Changes Since ESO Went F2P?

Angus · February 2016

Vaerth wrote: »

One thing I can say about ESO that is not a positive is that combat is slow paced in feel, and the actual attacks do not have a feeling of impact lol.

I suppose this is subjective. However, it doesn't sound like you animation cancel - check out that video the other guy posted. Reactively casting abilities every .33 seconds while dodging, reading your opponents, watching your teammates positions and helping them... well it's usually too fast, it gets tricky after a few beers.

Without animation cancelling I couldn't play this game.

Vaerth wrote: »

Has anything changed with this? Do Vampires still look like Zombies and/or Sith in this game as well?

Yeah, pretty much. Feeding helps of course.

Vaerth wrote: »

Has ... combat stepped up at all?

It's a LOT different than it was a year ago with regards to balancing, builds, metas, plenty of new ideas to play with. No new weapons, a few new skills, animation cancelling is still the basis of combat... not much has changed in actual combat mechanics, but sounds like there's a bit in those for you to explore.

Grabmoore · February 2016

Vaerth wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

combat in Wow and Neverwinter is slower then in eso lol

You have not played Neverwinter if you say that, not even for a moment

Played for 2 years. You are wrong. Neverwinters combat is very good, dont get me wrong, but the only advantage that it got over ESOs combat system is smoother movement imo. You are able to jump more precisely in Neverwinter.
On the other hand ESO has weaving and that takes much more skill than standing in Astral Shield with transzendent everything and buggy Negation enchantment. Neverwinter is dead, too, but that's another story...

@Vampires: If you want to gimp yourself into oblivion and look ill, go vampire.

If you get bored at V8 already, this game probably isn't the right for you. I assume it's too hard for you, because you aren't used to a challenge coming from those other games.

Gidorick · February 2016

Latter wrote: »

It's not F2P, it didn't go F2P, and it never will go F2P.

There is a major difference between B2P and F2P.

I would be surprised if ESO NEVER goes F2P... I think it's inevitable.

wolfydog · February 2016

MAde me lol complaining about combat not having any weight to it or whatever, yet goes back to WoW.

EQBallzz · February 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

Latter wrote: »

It's not F2P, it didn't go F2P, and it never will go F2P.

There is a major difference between B2P and F2P.

I would be surprised if ESO NEVER goes F2P... I think it's inevitable.

So true. Funny how people don't seem to make the connection. It started as a sub that would *never* go B2P or F2P and would rather just shut down because they couldn't provide the type of game they wanted without a sub system. Then it goes B2P and people think it can *never* go F2P because...why again? I think this game is on track to F2P. How fast is debatable but it's already sliding down the cash shop slippery slope.

It's only a matter of time..when those boxes stop selling consistently the next obvious step is F2P. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded (like I was prior to B2P). As GWB once said...won't get fooled again!

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · February 2016

I came to this post just to read the comments from people saying the game was not f2p haha. I have a bachelor in games design with a major in lead design and a focus on level design and story writing... b2p and f2p is pretty much the same thing and to loyal customers who already had the game, its the same and a slap in the face. (when sold to them in the faith it will always be sub or nothing...)

Makkir · February 2016

Sorry I just have to ask....you left this game because you were bored (understandable) but your solution was to go back to WoW????????

That's like saying I quit using cocaine to improve my health and went back to heroin.

There is nothing out there more dull, repetitive, and cookie cutter than WoW. And this comment is coming from someone (me) who played for 10 years and pretty much completed all achievements, end game raids and pvp.

That game is like play dough in a world full of action figures.

Didgerion · February 2016

Vaerth wrote: »

I left this game right around the time Tamriel Unlimited came out. I did enjoy the game but got real bored by the time I hit VR8 and finally hit Cadwel Gold so I just went back to WoW and then Neverwinter for a while. One thing I can say about ESO that is not a positive is that combat is slow paced in feel, and the actual attacks do not have a feeling of impact lol. Has anything changed with this? Do Vampires still look like Zombies and/or Sith in this game as well? Has anything with Vampire appearances changed or the combat stepped up at all? I got an email for Thieves Guild, so I am hoping that 3 DLC packs later we have some better paced combat / animations and to a lesser extent some better Vampire appearances.

Just download the game and give it a try - if you like the changes then get Orsinium DLC - it is the best PVE DLC to date.

**Edited
Or you can get 1 month sub to try both DLCs and a bit of the next DLC if lucky.

Sallington · February 2016

Latter wrote: »

It's not F2P, it didn't go F2P, and it never will go F2P.

There is a major difference between B2P and F2P.

Careful. That's what they said about B2P.

Gidorick · February 2016

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

I came to this post just to read the comments from people saying the game was not f2p haha. I have a bachelor in games design with a major in lead design and a focus on level design and story writing... b2p and f2p is pretty much the same thing and to loyal customers who already had the game, its the same and a slap in the face. (when sold to them in the faith it will always be sub or nothing...)

You really don't need any sort of education or qualifications to be able to realize that the revenue models for B2P and F2P are just about the exact same... the biggest difference is B2P developers get a wad of cash up front from their customers where F2P does not. Once those box customers stop buying, you can bet your bottom dollar that ESO will go F2P. Why wouldn't they? What's their incentive to stay B2P if they aren't getting revenue from the box sales any longer?

