Shield stacking sorcs eso's new tanks

Rampagex · January 2016

Unfortunately i witnessed tonight another example of class imbalance . A shield stacking sorc numerous times was fighting groups of at least 10 - 15 , sometimes more , and it took time and a sizeable group to take him down . If that was not proof enough that shield stacking is broken i dont know what is , the funny thing is , a light armour wearing caster stacking shields is now ESO'S new tank class , nice work zos . So much for Heavy armour ...... Class imbalance and lag is ruining pvp

HebrewHatchet · January 2016

"He took some time to kill" isn't proof enough of anything. Nice work OP.

Thelon · January 2016

A good sorc kiting zergbads is not indicative of class imbalance.

Kwivur · January 2016

As a sorc, I'm sorry your easy button doesn't work.

hrothbern · January 2016

Rampagex wrote: »

Unfortunately i witnessed tonight another example of class imbalance . A shield stacking sorc numerous times was fighting groups of at least 10 - 15 , sometimes more , and it took time and a sizeable group to take him down . If that was not proof enough that shield stacking is broken i dont know what is , the funny thing is , a light armour wearing caster stacking shields is now ESO'S new tank class , nice work zos . So much for Heavy armour ...... Class imbalance and lag is ruining pvp

is not class imbalance...

but more likely player skill imbalance

Nikkiy · January 2016

"New"

Forestd16b14_ESO · January 2016

Long story short shields need to become part of the major minor system.

bardx86 · January 2016

Shields only stack against Mag user and 1 or 2 stam user should have been able to take him down as there is no shield stack against that. Are you really telling me a 10k shield is op? SMH.

Brrrofski · January 2016

So likelihood is the guy had a 17k shield against a magica user and a 10k shield against a stam user. You honestly are saying that it took that many people to get through it and his health?

How come I kill sorcs all the time on my stam Dk, stam Nb, stam Sorc, stam templar and magica NB. The only classes I struggle to kill them with is mag templar and ironically, magica sorc. Likewise, I get killed in 1vs1 by players of all classes at time. Except magica templars and again magica sorcs (always a dead heat until more of either alliance turn up).

You're either making it up or they were the worst players ever.

But, harness magica shouldn't stack with hardened ward. That should change. And make shields critable. It kills every crit build otherwise. Why bother making a crit build when any magica sorc or magica Dk don't take the extra damage?

Rampagex · January 2016

Good luck on killing Force Siphon by yourself

Thelon · January 2016

Rampagex wrote: »

A shield stacking sorc numerous times was fighting groups of at least 10 - 15

Rampagex wrote: »

Good luck on killing Force Siphon by yourself

Are you changing the goal posts here, or just salty?

H4RDFOX · January 2016

This is about the same rhetoric for when others say that NB's are OP, and NB's defend themselves. There is validity in having a Sorcerer be some BA on the battlefield, which can make for an awesome movie; LOTR. I have witnessed for myself a sorc with that teletravel, and stun players caught in that wave, having to use break free, and having to attack to take that shield down. I am unfamiliar with the resource cost of the shields, and what the shield attributes are, but a 1vXX should be a no go. 1v2 or 1v3 sounds reasonable, but if there is more of us and one sorc, that should be overkill no matter what the case is. Suggesting that skill is involved as to why this one sorc wasn't taken down completely eliminates the basic attacks, weapons, and gear involved in just hitting keys 1-5 in any sequence. I have stats, resources, and skills slotted, and if I attack in any of my bars, I should be taking the shield down, and causing damage. The basis of counterarguement of a skill difference would also denote that the attacks aren't hitting this one individual player, that's 1-7 attacks per seconds.

Rampagex · January 2016

Shields should be critable and Heavy Armour needs to have meaning for a tank

olsborg · January 2016

I think this is a mix of l2p and what is actually somewhat OP, namely shieldstacking. But im sure those other players he fought cant have been very good. Just my 2 scents

H4RDFOX · January 2016

olsborg wrote: »

I think this is a mix of l2p and what is actually somewhat OP, namely shieldstacking. But im sure those other players he fought cant have been very good. Just my 2 scents

What would constitute a good player with a group vs one? Keys 1-5 have possibly a minimum of 3 attacks per player, that's a lot of damage onto one person. This sorc should be taking 4x the damage minimum, and still manages to have their shield up. Is the skill difference suggesting that these players are just not hitting the sorc? That doesn't make sense.

bardx86 · January 2016

H4RDFOX wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I think this is a mix of l2p and what is actually somewhat OP, namely shieldstacking. But im sure those other players he fought cant have been very good. Just my 2 scents

What would constitute a good player with a group vs one? Keys 1-5 have possibly a minimum of 3 attacks per player, that's a lot of damage onto one person. This sorc should be taking 4x the damage minimum, and still manages to have their shield up. Is the skill difference suggesting that these players are just not hitting the sorc? That doesn't make sense.

