Maybe try to think of it not as a penalty for being ahead but instead that you are earning CP at a normal pace while those with much lower CP get a boost.

I'd recomment do just ignore cp. I mean, they plan to increase it by an amout so it requires less than 30min of questing per day to reach the cap for every dlc, so basicly nearly everyone who playes the game somehow continously will reach the cap.

Yup I had to earn each of my CP and now it rains for new players. I wanted a catch up mechanic but it seems kinda ridiculous.

agree.

950k+ per c/p seems a little excessive.

(and yes, i'm well aware many of you are looking at a much higher requirement for your next championship point)


someone once said, back when the notion of a catch up mechanism was being floated, that a c/p should never cost more than 400k.

i agreed then, and i still do.

zos can always throttle how many points a player can utilize, but i don't understand the necessity of penalizing players who routinely accrue a larger number than the mean.

Your reward for playing the game is having fun! Maybe you would have more gold/more alts/better gear then someone who plays less. Isn't that enough? Why does cp have to be the reward for playing longer and more actively then someone else? Especially when cp breaks the balance completly in pvp.

Toons with main spender hitting for 15k with 3k regen and insane shields are all because of the cp system where it makes it possible to build a toon who has his cake and can eat it too. No sacrifices or planning needed. Just stack damage, resource and pump cp into cost reduction and regen. This is a bad way to build a game. And I for one am Glad that at least for the time being there is a cap.

If that next cp point is all the only reason that you're the playing the game then maybe that's the problem there. Build an alt. Complete crafting dailies on alts. Or maybe get all the achievements? All the skill points. Complete vMSA or join an rp guild. So much to do and cp is what everyone wants to focus on?

Lylith wrote: »

agree.

950k+ per c/p seems a little excessive.

(and yes, i'm well aware many of you are looking at a much higher requirement for your next championship point)


someone once said, back when the notion of a catch up mechanism was being floated, that a c/p should never cost more than 400k.

i agreed then, and i still do.

zos can always throttle how many points a player can utilize, but i don't understand the necessity of penalizing players who routinely accrue a larger number than the mean.

^This. Actually, everything, not just the bolded text

I hit the cap not long ago and it's a pain to gain another CP now, it takes days.. although I'm playing fairly often/many hours a day. I'm not grinding for CPs, though, I don't see why I should be forced to that in order to gain more CP for the next cap... The current amount of XP required is waaayyy too high, yes!

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

I'd recomment do just ignore cp..

^
This.
It used to matter at a time, but know I just consider it as the max level, without having to regear

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

Yup I had to earn each of my CP and now it rains for new players. I wanted a catch up mechanic but it seems kinda ridiculous.

I tried to tell to Zen, cosmetic/convenient endgame rewards are the way to go, but they decided this path for themselves, if you make vet players too powerful, they kill casual and new players in 1 month easily.

If they had built this game's endgame on cosmetic and convenient, I'd guess this game had 3x more population now.

kirk_lewis_ESO wrote: »

If i commit a champion point, is it permanent? Been hoarding mine

You can reset them by paying gold, just like you do your skills except you don't need a shrine.

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Maybe try to think of it not as a penalty for being ahead but instead that you are earning CP at a normal pace while those with much lower CP get a boost.

The problem is that he isn't earning CP at the normal pace. That was 400k per CP. He's not even earning CP at the higher rate required by the XP curve of the catch-up system. He's getting hit by a double penalty.

The catch up system works without that. I had a look at the current curve and if someone is 51 CP away from the cap, they would need the same amount of XP to reach the cap as a new player would need to get 194 CP. That would take about 59 days if both players only used up their enlightenment on a daily basis (or went on a binge on the weekend).

Now, if someone is a new player, they will usually spend more time doing XP-generating activities than someone who has been around for a while, so they would probably catch up even faster.

People who have been around for a while do stuff that doesn't give a lot of XP, like fishing or gathering or getting together with friends. I think the fact that you can't use any of the CP above the cap is enough of a deterrent to grinders.

What's happening now is that there are a number of long-time players that simply enjoy playing the game that are getting close to the cap (I'm at about 472 right now). We will hit it before TG comes out and the cap is raised, and if they really only raise it by 51 CP, we will hit the cap again within 2 months of the DLC, if not earlier.

Then it will take us longer to earn a CP than it takes to gain a vet rank (my DK is vet 2 right now), and the vet rank gives you an attribute point and a skill point, whereas the CP gives you a 0.1% increase in something.

And I find this is most problematic when it comes to XP generated by questing, because most quests can only be done once and if you did it while you had a 2x XP penalty, then you're never getting that XP back.

Champion points are not something to focus on, but the "ooh! I got a Champion Point!" when you are in the middle of playing the game is nice, and having that almost disappear when I hit the cap is going to be disappointing.

CP was created for the people who complained vet grinding took too long. CP is our reward in between leveling in vet levels which took too long per the people who complained in the forums. CP is like AA's in everquest- it is another way to define our character beyond the normal skill point placement and should be kept.

The game can't really be called new anymore but we are constantly getting new players who havent yet gotten a grasp on how to understand character builds on their own...

I'm not at the CP cap yet, but will be soon (470). I'm all for a catch-up mechanic, but fail to see why there also needs to be a slow-down mechanic. There are very few days I have not logged on since early release. But that is about to change as long as the CP cap is at 51/qtr and there is a higher cost for CP above the cap. I enjoy playing the game, but there are other games I have been putting off to play ESO. If my efforts are to be penalized, I will play to cap, then stop until the cap is raised. Naturally, I will not subscribe for this play model, even though I have done so since release. I have enough crowns to buy the next year or 2 of DLC. For those who say, "why do you need all that CP", it's a simple answer for me. There are tree top perks like War Mount, Windrunning, Treasure Hunter that I would like to unlock. They are all in Thief. To unlock them all would requre 945 CP. If the system stays the same, and my math is right, I'll unlock them in about 2.5 years.....if I still play the game, if the game is still around, if zos doesn't make some other changes that removes them all together. I don't consider myself an elite because I am near the CP cap. I haven't taken advantage of the system in any way. I am near the cap because I did the work required to get there. In my world, working for the reward is ingrained. I guess that paradigm has changed now. What matters most is decided by whoever is willing to pay for it.