Stamina in pvp

Joy_Division wrote: »

As of right now, I think magicka is stronger in PvE and stamina is stronger in PvP.

I think I'll actually agree to that. Part of that is you're generally much better off ranged in PvE because a lot of things do hard hitting/1-shotting AoEs and stuff, plus most PvE bosses damage is magicka, meaning Annulment does wonders for protecting magicka users - but not so much stamina ones(very noticeable on, say, Warden in vICP).
In PvP now, being up close is usually more deadly for your opponent than you(assuming you know what you're doing) and that extra stamina also makes for more block/break free/rolldodge which can be a difference between life and death.

I don't support any of the three options provided.

I truly believe that player skill, in combination with proper itemization and statistical min/maxing is what prevails in terms of damage.

1. Proper itemization - i.e. wearing sets that compliment your build type.
2. Statistical min/maxing - i.e. thorough testing of all viable combinations of sets, buffs, and rotations.
3. Player skill - allows one to properly implement options 1 & 2 in practice.

People have been proving builds on every end of the spectrum for a long time. Even now I know of two builds, one is magicka and the other is stamina, that both give each other a run for their septims, in both pve and pvp. And both are highly regarded as the current meta and OP relative to all else. Of course, the last part of this statement is too subjective to take seriously, but the point is that it doesn't matter.

It's not the car, but the driver.

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

If we're talking strictly Damage: stam for both pvp and pve

Yes STA for DPS in PvP and PvE.

Joy_Division wrote: »

As of right now, I think magicka is stronger in PvE and stamina is stronger in PvP.

No, not really. I even seen groups doing 4dd runs in veteran ICP/WGT using stamina builds.
Also stam dk and nb show really good numbers in trials.

I think a factor in the difference is the fact that stamina gear has higher mitigation. Imo, magicka should have superior spell resistance and stamina should have superior physical resistance. So it's not just who is stronger, but who is weaker thus making the other class stronger.

Big hits, big heals. Literally no downside to being a stamina build at end game.

Id say stamina for pvp.
Magicka seems a lot more useful for pve though

Ahzek wrote: »

@Iyas but sorcs can oneshot people with mines and hardened never actually gets broken

Seriously though, it all depends on the specific builds. Atm for pure solo open world / duelling i would say stamina DK, magicka NB and stamina NB are the strongest classes, in that order.

Generally, regardless of things like itemization, possible charackter stats and CP disparities, Stamina mostly has the better weapon skills ( dual wield being the big *** exception) while magicka mostly benefits from strong class abilities.

Also, while it is sad this even has to be considered impactful in balance, stamina has way better exploits. Axeploiting and reverb shenanigans easily beat that bit of magicka mag players exploit out of harness . (Those are the most common exploits I see these days).

Very insightful, thank you for posting this.

I do agree with all of this. I'd like to add in one bit too, and say that resource management for stamina users is much easier in PvE than for magicka users, but there are still ways to compensate. It's very difficult to compare resource management in cyrodiil, simply because there are so many more break-free and dodge-roll mechanics that have to be met. The impact of this is noticeable on both sides of the stam/mag spectrum, and we could spend all day analyzing it.

What this poll shows is whats played more.

Stamina for Tanking, DPS, and PvP. It would even be stronger after DB according to Wrobel.

So many deluded people in here lol.

Lol in all honestly Magicka is stronger try getting hit with a 12k prox into cloud swarm; here's a hint you're already dead.

Magicka isn't "Stronger" in PvP to many players because they're either a magicka DK or they're either a magicka DK. If you're a Magicka NB or Sorc you'll face roll if you're doing it right.

Against my main (mag sorc) there is no contest (see "Total Death Recap Damage vs Source Type"):

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/246916/cumulative-death-recap-damage-breakdown

My guess is that in large part it depends on what you play and how you play.

Edit: Please note that this "stronger" vote is based on what is getting kills. It could also just be a vote regarding how many play stam vs mag - I don't really know (but it might be interesting to look into...).