Serious question time. Does your Magicka DK NOT have Vampirism?

Alucardo · February 2016

I ask this because Vampire appears to synergise well with the Magicka DK, giving them access to abilities that helps keep them on their feet. Honestly? I haven't met one mag dk in game (not on the forums) that was not a Vampire. Why? Mist gives them extra mitigation while they gather composure seems they aren't as tanky as they once were, and bats for the huge heal because inhale just isn't as good as it should be.
ZOS should take a look at these skills as a tip when buffing DKs, so people don't feel like they have to choose Vampirism just to stay alive as a Magicka DK.

I'm certain there are some of you out there who aren't Vampires, and I'd like to hear your story. How do you survive? Primarily focused at small scale and solo PVPers.

Hope499 · February 2016

Most DK's are tanks.

Tank with Vamperism.....is...well...not wanted 9/10 times.

Most dungeons you would be a terrible tank...

DPS DK? Hell yea no reason not to.

Alucardo · February 2016

Hope499 wrote: »

Most DK's are tanks.

Tank with Vamperism.....is...well...not wanted 9/10 times.

Most dungeons you would be a terrible tank...

DPS DK? Hell yea no reason not to.

Que?

Zeg0ta · February 2016

I play a non vamp magicka dk. My main skills to keep me alive is keeping my opponents cc with talons fossilize using flappy wings on those casters and archers and using annulment healing ward. Yea there is benefits to running vamp but I never liked being a vamp just not my thing

Hope499 · February 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Most DK's are tanks.

Tank with Vamperism.....is...well...not wanted 9/10 times.

Most dungeons you would be a terrible tank...

DPS DK? Hell yea no reason not to.

Que?

Why would you want a tank that dies in fire 70% of the time?

No City of Ash, No white gold, no darkshade....

-Tanks are usually DK's

-Vampies take extra fire DMG

-Tank needs to stay alive

= UNLESS you are a DPS DK, it is a bad idea.

Alucardo · February 2016

Zeg0ta wrote: »

I play a non vamp magicka dk. My main skills to keep me alive is keeping my opponents cc with talons fossilize using flappy wings on those casters and archers and using annulment healing ward. Yea there is benefits to running vamp but I never liked being a vamp just not my thing

Yeah I actually don't like it either, but I have to admit it does work well, and some of the best DKs I've seen use it.
Fossilize and wings are good, but if you're getting hit from all angles they aren't going to keep you alive. The vamp builds I've seen don't even require the use of a resto staff and they're highly successful. I guess I just want Mag DK to be like that naturally without the reliance of infecting yourself.

Alucardo · February 2016

Hope499 wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Most DK's are tanks.

Tank with Vamperism.....is...well...not wanted 9/10 times.

Most dungeons you would be a terrible tank...

DPS DK? Hell yea no reason not to.

Que?

Why would you want a tank that dies in fire 70% of the time?

No City of Ash, No white gold, no darkshade....

-Tanks are usually DK's

-Vampies take extra fire DMG

-Tank needs to stay alive

= UNLESS you are a DPS DK, it is a bad idea.

Not really after a tank, and I said it was PVP only, so the dungeons you mentioned aren't really applicable. Besides, now the fire weakness has been lowered to 25% I can easily completely negate that.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO · February 2016

Hope499 wrote: »

Most DK's are tanks.

Tank with Vamperism.....is...well...not wanted 9/10 times.

Most dungeons you would be a terrible tank...

DPS DK? Hell yea no reason not to.

I tanked vMSA and CoA while being vamp back in the day, np.

RoyJade · February 2016

But Dawnbreaker and camouflaged hunter are now on the table. At the beginning, when vamp Dk were so powerful, these skill were garbage. Now, a magicka tank can't permablock anymore, he can't superheal himself with dragonblood (who has such a good synergy with the undead passive before), he can't use batswarm everytime he want, batswarm now have an aoe cap…
Most of the synergy is dead now, and vampire took a hard weakness with fighter's guild boost.

So, my magDK isn't a vampire.

Lightninvash · February 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Most DK's are tanks.

Tank with Vamperism.....is...well...not wanted 9/10 times.

Most dungeons you would be a terrible tank...

DPS DK? Hell yea no reason not to.

Que?

Why would you want a tank that dies in fire 70% of the time?

No City of Ash, No white gold, no darkshade....

-Tanks are usually DK's

-Vampies take extra fire DMG

-Tank needs to stay alive

= UNLESS you are a DPS DK, it is a bad idea.

Not really after a tank, and I said it was PVP only, so the dungeons you mentioned aren't really applicable. Besides, now the fire weakness has been lowered to 25% I can easily completely negate that.

people don't read a post they just are like vampire stam tank well that's just nutty where as you are all pvp idc about dungeons how do you manage.. lol I sewar ppl need to l2r(learn 2 read)

Anhedonie · February 2016

Not gonna happen on my DK.

Kryank · February 2016

I am on the fence atm, my Magicka DK is only VR2 and having loads of fun doing solo pvp. At this low VR level I think vamp could be more a hindrance than a help, came hunter one shots, dawnbreaker and silver shards can ruin your day (I know my NB loves blowing vamps up).

I may go vamp but no sure yet.

Lord-Otto · February 2016

I cannot see a magicka DPS DK succeed without vampirism.

