Capes in ESO

edorfeus · January 2016

We all heard that Zenimax didn't add capes to the game due to some complications with cloth physics, but, however, there are many cloth elements in the current armors and everything's working fine. For example heavy mercenary legs has this kind of kilt , which is basically a cloth and there are variety of long robes, not mentioning the guild tabards, and the physics on them seem to work just fine.
So, what's the difference between those two types of cloth? Is there really that much of a difference if cloth hangs from your waist or from your back?
It's kind of hard to believe.

Thelon · January 2016

Daveheart · January 2016

Does anyone actually care why they would or would not add capes at this point? They really don't need to be spending any development time on it whatsoever.

Acrolas · January 2016

Voxicity · January 2016

Capes aren't a problem. Every player in the game wearing a cape is the problem. Not every player in the game wants to wear heavy mercenary legs. Therefore heavy mercenary legs aren't a problem.

Nestor · January 2016

The capes you want can't be put in the game, it will be lag fest

The capes they can add to the game, you don't want.

khele23eb17_ESO · January 2016

No.

yodased · January 2016

The issue is the physics and lighting engines being used in the game.

The amount of individual movements for every cape being worn in an area would melt the servers.

They could put something like plastic that is formed and doesn't move but mah ermushion so no capes!

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · January 2016

As per EDNA, # 2. NO CAPES

ianock · January 2016

Nestor wrote: »

The capes you want can't be put in the game, it will be lag fest

The capes they can add to the game, you don't want.

Exactly this. Many people have said exactly this. The devs also said exactly this.
It's an unfortunate truth for some, but it's not going to make/break the game... The selling points do not lie with 'capes'.

I'm excited for the new motifs that will come

more so than if capes would ever come out.

KhajiitiLizard · January 2016

Also it would clip like hell with tails...

KramUzibra · January 2016

Daveheart wrote: »

Does anyone actually care why they would or would not add capes at this point? They really don't need to be spending any development time on it whatsoever.

We should all care. They nit only look cool but serve as an extra armor or accessory for set bonuses.

I'm sure they will eventually add it. They still draw the scarves and half capes in the dlc art.

Samsayia · January 2016

Wait, really? How would capes make a lag issue?? Someone explain this to me?
It's a cosmetic .__. with maybe like....four or five animations on it.

Voxicity · January 2016

Samsayia wrote: »

Wait, really? How would capes make a lag issue?? Someone explain this to me?
It's a cosmetic .__. with maybe like....four or five animations on it.

In order to make the dynamic animations of the cape, there has to be a lot of 'points' on it in order for it to move naturally. Otherwise it'd just look like a piece of paper or bit of cardboard.

I don't really know how to explain it properly but basically the fact that you can move your character in so mamy different ways, literally thousands, they can't just make an animation and stick it on there. It has to be dynamic and change depending on its conditions.

I played an mmo which had capes with really good dynamic animation, but my god did it drop performance by a lot.

Dynamic hair is a similar issue. You'll notice that the hair on characters is mostly just a 'chunk' of hair with maybe a bit of animation. It's just simply not possible in the game engine I guess.

Volkodav · January 2016

Why? Your weapons wont be underneath them. They'll clip right through them and then everyone will b-i-t-c-h about it.

Artjuh90 · January 2016

KramUzibra wrote: »

Daveheart wrote: »

Does anyone actually care why they would or would not add capes at this point? They really don't need to be spending any development time on it whatsoever.

We should all care. They nit only look cool but serve as an extra armor or accessory for set bonuses.

I'm sure they will eventually add it. They still draw the scarves and half capes in the dlc art.

which would be negated by the fact everyone has that bonus. so in the end no change. same with people at max level having 64 attribute points or let's say 80. people will still have are balanced that way

Samsayia · January 2016

Vox wrote: »

In order to make the dynamic animations of the cape, there has to be a lot of 'points' on it in order for it to move naturally. Otherwise it'd just look like a piece of paper or bit of cardboard.

I don't really know how to explain it properly but basically the fact that you can move your character in so mamy different ways, literally thousands, they can't just make an animation and stick it on there. It has to be dynamic and change depending on its conditions.

I played an mmo which had capes with really good dynamic animation, but my god did it drop performance by a lot.

Dynamic hair is a similar issue. You'll notice that the hair on characters is mostly just a 'chunk' of hair with maybe a bit of animation. It's just simply not possible in the game engine I guess.

