New gear in Thieves guild/U9

Pangnirtung · January 2016

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

I do not have a single piece of robust VR16 Briarheart jewelry.

I wish I could hook you up. I have more full sets than I'll ever need.

Likewise. Two characters have all the purple jewellery w/the right traits that they need.

RNG.

Nifty2g · January 2016

@ZOS_Finn are you able to let us know if any of these sets include the full armor pieces and rings/necklaces?
The 3pc sounds like something I'd use over Willpower possibly

Bfish22090 · January 2016

What is vicious death? And the other two ebon and hircinees veneer are bop currently so...

Dagoth_Rac · January 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

I thought he was just talking about Trial gear?

Trial gear is always BoP but if the other gear is BoP i really hope it isn't. Because they did have a meeting where they told players they are focusing more on BoE gear in the game

Trials Gear in the past was never BoP. Only the final boss drop was BoP. But everything up until that was BoE. Stuff from the 12-man Trials like Syrabane, Silks of the Sun, Dreugh King, Skirmisher, Red Mountain, Necropotence, Darkstride, Dragonguard, etc., was all BoE. And DSA was considered a Trial, too. And only the Master Weapon from final chest was BoP. Footman, Healer, etc., were all BoE. Some of those sets were really good, some not so much. But all could be bought and sold.

If they are so concerned with people having to buy the DLC, at least allow people who have bought the DLC to buy and trade it amongst themselves. Make the gear appear in red if you do not own the DLC or are not an ESO+ member, just like if the gear was above your level. The current method punishes the paying customer who subscribes or bought your DLC. The restriction should be at equip level. "Bind on Equip", sure, but you cannot equip if you do not have access to the DLC that the gear came from. Now there is an economy for the new gear, but no ZOS business fear that people will bypass purchasing DLC and just purchase the DLC gear for gold from other players.

And you could still leave final boss gear as BoP, just like in the past. I don't think people are opposed to a few final boss items being BoP, just opposed to everything being bind on equip.

Nifty2g · January 2016

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

I thought he was just talking about Trial gear?

Trial gear is always BoP but if the other gear is BoP i really hope it isn't. Because they did have a meeting where they told players they are focusing more on BoE gear in the game

Trials Gear in the past was never BoP. Only the final boss drop was BoP. But everything up until that was BoE. Stuff from the 12-man Trials like Syrabane, Silks of the Sun, Dreugh King, Skirmisher, Red Mountain, Necropotence, Darkstride, Dragonguard, etc., was all BoE. And DSA was considered a Trial, too. And only the Master Weapon from final chest was BoP. Footman, Healer, etc., were all BoE. Some of those sets were really good, some not so much. But all could be bought and sold.

If they are so concerned with people having to buy the DLC, at least allow people who have bought the DLC to buy and trade it amongst themselves. Make the gear appear in red if you do not own the DLC or are not an ESO+ member, just like if the gear was above your level. The current method punishes the paying customer who subscribes or bought your DLC. The restriction should be at equip level. "Bind on Equip", sure, but you cannot equip if you do not have access to the DLC that the gear came from. Now there is an economy for the new gear, but no ZOS business fear that people will bypass purchasing DLC and just purchase the DLC gear for gold from other players.

And you could still leave final boss gear as BoP, just like in the past. I don't think people are opposed to a few final boss items being BoP, just opposed to everything being bind on equip.

That's what they are doing lol
Unique gear is bop the rest is boe that's what you quoted me on