Our resource management is so crappy, we need the ->8%<- bonus from Supernatural Recovery. Battle Roar is our only resource tool, and it is balanced for usage of stage 4 bats. Shooting Star can sometimes be an adequate substitute in PvE, but you lose the much needed healing from Devouring Swarm.
Mist Form used to solve the mobility problem in 1.6, but since Imp City, oh god, I don't have to spell this out, right?
Undeath is broken, Darkstalker meh on DKs unless bow ganker. Dawnbreaker, Camo Hunter and FG passive tear you to shreds, but I see no alternative.

ShadowDisciple · February 2016

Hope499 wrote: »

Most DK's are tanks.

Tank with Vamperism.....is...well...not wanted 9/10 times.

Most dungeons you would be a terrible tank...

DPS DK? Hell yea no reason not to.

lol noone cares about pve lol

Dark_Aether · February 2016

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Most DK's are tanks.

Tank with Vamperism.....is...well...not wanted 9/10 times.

Most dungeons you would be a terrible tank...

DPS DK? Hell yea no reason not to.

I tanked vMSA and CoA while being vamp back in the day, np.

vet Maelstrom Star Arena eh? I'd like to see that combo, 50 mobs that enrage and hit you for 250k each XD

ontheleftcoast · February 2016

My only vampire out of 6 toons I still play is my Magicka DK. He's a healer so the fire damage thing really isn't a problem since he tends to stay back. As for the Camo hunter attacks I run the revealing morph of Magelight to screw up their extra damage. Yeah, he dies from time to time but he's one helluva healer with Igneous and nearly infinite Healing Spring thanks to his crazy vampire magicka regen.

Cuyler · February 2016

Not a vamp :P

Shadesofkin · February 2016

I would never waste skill points on Vampirism.

Merkabeh · February 2016

I don't have any vamp or WW characters; not interested in it, no matter the synergies/benefits.

But I run fighter's guild skills and full passives; so I guess that illustrates my stance pretty clearly....lol

SemiD4rkness · February 2016

Pvp vampire DK win, Pve vampire DK who cares haha

Daraugh · February 2016

Not a vampire, never vampire. Serephine became a werewolf the old fashioned way. Met these two nice wolves out in Bankorai while traveling. They asked how I liked my steak, I said rare and bloody, walk it through a warm room. Next day I woke up with a fuzzy head... No really! Very, very fuzzy.

I mostly have been relying on pots and ultimates for regen since I went back to magicka though. Not having the range that my Templar has is what makes it harder for me. It always feels like I need to be so much closer to get anything done, it's much trickier on the DK, but Temp is for healing which I'm getting fairly comfortable with now. I'm on the learning to play curve with the DK still. I'm just not willing to be a vampire with the extra fire damage and yuck, being a bloodsucker ew.

Decayed_Inside · February 2016

Mine is not infected. He is PVE only though

Wing · February 2016

I recently built my pure DK tank into a DK vampire magicka dps tank and its working quite well. I lost a lot of passive healing so I have to be much more active in my healing but that's okay, I think it synergizes quite well.

the combination of a light attack, heroic slash, and vampires drain generate a lot of ultimate = more devouring swarm = more resources, damage, health, healing ,etc. and because a lot of DK damage is dot based or has a delay fitting in vampires drain for damage, healing, and ult gen works just fine.

elusive mist gives DK mobility that it otherwise lacks.

devouring swarm is point blank aoe just like the rest of the DK skills so no change in gameplay is required.

most of the passives are welcome on both a DK (stat regen) and a tank (take less damage as you get low)

the only big downsides you have to overcome are:
-fire damage, not as bad as it used to be, countered with CP and healing and you have a lot of active healing even before you take into account a healer.

-lack of hp regen, you have to switch to more active healing and even the loss of the base ~1k hp regen can be noticeable, I had around ~2.5k before I switched and it took a bit of time to get used to.

dday3six · February 2016

For PVP sure. It's actually a strong 1vX build. For PVE it's a liability.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · February 2016

Not for a PvE DPS. There is no upside. None of the vamp skills will add to my DPS Rotation and its not worth losing a slot for a little extra regen.

Moonshadow66 · February 2016

My only character that has ever been a vampire happened to be a magicka DK. Not long after maxing that skill line, I got it cured. Reason: it's a DK. She's better off without vampirism, and she's now also a stamina DK, even better

Autolycus · February 2016

My DK is magicka, and is not a vampire.

Ampnode · February 2016

I'd make my mag DK vamp if I wasn't insta-gibbed by NBs and their bow/camo hunter/silver shards combo. Tried it, but I tend to die instantly if I'm caught with somebody using dawnbreaker or camo.

Malthorne · February 2016

Magicka DK .. Not a Vampire

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

Hope499 wrote: »

Most DK's are tanks.

Tank with Vamperism.....is...well...not wanted 9/10 times.

Most dungeons you would be a terrible tank...

DPS DK? Hell yea no reason not to.

Lets be clear, @Alucardo is talking about PVP predominately here. I understand his concerns.

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Most DK's are tanks.

Tank with Vamperism.....is...well...not wanted 9/10 times.

Most dungeons you would be a terrible tank...

DPS DK? Hell yea no reason not to.

I tanked vMSA and CoA while being vamp back in the day, np.

I did COA as well on my DK Vampire some time past. I think the weakness to fire is something to be aware of but isn't necessarily a game changer. It is definitely possible to handle most fire problems as a vampire in the current state of the game.