"Probably The Hardest Content We Have Ever Made"

Clarkieson · January 2016

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Clarkieson wrote: »

So it will be only for the 0.1 % of people to conplete. Check the psn achievements for completions of vmsa, its only 0.1%.

Another complete waste of money then. This is starting to get old.

EXCEPT... There is both a normal mode and vet mode. And unlike MSA, where Maelstrom Weapons (which is what most really only care about) only drops from vet mode, the final boss of the normal mode will likely drop anything the vet mode would.

At the end of the day, there must be difficult content in the game. I cannot beat vMSA (tho I haven't tried, and likely wont until there is a save function), and likely will not be able to beat the trial right away. But it gives me something to strive towards and work at.

So what would be the point of vet mode if you can get the drops from normal?

I like the fact content is hard, but things that "work" on PC dont always work on console, ICP being an example.

I just dont have time in my life to master flaky mechanics.

Refuse2GrowUp · January 2016

Clarkieson wrote: »

So what would be the point of vet mode if you can get the drops from normal?

I like the fact content is hard, but things that "work" on PC dont always work on console, ICP being an example.

I just dont have time in my life to master flaky mechanics.

Simple Answer...The Challenge

You are not representative of the greater player base, and just because you don't have time, or you only care about gear drops, doesn't mean there aren't those of us who do it stricktly for the challenge.

And btw, vICP can be beat on console no problem.

Clarkieson · January 2016

You can beat vet icp, just ignore the mechanics and nuke the flesh sculptor. Easy.

I dont care for your insults either. The majority of the players will never do the vet areans or icp. I feel for them.

RoyJade · January 2016

Having the same loot in normal and vet mode is not a problem, as long as vet mode still have at least one advantage : greater loot chance, v16 max instead of v15 max, divine/infused instead of other trait for normal version…
Yes, beating a very hard challenge should reward players. Not everybody should be able to get all the stuff without any challenge.

Refuse2GrowUp · January 2016

RoyJade wrote: »

Having the same loot in normal and vet mode is not a problem, as long as vet mode still have at least one advantage : greater loot chance, v16 max instead of v15 max, divine/infused instead of other trait for normal version…
Yes, beating a very hard challenge should reward players. Not everybody should be able to get all the stuff without any challenge.

From what I understand, and I certainly may be wrong, but I think all bosses in the vet mode can drop the new gear where as only the final boss in the normal mode can drop it.

Pallmor · January 2016

No matter how hard you make it, I guarantee there will probably be someone on here, on day two of release, bragging that he soloed it naked.

RoyJade · January 2016

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

From what I understand, and I certainly may be wrong, but I think all bosses in the vet mode can drop the new gear where as only the final boss in the normal mode can drop it.

Seem good to me, if that means vet mode allow a far greater loot chance.

LadyNalcarya · January 2016

Clarkieson wrote: »

You can beat vet icp, just ignore the mechanics and nuke the flesh sculptor. Easy.

I dont care for your insults either. The majority of the players will never do the vet areans or icp. I feel for them.

Only 1% (or even less) in this game is designed to be somewhat challenging. Can the minority of players have at least that? Casuals will be able to do normal version so they can still enjoy the story.
Speaking of set farming, I dont even understand why players who state that they dont care about minmaxing and stats cant live without best in slot weapons and vr16 versions of sets instead of vr15. Every dungeon in the game can be finished with regular crafted gear, super optimized setups are only needed for achieving the best possible dps, which casuals on these forums seem to despise.

Mumyo · January 2016

Destruent wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

I hope this one won't be nerfed. It has a normal mode and a level scaling, so people who don't like the high difficulty will be able to take it down without any nerf needed.
But yes, they won't get the top-level gear, but top-level gear = top-lever player.

If it's clearly PvE sets that are not viable in PvP, then fine. But "top gear" shouldn't be locked behind hardcore PvE. If it's just unique, no problem, If it's clearly BiS, no.

You can get the set from normal modes endboss and from ALL weekly rewards. So you can get them even without doing the vetmode.