Waseem · January 2016

I am from those who were against the Bind of Pickup, now i support it for these reasons:
1) trades is a very nasty and dirty business in ESO.
guild leaders and big traders make insanely huge profits and they have loads of cash stored just for absolutely nothing but to manipulate the trades- if new gear are tradable, guild leader will catch the opportunity to net even more millions to fill their pockets, the prices of new gear will be insanely high for an extended period of time (trust me, the willpower and agility jewelry gave a lesson to big traders how to make the 10m profit into 50m- (I remember it well when my guild leader used to buy my willpower rings and sell them +50/100)
ZOS makes sure their poison to the trades stop by preventing them from continuing that - yes trade guilds leaders and big traders(market manipulators), ZOS will not let your nasty business continue anymore, stick with tempering alloy and dreugh wax.
*keeping some balance in the market is vital for the game to survive for upcoming years, its not 12 Y.O. kids working at ZOS.
2)Bind on Pickup supports the slackers,lazy,casuals this kind of people that wants everything in exchange for gold that easily earned- hardcore and elite players might complain about that - for not having "exclusive" items for them.
3) new DLC means new resources,new work,new investments
game=business, if you have basic ESO client with 0 DLCs and can buy briarheart set or molag kena set or veteran maelstrom arena weapons for gold, will you purchase the new DLC? i know some will say yes others no, but the majority will go for no.
where is the profit for the investor? servers shut down after 2-3 DLCs.
4)devs wants players to enjoy the new content for weeks/months
otherwise the new content will be played for quite low time which affects the time between each DLC (player A gets all new gear with this DLC in 3 days, 1 month later he complain that there is no new content, player B gets all his new gear with a month, he enjoys them more- and in all that period, he assisted to keep the new DLC alive for longer opposed to player A)
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there might be other people with other reasons to support or to unsupport the Bind on Pickup.
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reasons to not support Bind on Pickup- and why they are not extremely vital.
*cannot trade gear you dont need - blame the market manipulators again, ZOS is by no means wants the game to be killed by gold manipulaters. - its like a sacrifice you should live with it - i dont like this aswell, but its better for my game!
*over time not receiving the wanted items turns on to be a chore of farming which gets boring- again, blame market manipulators who put you in this
*some people might not like playing PvE because they are PvPers - Well. you choose to play 10% of the game, you have access to what.. 10% of the in-game gear? no. you have access to 90% of the game's gear, to get full access to all gear play the game as it was designed - PvP AND PvE.
*** keep in mind, the Bind on Pickup prevented/slowered/stopped alot of gold for real money trades(which is illegal by ZOS terms of their game). thats a nice hit for market manipulators.
just look at the 2 sides of the coin....

Artjuh90 · January 2016

will we be able to trade trial gear with the people in the trial? maybe when we are still in the trial just to help eachother out

Arkadius · January 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

will we be able to trade trial gear with the people in the trial? maybe when we are still in the trial just to help eachother out

They would certainly have announced it, if that was the case.

ZOS_Finn · January 2016

Did I say Vicious Death? I meant Worm's Raiment.

Waseem · January 2016

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Is anyone even using the BoP gear from Imperial City or Wrothgar? Maybe Moleg Kena because you only need to get 2 pieces, but stuff like Briarheart and Essence Thief and Scathing Mage? Getting 5 different pieces with decent traits that do not interfere with your Undaunted set? It takes such a monumental amount of grinding that hardly anyone is using these sets. I must have run WGT and ICP hundreds of times each. I have 3 Essence Thief and 2 Sheer Venom. I have run more Wrothgar World Bosses and Delve dailies than I can count. I do not have a single piece of robust VR16 Briarheart jewelry.

Congrats, ZOS, more gear that no one will use.

i did wrothgar dailies alot, and opened world chests. my main set to get was briarheart, now i have
2x robust v16 rings
2x healthy v16 rings
1x healthy v16 amulet
1x arcane v16 amulet
2x divines v16 sashes
1x divines v16 arm cops
1x divines v16 helmet
1x divines v16 armor - chest piece
1x divines v16 shoes
got quite nice parts of the other sets on v16 aswell.
estimated time to gather those was 80-100 hours of gameplay.

Personofsecrets · January 2016

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

Hey Folks,

Since this is regarding what I said on ESO Live, I felt I should chime in here. I was referring to the new Trial sets and only the new Trial sets as being BoP. That means only the four brand new sets. The other three sets (Hircine's Veneer, Ebon Armory, and Vicious Death) which drop in the Trial, and you've seen elsewhere, are BoE.

Hope that helps!