He is not, there is no way to stack thru 4 players, its to much damage. I would imagine he was using line of site to avoid damage. If thats the case then you just got out played. Once again you can't stack shields vs stam classes.

Jumper45 · January 2016

Im just curious where the wrecking blow was in this situation lmao

Thelon · January 2016

H4RDFOX wrote: »

What would constitute a good player with a group vs one? Keys 1-5 have possibly a minimum of 3 attacks per player, that's a lot of damage onto one person. This sorc should be taking 4x the damage minimum, and still manages to have their shield up. Is the skill difference suggesting that these players are just not hitting the sorc? That doesn't make sense.

Rampagex · January 2016

Shields down , recast shields , rinse , repeat as needed , easy if have regen . Unless an overwhelming amount of non crit damage can burst through/lock down the caster

bardx86 · January 2016

Rampagex wrote: »

Shields down , recast shields , rinse , repeat as needed , easy if have regen . Unless an overwhelming amount of non crit damage can burst through/lock down the caster

Can't shield laying on the ground after a wreaking blow, or feared or hell even spamming SA makes it hard to shield up. Ok clue of the day, you don't go after a sorcs health you go after his stam. CC them!

Rampagex · January 2016

bardx86 wrote: »

Rampagex wrote: »

Shields down , recast shields , rinse , repeat as needed , easy if have regen . Unless an overwhelming amount of non crit damage can burst through/lock down the caster

Can't shield laying on the ground after a wreaking blow, or feared or hell even spamming SA makes it hard to shield up. Ok clue of the day, you don't go after a sorcs health you go after his stam. CC them!

Very true !!

Brrrofski · January 2016

Rampagex wrote: »

Shields down , recast shields , rinse , repeat as needed , easy if have regen . Unless an overwhelming amount of non crit damage can burst through/lock down the caster

That's why you cc every time immunity ends. Their stam will take maybe 3 ccs and be able to break free if they don't doodge, sprint or block. When they can't break free, game over

Rampagex · January 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

Rampagex wrote: »

Shields down , recast shields , rinse , repeat as needed , easy if have regen . Unless an overwhelming amount of non crit damage can burst through/lock down the caster

That's why you cc every time immunity ends. Their stam will take maybe 3 ccs and be able to break free if they don't doodge, sprint or block. When they can't break free, game over

Exactly put , cheers . I would love to see Heavy armour be looked at , I went med / few pieces crit resist with shuffle for more survivability . Heavy armour just doesnt seem to keep you alive any longer wearing it

Baconlad · January 2016

Well its not very hard to pump a little more stamina regen and have plenty to break free on cool down. I do agree however, shield stacking is becoming rediculous, I never had a problem with sorcs blinking away forever, tanks blocking forever, nightblades cloaking forever, and stamina dps dodge rolling forever. None of these above can do significant damage while utilizing these techniques, a sorc (primarily, sorc are not the sole culprit) shield stacking can deal Mack truck style damage. The shields last forever as well...maybe a six to ten second max timer would be sufficient, causing them to cast it often, running them of resources? I don't know...tough situation though, the sorcs have been shield stacking for so long now that its becoming "how you play" a magicka sorc, the longer zos takes to change this, the worse its going to be as players eventually feel like shield stacking is THEIR playstyle. I would be pissed if zos nerfed my favorite playstyle.