Even if not, if the content is hard enough, not so many players will have the sets. if it's easy a lot of will have (including you?). Don't see a problem with this.
There are also some new PvP-Sets from the pvp-rewards, so PvEer will have to play pvp if they want to get them. So pls don't cry if pvpers have to do pve...

u allways were able to simply buy the pvp sets. The pve sets were mostly bound on pickup.

Maddux · January 2016

Pallmor wrote: »

No matter how hard you make it, I guarantee there will probably be someone on here, on day two of release, bragging that he soloed it naked.

No matter how easy you make the nonvet Mode, I guarantee there will probably be someone on here, on day two of release, crying that the Trial is to hard.

I was puging a Dungeon with my Twink while Questing 30 Minutes ago and had to deal with a Sorc that was using Pets and LL while spaming Bombarde on his Bow. The second DD was a executioner spaming DK in Heavy Armor. Do People like this really have to Right to clear any Content and get any Set just because they bought the Game and pay for ESO+?

I pug a lot and the great Majority of Pugs are average to good Players. But there are still People out there they, could you hit them on the Head with the Book of Knowledge to teach them how to play, would die on serious Brain Damage before they learned enough to not being a dead Weight on the Groups Leg.

LadyNalcarya · January 2016

Maddux wrote: »

I was puging a Dungeon with my Twink while Questing 30 Minutes ago and had to deal with a Sorc that was using Pets and LL while spaming Bombarde on his Bow. The second DD was a executioner spaming DK in Heavy Armor. Do People like this really have to Right to clear any Content and get any Set just because they bought the Game and pay for ESO+?

Exactly.
Besides, feeling entitled to beat everything without even trying just because you paid for the access is like complaining that you lost a game of chess even though you bought that chess set.

Refuse2GrowUp · January 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Maddux wrote: »

I was puging a Dungeon with my Twink while Questing 30 Minutes ago and had to deal with a Sorc that was using Pets and LL while spaming Bombarde on his Bow. The second DD was a executioner spaming DK in Heavy Armor. Do People like this really have to Right to clear any Content and get any Set just because they bought the Game and pay for ESO+?

Exactly.
Besides, feeling entitled to beat everything without even trying just because you paid for the access is like complaining that you lost a game of chess even though you bought that chess set.

But Disney.com lets me beat every game with little effort

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Maddux wrote: »

I was puging a Dungeon with my Twink while Questing 30 Minutes ago and had to deal with a Sorc that was using Pets and LL while spaming Bombarde on his Bow. The second DD was a executioner spaming DK in Heavy Armor. Do People like this really have to Right to clear any Content and get any Set just because they bought the Game and pay for ESO+?

Exactly.
Besides, feeling entitled to beat everything without even trying just because you paid for the access is like complaining that you lost a game of chess even though you bought that chess set.

Not quite the comparison imho.

Buying a chess board doesn't "entitle" you to win against Kasparov.
But winning against Kasparov will not give you an "extra pawn" for you to use against everyone else.

I'm not against some content being "top-1%" specific, but the concept of exclusive rewards giving top players yet another advantage is not something I approve of. I think those rewards should be more of the cosmetic type (but since the cosmetic stuff is for the crown store, there isn't much choice left).

I kinda know your argument : you'll say "but you casuals don't need the BiS stuff"... well, maybe not. Maybe yes. Maybe we need it to compensate or somewhat less efficient rotations ? Closing the gap between instead of spreading it ?
Not something I'll fight vehemently for or against, but just sayin'...

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Decayed_Inside · January 2016

Hardest content or buggiest? I'm not sure if ZOS can tell the difference.

Ethromelb14_ESO · January 2016

ZoS, make sure you'll don't listen to the weak players. Stick by your guns and leave the thieves guild trial content just as difficult as you'll intended to make it. The good, brave, determined players will adjust and rise to the challenge.

Pangnirtung · January 2016

Insert "ESO is all about elite players" comment here.

Who cares really? I will never be doing this hard content. There is a lot to keep a mediocre player like me happy.

And about "brave" players facing this.. LULZ

What is so "brave" about tackling extreme content in a game? It's not like it hurts or anything real.

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2016

Pangnirtung wrote: »

What is so "brave" about tackling extreme content in a game? It's not like it hurts or anything real.