We don't like BOP. We have had so much BOP that the idea of BOP has been poisoned and that anything from now on associated with BOP will be thought down upon, if for no other reason, because of BOP.

And this is what happens when devs let their brand get damaged and don't change the parts people hate for excruciatingly long periods of time. Looking at you Rich.

Ra'Shtar · January 2016

At least we know there is a new set called Vicious Death sounds stamina to me

Volkodav · January 2016

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

At least we know there is a new set called Vicious Death sounds stamina to me

Gina said she used the wrong words.She meant to say Worm's Raiment,instead.

Forestd16b14_ESO · January 2016

Well I just hate BoP in general I constantly get monster helms and shoulders from undaunted stuff all the time and I'm never gonna use them and I hate just to decon them along with the Orsinium stuff. I hate to decon them but BoP means I can't sell them to players who need it.

Personofsecrets · January 2016

@ZOS_Finn , can you please make some changes to either the trait system (trait changes) or make loot tradeable for some time after you get with the same people in your group. Tell Rich that Diablo 3 even has those things and that it is time for ESO to catch up to the current year.

That would make the BOP pill easier to swallow.

Artjuh90 · January 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Well I just hate BoP in general I constantly get monster helms and shoulders from undaunted stuff all the time and I'm never gonna use them and I hate just to decon them along with the Orsinium stuff. I hate to decon them but BoP means I can't sell them to players who need it.

well i kinda get the BoP in the trials though. gives you a reason to run them. same with maelstrom arena. all they need to do is remove the useless traits and make those items be able to be traded with your group in the trial while still grouped if you get what i mean. so if your magicka DPS loots a great medium armor piece and the stam dps loots a great light armor piece they can trade it. but for just like 5 or 10 minutes or so. but maybe that is just 2 mutch to be asked

Personofsecrets · January 2016

Waseem wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Is anyone even using the BoP gear from Imperial City or Wrothgar? Maybe Moleg Kena because you only need to get 2 pieces, but stuff like Briarheart and Essence Thief and Scathing Mage? Getting 5 different pieces with decent traits that do not interfere with your Undaunted set? It takes such a monumental amount of grinding that hardly anyone is using these sets. I must have run WGT and ICP hundreds of times each. I have 3 Essence Thief and 2 Sheer Venom. I have run more Wrothgar World Bosses and Delve dailies than I can count. I do not have a single piece of robust VR16 Briarheart jewelry.

Congrats, ZOS, more gear that no one will use.

i did wrothgar dailies alot, and opened world chests. my main set to get was briarheart, now i have
2x robust v16 rings
2x healthy v16 rings
1x healthy v16 amulet
1x arcane v16 amulet
2x divines v16 sashes
1x divines v16 arm cops
1x divines v16 helmet
1x divines v16 armor - chest piece
1x divines v16 shoes
got quite nice parts of the other sets on v16 aswell.
estimated time to gather those was 80-100 hours of gameplay.

I've farmed for the same amount of time about and only have a single piece out of the 5 trinimac that I want which is v16. It is time for luck to play a smaller role in loot acquisition.

Maddux · January 2016

Im against BoP on Sets like SPC, Surge and others. I have seen to much Tanks getting SPC and DD-Sets in perfect Traits or vice versa that they deconstruct because they didnt need it for any of there Chars.
But BoP on Trialdrops? The new Trial comes in 2 Difficultys without the Hardmodes and the devs said that nonvet Mode is like nonvet MSA, which is pretty easy. So no Excuses if you cant kill the Bosses. Get better, help your Guildmates to get better or get a better Guild for the new Trial. You can be Member of 5 Guilds at the same Time and one of them should be good enough to do the Trial on nonvet.
The only Excuse is if Zenimax again puts that damn RNG in with a 0,5% Chance to get the right Set and the right Piece with the right Trait.

Zinaroth · January 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

I thought he was just talking about Trial gear?

Trial gear is always BoP but if the other gear is BoP i really hope it isn't. Because they did have a meeting where they told players they are focusing more on BoE gear in the game

Where and when was this meeting?