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · February 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

I came to this post just to read the comments from people saying the game was not f2p haha. I have a bachelor in games design with a major in lead design and a focus on level design and story writing... b2p and f2p is pretty much the same thing and to loyal customers who already had the game, its the same and a slap in the face. (when sold to them in the faith it will always be sub or nothing...)

You really don't need any sort of education or qualifications to be able to realize that the revenue models for B2P and F2P are just about the exact same... the biggest difference is B2P developers get a wad of cash up front from their customers where F2P does not. Once those box customers stop buying, you can bet your bottom dollar that ESO will go F2P. Why wouldn't they? What's their incentive to stay B2P if they aren't getting revenue from the box sales any longer?

Thats a agree for you for logic. I only stated that I have the bachelor because when you say ESO being b2p is the same as F2P you get a lot of hate lol.

Dreyloch · February 2016

Molec wrote: »

It isn't free to play though, just like Skyrim and every other buy to play game out there.

The OP already owns the game. So yeah, its free for him.

Vaerth · February 2016

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

I came to this post just to read the comments from people saying the game was not f2p haha. I have a bachelor in games design with a major in lead design and a focus on level design and story writing... b2p and f2p is pretty much the same thing and to loyal customers who already had the game, its the same and a slap in the face. (when sold to them in the faith it will always be sub or nothing...)

You really don't need any sort of education or qualifications to be able to realize that the revenue models for B2P and F2P are just about the exact same... the biggest difference is B2P developers get a wad of cash up front from their customers where F2P does not. Once those box customers stop buying, you can bet your bottom dollar that ESO will go F2P. Why wouldn't they? What's their incentive to stay B2P if they aren't getting revenue from the box sales any longer?

Thats a agree for you for logic. I only stated that I have the bachelor because when you say ESO being b2p is the same as F2P you get a lot of hate lol.

Yes, it was a mistake on my part and I feel most people who read the posts will come to know that, those who do not have not read the posts. I will keep it unedited for the fun of seeing who reads the other posts and who reads just the title

EQBallzz · February 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

I came to this post just to read the comments from people saying the game was not f2p haha. I have a bachelor in games design with a major in lead design and a focus on level design and story writing... b2p and f2p is pretty much the same thing and to loyal customers who already had the game, its the same and a slap in the face. (when sold to them in the faith it will always be sub or nothing...)

You really don't need any sort of education or qualifications to be able to realize that the revenue models for B2P and F2P are just about the exact same... the biggest difference is B2P developers get a wad of cash up front from their customers where F2P does not. Once those box customers stop buying, you can bet your bottom dollar that ESO will go F2P. Why wouldn't they? What's their incentive to stay B2P if they aren't getting revenue from the box sales any longer?

Not only that but B2P means the mechanisms for F2P are already in place. The only thing left to do when box sales drop off further is to gate the game behind more pay walls and "convenience" items. In fact, I would be willing to bet there is already a solid plan of what will be going up for sale once this transition happens. The only thing they don't know is the time table (or maybe they already know that as well).

Vaerth · February 2016

Makkir wrote: »

Sorry I just have to ask....you left this game because you were bored (understandable) but your solution was to go back to WoW????????

That's like saying I quit using cocaine to improve my health and went back to heroin.

There is nothing out there more dull, repetitive, and cookie cutter than WoW. And this comment is coming from someone (me) who played for 10 years and pretty much completed all achievements, end game raids and pvp.

That game is like play dough in a world full of action figures.

I played ESO from the 5 day early access of pre order until a few weeks into Tamriel Unlimted. I suppose the grind for Vet ranks and cadwel quests really got me bored. So yes, after not playing WoW for a few years I went back to experience the content I had yet to see (MoP through WoD). I decided to let some DLC be published and then look for when I will find a good time for me to return, with enough content to keep me occupied.

I loved the concept of Vampires being playable, but when they came of it was not what I expected. I do not want OP vampires, I just want to "feel" of one, which this game did not allow me to grasp the feeling of a vampire, more like a zombie. I feel a NightBlade is more a vampire than an actual vampire in this game, lol.

Vaerth · February 2016

wolfydog wrote: »

MAde me lol complaining about combat not having any weight to it or whatever, yet goes back to WoW.

Complaining? I guess everyone has their own opinions. When I swing my weapon in ESO if feels very slow and sluggish. That is my opinion, yours certainly will differ. Glad you got an "lol" out of it though.

Vaerth · February 2016

Grabmoore wrote: »

Vaerth wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

combat in Wow and Neverwinter is slower then in eso lol

You have not played Neverwinter if you say that, not even for a moment

Played for 2 years. You are wrong. Neverwinters combat is very good, dont get me wrong, but the only advantage that it got over ESOs combat system is smoother movement imo. You are able to jump more precisely in Neverwinter.
On the other hand ESO has weaving and that takes much more skill than standing in Astral Shield with transzendent everything and buggy Negation enchantment. Neverwinter is dead, too, but that's another story...

@Vampires: If you want to gimp yourself into oblivion and look ill, go vampire.

If you get bored at V8 already, this game probably isn't the right for you. I assume it's too hard for you, because you aren't used to a challenge coming from those other games.

Hard? Hmmm. No, try reading it all over again then come back. I found Cadwels to be boring. Having a few characters on different factions certainly made it unrewarding to continue questing in areas I had completed already. The VR system was boring, and the content was lacking.

Anything else?