Rampagex · January 2016

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Baconlad wrote: »

Well its not very hard to pump a little more stamina regen and have plenty to break free on cool down. I do agree however, shield stacking is becoming rediculous, I never had a problem with sorcs blinking away forever, tanks blocking forever, nightblades cloaking forever, and stamina dps dodge rolling forever. None of these above can do significant damage while utilizing these techniques, a sorc (primarily, sorc are not the sole culprit) shield stacking can deal Mack truck style damage. The shields last forever as well...maybe a six to ten second max timer would be sufficient, causing them to cast it often, running them of resources? I don't know...tough situation though, the sorcs have been shield stacking for so long now that its becoming "how you play" a magicka sorc, the longer zos takes to change this, the worse its going to be as players eventually feel like shield stacking is THEIR playstyle. I would be pissed if zos nerfed my favorite playstyle.

Thankyou that is my exact thoughts

Rampagex · January 2016

Quoting part of a msg sent to me

What these 'skilled' sorcs do is use a third party macro program that monitors a pixel on the screen and when its state changes (color) then does a key stroke. This allows them to use custom ui's that display a shields status, and as soon as it is low or gone cast it again - without them doing anything! This has been around Ultima Online days, and sadly ZOS is not good enough to know how to combat it.

It's real obvious who does this, because like the one you found they can focus their time on movement and casting offense, knowing they dont have to worry about dying. Sorcs that don't violate the TOS like this will die at some point, because it human nature to flub and miss something in that heated moment. No one is that skilled to take on 10 - 20 solo for long times. And yes, they will say they are 'skilled'.

I would certainly hope this was not happening in ESO , ive never heard of it before but makes me think . Is this possible ?

hrothbern · January 2016

Rampagex wrote: »

Quoting part of a msg sent to me

What these 'skilled' sorcs do is use a third party macro program that monitors a pixel on the screen and when its state changes (color) then does a key stroke. This allows them to use custom ui's that display a shields status, and as soon as it is low or gone cast it again - without them doing anything! This has been around Ultima Online days, and sadly ZOS is not good enough to know how to combat it.

It's real obvious who does this, because like the one you found they can focus their time on movement and casting offense, knowing they dont have to worry about dying. Sorcs that don't violate the TOS like this will die at some point, because it human nature to flub and miss something in that heated moment. No one is that skilled to take on 10 - 20 solo for long times. And yes, they will say they are 'skilled'.

I would certainly hope this was not happening in ESO , ive never heard of it before but makes me think . Is this possible ?

@Rampagex ,

You witnessed that fight...

How long did the fight take?
Did that Sorc do many attacks during that time, or was he mainly keeping his shield up and avoid damage by mobility ?
Were there many Magicka users attacking him, just fuelling his Magicka gain ?
Was he CC-d many time times or hardly ?

Brrrofski · January 2016

If you're a Stam build, sorcs don't shield stack for you. They have one shield up that you have to worry about.

Stam NBs that call sorcs shield stackers are my favourite. One surprise atrack will get rid of 80-90% of said shield.

Rampagex · January 2016

Chal mine to bleakers , azuras , many were inv in the fights . Ive played since beta and all i care for is a balanced and lag free experience and to see this game be the best it can be , Baconlad summed it up perfectly my thoughts and ill leave it at that .

Sharee · January 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

Rampagex wrote: »

Shields down , recast shields , rinse , repeat as needed , easy if have regen . Unless an overwhelming amount of non crit damage can burst through/lock down the caster

That's why you cc every time immunity ends. Their stam will take maybe 3 ccs and be able to break free if they don't doodge, sprint or block. When they can't break free, game over

If a sorc only uses his stamina for CC breaking, then with ~900 stam regen, he will regenerate all stamina he used on a break free before he need to break again. You will never run him out of stamina, even if you apply CC every 8 seconds.

Brrrofski · January 2016

Sharee wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Rampagex wrote: »

Shields down , recast shields , rinse , repeat as needed , easy if have regen . Unless an overwhelming amount of non crit damage can burst through/lock down the caster

That's why you cc every time immunity ends. Their stam will take maybe 3 ccs and be able to break free if they don't doodge, sprint or block. When they can't break free, game over

If a sorc only uses his stamina for CC breaking, then with ~900 stam regen, he will regenerate all stamina he used on a break free before he need to break again. You will never run him out of stamina, even if you apply CC every 8 seconds.

Well that's how I kill sorcs and sorcs kill me. Stam is also use for dodge rolling and blocking too.

Will they be harder to kill than any other magica class? Yes. Magica NB can be hard with certain builds. Impossible? Absolutely not. Stam NBs and stam DKs can beat magica sorcs with relative ease.