It takes some "guts" and determination to tackle such a content with 11 other people knowing it will be hard, knowing you'll fail, knowing that your smallest mistake will have consequences for 11 other people, keeping the group dynamic positive in spite of repeated wipes... It also takes commitment, not people who will suddenly say "sorry, I'm fed up I'm going to bed now" leaving 11 other people hanging.
You might not call it "bravery" but I think it requires something. Beyond being a good player. But that's also the fun of it (not that I'm part of those groups, BUT any guild group has experienced this at its own level, it's amazing when it finally pays).

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LadyNalcarya · January 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Maddux wrote: »

I was puging a Dungeon with my Twink while Questing 30 Minutes ago and had to deal with a Sorc that was using Pets and LL while spaming Bombarde on his Bow. The second DD was a executioner spaming DK in Heavy Armor. Do People like this really have to Right to clear any Content and get any Set just because they bought the Game and pay for ESO+?

Exactly.
Besides, feeling entitled to beat everything without even trying just because you paid for the access is like complaining that you lost a game of chess even though you bought that chess set.

Not quite the comparison imho.

Buying a chess board doesn't "entitle" you to win against Kasparov.
But winning against Kasparov will not give you an "extra pawn" for you to use against everyone else.

I'm not against some content being "top-1%" specific, but the concept of exclusive rewards giving top players yet another advantage is not something I approve of. I think those rewards should be more of the cosmetic type (but since the cosmetic stuff is for the crown store, there isn't much choice left).

I kinda know your argument : you'll say "but you casuals don't need the BiS stuff"... well, maybe not. Maybe yes. Maybe we need it to compensate or somewhat less efficient rotations ? Closing the gap between instead of spreading it ?
Not something I'll fight vehemently for or against, but just sayin'...

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First of all, if you win against Kasparov, you can probably start with 50% of pawns and still have a great advantage over pretty much everyone. The comparison is closer than you think - its not only the gear than makes the dps difference. I saw some people who crafted godlen sets of whatever fotm is, and still only having around 12k dps. Experienced player, on the other hand, can pull 20k while wearing vr14 Martial Knowledge set. Its the rotation and knowing your characters... And teamwork of course (when the tank debuffs boss' armor and healer uses combat prayer and other stuff).
Its not like you can equip a Maelstorm staff and instantly get a 100% dps boost. All the "elites" started farming their Kenas and Spell power cures in vr14 gear, after all.

Though I do think that to be fair for everyone, normal mode of MA should have a chance for vr15 maelstorm weapons, like DSA.

LadyNalcarya · January 2016

Pangnirtung wrote: »

Insert "ESO is all about elite players" comment here.

Who cares really? I will never be doing this hard content. There is a lot to keep a mediocre player like me happy.

And about "brave" players facing this.. LULZ

What is so "brave" about tackling extreme content in a game? It's not like it hurts or anything real.

Firstly, its a game for everyone, not just for you and there's a part of playerbase that enjoys this kind of content. They're Zos' customers and even while theyre not the majority, they deserve some attention for developers. And 1-2 pieces of challenging content per dlc is quite fair imo. Every "hardcore" dungeon has a normal version so you wont actually miss the content.
And its not about being brave. Everyone has their right to have fun, dont you think?

strikeback1247 · January 2016

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

Hardest content or buggiest? I'm not sure if ZOS can tell the difference.

Well, we can all agree that the bugs (and the lag) make the content more difficult

J2JMC · February 2016

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Clarkieson wrote: »

So what would be the point of vet mode if you can get the drops from normal?

I like the fact content is hard, but things that "work" on PC dont always work on console, ICP being an example.

I just dont have time in my life to master flaky mechanics.

Simple Answer...The Challenge

You are not representative of the greater player base, and just because you don't have time, or you only care about gear drops, doesn't mean there aren't those of us who do it stricktly for the challenge.

And btw, vICP can be beat on console no problem.

His point was the mechanics. Sure you can burn the second boss on vICP but if you actually try to use the mechanics it's horrible because these people don't know how to map controllers and refuse to let us do it. The map button was given more priority than the weapon swap button that's all that needs to be said.