it just sucks to know I'd do better with literally ANY other class.
I'd also say your setup, while pretty nice, is overkill(or well...overheal? ) but that depends on groups you're running with, if/when everyone knows the instance and how to avoid dying in the stupid healers usually do dps, some buffs and ocasional "oh ****" heal. Mind you I do wish there was actually content worth of having a pure healer XD

On a DK I could shield people so much they wouldn't even need heals. On an NB I could dps and I'd heal even if I didn't want to. On a templar I could have an OP heal ready no matter what weapon I have on.
Yes, my sorc is jealous.

4x dps. ok templar might be healer....

I am confused why are people saying magicka DK are the highest DPS, DK are only class without an execute unless they go stamina 2H.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

I am confused why are people saying magicka DK are the highest DPS, DK are only class without an execute unless they go stamina 2H.

For end game pve content magic dk does the most damage.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Example.

DK- Redguard Stamina DPS
NB-Nord Magicka Tank
Templar-Breton Magicka DPS
Sorc- High ElfMagicka DPS

a lot of this game depends on what you want to do or what you've already done. Things vary whether you're doing pvp/pve, play in a group or solo and also there are some cases where there isn't a definite answer and you can just work with what you already have. And some things just aren't great, like argonians. But here are some suggestions.

Templars make good magic dps/healer decent magicka tank and Stam dps
Dragon knights make good magic and Stam dps and tanks.
Nightblades are good Stam/magic dps and magic tanks and decent healers
Sorcs make good magic dps

Red guard is a good choice for all Stam builds. Altmer is best for all magic except dk dps as dark elf does a little more damage. Imperials make good tanks and Stam dps. Khajiit are good for high crit Stam builds like nb or Stam sorc or dk. There's a lot you can do

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Dragon Knight: Tanks, sorta ok DPS (don't even say stamknight cause that is (for the last time and hopefully this get through) caused by the weapon and medium armor and enchantments and not the class it self.)

Templars: Healers (barely now)

Sorcs: DPS

Night Blades: Anything you can think of cause hey there the OP META.

Concerning PVE. The only things you've got correct here is Sorc as DPS, but as Magicka.

DKs make great DPS, whether Stamina and Magicka. Stamina DPS should use at least 5 Medium Armor, that's its core function. Thus citing Medium Armor as a cause for high Stamina DK DPS is a cop out. The Stamina DK build can also function fine without Maelstorm weapons. The bulk of it's DPS comes from Heavy Attack weaves with their class skill Igneous Weapons. Those weapons just add to their already solid DPS output. Then, let's not get it twisted, once the new trial drops DK will be the go to tank. They flat out have the best class kit for tanking.

Templars are the best Healers, because they have the only Stamina support skills. There is no barely about it. Even though other classes can heal, they cannot provide the same support a Templar healer can. Having a Stamina DPS for Steel Tornado will currently make for the fastest runs, as it obliterates trash packs and adds. Templar supports this where other classes cannot. Also in the hands of a skilled user, they can both tank and heal. Allowing for 3 DPS in 4 player content to just blunt force deeps everything.

Nightblades are not OP by in stretch in PVE. They're reasonably flexible, but that's not overpowered. They're middle of the road for DPS, in many respects "needing" Maelstrom Weapons (Bow for Stam, Inferno Staff for Magicka) to be that. They can be tanks, but that requires them using Caltrops + Siphoning Attacks. Caltrops does not stack and with a Stamina DPS using it, it will provide much more damage. They can be healers, but as mentioned above they cannot provide the Stamina support Templars can. Trying to feign that debatable issues with Nightblades carry over from PVP to PVE is absurd, which seems to be what you're doing calling them OP.

Sorcerer stamina tank. That's what I'm currently playing because I view it as probably the worst spec in the game. But I'm having fun

My take on it:

Sorcerer Altmer DPS
Sorcerer/ Templar Breton DPS or Tank ( spell resistance is king)
Dragonknight Imperial Tank
Dragonkight Dunmer Dps
Templar Nord Tank
Templar Argonian Healer
NB Woodelf DPS
NB Khajiit DPS ( best crits in the house! )

No love for the Orc

Robotmafia wrote: »

lol i knew this thread as just gonna be a collection of crap :P people clearly rather be funny than answere your question :P

my Dk tanks, my templar heals, and my nb dps'... very traditional i know.. even though there are many very good hybrid build i would still say dks are the best tanks and templars the best healers..

What makes you such an expert? Nothing I said was insincere in the slightest.