Now I just wonder if this is why Batman Arkham knight had so many optimization issues on the PC.

Capes ruining video games. Who knew o__o; I don't think I would mind a more static cape though. I used a mod in Skyrim for a cape and the cape itself really didn't move too much and I thought that was fine. Especially cuz it was a hooded cowl sort of cape with a mask and everything. Didn't really look like flapping cardboard, but it wasn't the most dynamic thing I've ever seen.

I think I get what you're saying but now I'm rly curious what the game ruining mechanic is

Forestd16b14_ESO · January 2016

ZOS already said no for animation effects alone.

MrDerrikk · January 2016

Samsayia wrote: »

Vox wrote: »

In order to make the dynamic animations of the cape, there has to be a lot of 'points' on it in order for it to move naturally. Otherwise it'd just look like a piece of paper or bit of cardboard.

I don't really know how to explain it properly but basically the fact that you can move your character in so mamy different ways, literally thousands, they can't just make an animation and stick it on there. It has to be dynamic and change depending on its conditions.

I played an mmo which had capes with really good dynamic animation, but my god did it drop performance by a lot.

Dynamic hair is a similar issue. You'll notice that the hair on characters is mostly just a 'chunk' of hair with maybe a bit of animation. It's just simply not possible in the game engine I guess.

Now I just wonder if this is why Batman Arkham knight had so many optimization issues on the PC.

Capes ruining video games. Who knew o__o; I don't think I would mind a more static cape though. I used a mod in Skyrim for a cape and the cape itself really didn't move too much and I thought that was fine. Especially cuz it was a hooded cowl sort of cape with a mask and everything. Didn't really look like flapping cardboard, but it wasn't the most dynamic thing I've ever seen.

I think I get what you're saying but now I'm rly curious what the game ruining mechanic is

If that's the main Capes mod for Skyrim, I can attest that when I added it to my old laptop it melted my integrated graphics as it was just too much. Seeing as the base game was almost too much anyway though I guess it could not be too bad.

Alabyn · January 2016

Dynamic hair?! I never even thought of that! I will not be happy until servers can handle rendering that would do justice to my jostling bellah.

TheShadowScout · January 2016

Nestor wrote: »

The capes you want can't be put in the game, it will be lag fest

The capes they can add to the game, you don't want.

^This!^

And that's what has been said about the matter ever since launch. They are generally taking care to keep things clipping through each other at a minimum, and any cape they could add without the whole thing turning into lagmaster mire would be simple backflaps that clip through everything (like the Lich has, in game...) They decided if they can't do it -right- ESO might be better off not having it done at all. And while I would have liked some cape-ness to protect my characters from the cold rain, I can understand and accept that reasoning.

joker0137 · January 2016

If we get capes, we will need top hats and thin curly mustaches to match.

Oh and a railway line so we can tie damsels to them

ral · January 2016

Even thou I want I want a cape on my NB. I would rather see both weapons in your back for realistic weapon swaps before a cape

WalkingLegacy · January 2016

I don't want capes. I want cloaks.

Bluepitbull13 · January 2016

I would like a black cape pliss, I would wear heavy Xyvkin helm and dye everything black while I perch myself up on the posts of Rawl'kha and pretend to be Batman (<--- as you can see, I put some thought in this

)
*proof*

Xellos77 · January 2016

Capes only if they add "Twilight sparkle skin" to CS. Totes jelly.

Rune_Relic · January 2016

The problem is to make it fluid you need lots of vertices and polygons.
Everyone one of those polygons acts like a bone rig connected to the next.
Each one of those needs to have different weights and such assigned and then rendered through realtime physics with environmental impact such as wind and movement.

ZOS said they would not do it unless they could make it look good.
And making it look good hits the system way too hard with 100s of people on screen.
Performance would go down the pan.

So.....no capes. As the rigor mortis variety looks naff.

Xellos77 · January 2016

Capes=Cyrodiil would explode in a ball of fire? I'm in.

*grabs popcorn*

Snowstrider · January 2016

Wish we could have capes and cloaks but sadly i come to accept that eso simply got a bad art and engine so it cant have it.

Look AT the armors in this game. And The weapons and shields ln your back.

JD2013 · January 2016

Gina recently said that there are no plans to add Cloaks or Capes into the game.

So, no capes.

Bluepitbull13 · January 2016

JD2013 wrote: »

Gina recently said that there are no plans to add Cloaks or Capes into the game.

So, no capes.