Mix · January 2016

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

Hey Folks,

Since this is regarding what I said on ESO Live, I felt I should chime in here. I was referring to the new Trial sets and only the new Trial sets as being BoP. That means only the four brand new sets. The other three sets (Hircine's Veneer, Ebon Armory, and Vicious Death) which drop in the Trial, and you've seen elsewhere, are BoE.

Hope that helps!

We don't like BOP. We have had so much BOP that the idea of BOP has been poisoned and that anything from now on associated with BOP will be thought down upon, if for no other reason, because of BOP.

And this is what happens when devs let their brand get damaged and don't change the parts people hate for excruciatingly long periods of time. Looking at you Rich.

You don't speak for everyone. I don't think the majority of dungeon gear or trial gear should be BoE, if you want it you should have to run the dungeon/trial. I personally believe the same for PvP rewarded gear. It is nice to get something to sell to make gold, but they could just up the amount of gold bosses drop so you can make some cash during a dungeon/raid or have the trash mobs able to drop some BoE stuff that isn't the main dungeon/trial set gear.

One thing I would like to see changed is the BoE of the Wrothgar sets from the chest/daily boxes because random traits + multiple sets is a pain to collect and playing PvE, grouping up for a world boss isn't that big of a challenge that I think that gear should be earned by defeating the encounter.

I find random traits (and armor weights) quite annoying and it would be nice to see a way to pay an npc to "scrub" off a trait and put your preferred one at least, not sure if the same would work well for armor weight, but I currently find things like monster sets a bit too grindy to get your preferred combination.

Maddux · January 2016

Mix wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

Hey Folks,

Since this is regarding what I said on ESO Live, I felt I should chime in here. I was referring to the new Trial sets and only the new Trial sets as being BoP. That means only the four brand new sets. The other three sets (Hircine's Veneer, Ebon Armory, and Vicious Death) which drop in the Trial, and you've seen elsewhere, are BoE.

Hope that helps!

We don't like BOP. We have had so much BOP that the idea of BOP has been poisoned and that anything from now on associated with BOP will be thought down upon, if for no other reason, because of BOP.

And this is what happens when devs let their brand get damaged and don't change the parts people hate for excruciatingly long periods of time. Looking at you Rich.

I find random traits (and armor weights) quite annoying and it would be nice to see a way to pay an npc to "scrub" off a trait and put your preferred one at least, not sure if the same would work well for armor weight, but I currently find things like monster sets a bit too grindy to get your preferred combination.

It would help a lot if we could loot "Piece of XXX Chest/Legs/whatever", bring it to a Vendor and craft it to the Armorpart in the Armorclass and with the Trait we need. There is still the RNG that you need to loot the Chest if you wanna craft a Chest but the RNG to get the Piece you need from Surge, SPC or other Sets in the right Trait is horrible.
Idk how many Runs i had through vWGT until i had 5 different Pieces SPC in Divines and i still just have 3 different Pieces Surge in Divines.

Artjuh90 · January 2016

Maddux wrote: »

Mix wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

Hey Folks,

Since this is regarding what I said on ESO Live, I felt I should chime in here. I was referring to the new Trial sets and only the new Trial sets as being BoP. That means only the four brand new sets. The other three sets (Hircine's Veneer, Ebon Armory, and Vicious Death) which drop in the Trial, and you've seen elsewhere, are BoE.

Hope that helps!

We don't like BOP. We have had so much BOP that the idea of BOP has been poisoned and that anything from now on associated with BOP will be thought down upon, if for no other reason, because of BOP.

And this is what happens when devs let their brand get damaged and don't change the parts people hate for excruciatingly long periods of time. Looking at you Rich.

I find random traits (and armor weights) quite annoying and it would be nice to see a way to pay an npc to "scrub" off a trait and put your preferred one at least, not sure if the same would work well for armor weight, but I currently find things like monster sets a bit too grindy to get your preferred combination.

It would help a lot if we could loot "Piece of XXX Chest/Legs/whatever", bring it to a Vendor and craft it to the Armorpart in the Armorclass and with the Trait we need. There is still the RNG that you need to loot the Chest if you wanna craft a Chest but the RNG to get the Piece you need from Surge, SPC or other Sets in the right Trait is horrible.
Idk how many Runs i had through vWGT until i had 5 different Pieces SPC in Divines and i still just have 3 different Pieces Surge in Divines.

^would work and not *** off that many people. the main reason people hated the vMSA even if you completed it you could end up with a great armor/weapon with a useless trait

PainfulFAFA · January 2016

Kammakazi wrote: »

Don't worry they have 2 months to decide if they want to go through with this idea.

Do you really think they will change their mind?
They want people to buy their DLC, otherwise people would just wait for those items to be in the market.

Islyn · January 2016

ESOFanBoyz wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

If you want the new gear, you have to buy the new DLC.

Jesus people.

For 1 he was talking specifically about the Trial sets. Also they said you can get the new trial sets from completing ANY of the weekly trial leaderboard rewards, that means that there are 4 other sources for people to get these sets who do not get the DLC.

I know right?

Dramatic Wig Out Conclusion Jumping Crazytrain - Next stop! Here! Woo! Woooo!

Personofsecrets · January 2016

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

Don't worry they have 2 months to decide if they want to go through with this idea.

Do you really think they will change their mind?

qft

Personofsecrets · January 2016

Mix wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

Hey Folks,

Since this is regarding what I said on ESO Live, I felt I should chime in here. I was referring to the new Trial sets and only the new Trial sets as being BoP. That means only the four brand new sets. The other three sets (Hircine's Veneer, Ebon Armory, and Vicious Death) which drop in the Trial, and you've seen elsewhere, are BoE.

Hope that helps!

We don't like BOP. We have had so much BOP that the idea of BOP has been poisoned and that anything from now on associated with BOP will be thought down upon, if for no other reason, because of BOP.

And this is what happens when devs let their brand get damaged and don't change the parts people hate for excruciatingly long periods of time. Looking at you Rich.

You don't speak for everyone. I don't think the majority of dungeon gear or trial gear should be BoE, if you want it you should have to run the dungeon/trial. I personally believe the same for PvP rewarded gear. It is nice to get something to sell to make gold, but they could just up the amount of gold bosses drop so you can make some cash during a dungeon/raid or have the trash mobs able to drop some BoE stuff that isn't the main dungeon/trial set gear.

One thing I would like to see changed is the BoE of the Wrothgar sets from the chest/daily boxes because random traits + multiple sets is a pain to collect and playing PvE, grouping up for a world boss isn't that big of a challenge that I think that gear should be earned by defeating the encounter.

I find random traits (and armor weights) quite annoying and it would be nice to see a way to pay an npc to "scrub" off a trait and put your preferred one at least, not sure if the same would work well for armor weight, but I currently find things like monster sets a bit too grindy to get your preferred combination.

Thank you for pointing out the .01% of people that my statement doesn't apply to. That insight is very valuable.

DeeBeet · January 2016

Why not just make it so you have to have the dlc or have eso plus in order to equip the dlc sets.

Nifty2g · January 2016

Zinaroth wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

I thought he was just talking about Trial gear?

Trial gear is always BoP but if the other gear is BoP i really hope it isn't. Because they did have a meeting where they told players they are focusing more on BoE gear in the game

Where and when was this meeting?

About a month ago ETU and some other guilds had a talk to devs in NA server

Kyoma · January 2016

As for tanks getting dd sets & dds getting tank sets we really need a Bind-on-Group (or whatever) for trials.

Xsorus · January 2016

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

Hey Folks,

Since this is regarding what I said on ESO Live, I felt I should chime in here. I was referring to the new Trial sets and only the new Trial sets as being BoP. That means only the four brand new sets. The other three sets (Hircine's Veneer, Ebon Armory, and Vicious Death) which drop in the Trial, and you've seen elsewhere, are BoE.

Hope that helps!

Please make it so Impenetrable can drop on these pieces of gear.....Its extremely annoying to not be able to use some of the PVE sets in PvP cause of this.