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CC and it's immunity are broken and need looking into [VIDEO]

DKsUnite
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This is mainly pvp related as that's where most of the CC ingame is. It has been like this, for the entire patch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyImr1nNySA
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  • Artjuh90
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    haha useing an exploid to prove a point seriously dude?
  • jowww97
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    omg... So, sorcs can't use overload and now we can't cc brake? what a wonderful patch!
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  • DKsUnite
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    Artjuh90 wrote: »
    haha useing an exploid to prove a point seriously dude?

    @Artjuh90 ummm exploit? what exploit?
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  • Artjuh90
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    leaping into a keep?
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    Artjuh90 wrote: »
    leaping into a keep?

    hahahahaha this is not a exploit.... it has been said it's a intended game mechanic to give variety... ambushing through doors is a exploit, leaping into keeps isnt
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  • sirrmattus
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    @DKsUnite

    that health regen thooo
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    sirrmattus wrote: »
    @DKsUnite

    that health regen thooo

    all 400 of it xD
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  • Artjuh90
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    DKsUnite wrote: »
    Artjuh90 wrote: »
    leaping into a keep?

    hahahahaha this is not a exploit.... it has been said it's a intended game mechanic to give variety... ambushing through doors is a exploit, leaping into keeps isnt

    uhm you achieve the same. and ther ehave been enough keeps taken over by a few DK's leaping to a alt of a friend/guildy and taking over a keep with just a few people
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    Artjuh90 wrote: »
    DKsUnite wrote: »
    Artjuh90 wrote: »
    leaping into a keep?

    hahahahaha this is not a exploit.... it has been said it's a intended game mechanic to give variety... ambushing through doors is a exploit, leaping into keeps isnt

    uhm you achieve the same. and ther ehave been enough keeps taken over by a few DK's leaping to a alt of a friend/guildy and taking over a keep with just a few people

    but i didn't do that? if they intended to stop it they would have months ago. It's intended as far as i am concerned

    moving on though coz this is off topic xD
    Edited by DKsUnite on January 25, 2016 9:46PM
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    Artjuh90 wrote: »
    DKsUnite wrote: »
    Artjuh90 wrote: »
    leaping into a keep?

    hahahahaha this is not a exploit.... it has been said it's a intended game mechanic to give variety... ambushing through doors is a exploit, leaping into keeps isnt

    uhm you achieve the same. and ther ehave been enough keeps taken over by a few DK's leaping to a alt of a friend/guildy and taking over a keep with just a few people

    Leaping or ambushing through the cracks in certain outpost doors with weird meshes is an exploit.

    I wouldn't consider what's depicted in the video to be an exploit - this has been a fairly common part of alliance war gameplay since pre-launch.
    Edited by IcyDeadPeople on January 25, 2016 9:48PM
  • Artjuh90
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    according to ZoS so is the CC breaking :trollface:
  • sirrmattus
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    DKsUnite wrote: »
    Artjuh90 wrote: »
    leaping into a keep?

    hahahahaha this is not a exploit.... it has been said it's a intended game mechanic to give variety... ambushing through doors is a exploit, leaping into keeps isnt

    ive tried leaping into keeps. doesnt work for me
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  • sirrmattus
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    Artjuh90 wrote: »
    DKsUnite wrote: »
    Artjuh90 wrote: »
    leaping into a keep?

    hahahahaha this is not a exploit.... it has been said it's a intended game mechanic to give variety... ambushing through doors is a exploit, leaping into keeps isnt

    uhm you achieve the same. and ther ehave been enough keeps taken over by a few DK's leaping to a alt of a friend/guildy and taking over a keep with just a few people

    Leaping or ambushing through the cracks in certain outpost doors with weird meshes is an exploit.

    I wouldn't consider what's depicted in the video to be an exploit - this has been a fairly common part of alliance war gameplay since pre-launch.

    he was already in the keep tho
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  • Xjcon
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    You don't get CC immunity unless you break free. It's simple as that.

    Most of the time you don't break free before the next CC, however in your fist clip you do break free of a stun only to get Wrecking Blow off the edge. So it's seems you only get CC immunity when you break hard CC.
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    Xjcon wrote: »
    You don't get CC immunity unless you break free. It's simple as that.

    Most of the time you don't break free before the next CC

    Yes, I've noticed this with Mass Hysteria, where enemies can get CC'd again if they don't break free before it ends. However, occasionally it doesn't allow you to break free, even when you have enough stamina and are pressing interrupt.
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    CC Immunity should be granted immediately after being feared. It shouldn't allow other hard CC to be applied, fear is already the biggest CC in the game due to its visuals and being unpredictable.

    If I was a dev, I'd put a cast time on fear (mass hysteria) to at least 1.1 second, same as Templar's dark flare.
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  • Xjcon
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    Xjcon wrote: »
    You don't get CC immunity unless you break free. It's simple as that.

    Most of the time you don't break free before the next CC

    Yes, I've noticed this with Mass Hysteria, where enemies can get CC'd again if they don't break free before it ends. However, occasionally it doesn't allow you to break free, even when you have enough stamina and are pressing interrupt.

    Very true. I've been on the receiving end of that many times. Just recently I jumped on the NB Train so I can capitalize on the FOTM.
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    Xjcon wrote: »
    You don't get CC immunity unless you break free. It's simple as that.

    Most of the time you don't break free before the next CC, however in your fist clip you do break free of a stun only to get Wrecking Blow off the edge. So it's seems you only get CC immunity when you break hard CC.

    That's wrong. You get immunity whenever the CC ends it's duration hence why it's so broken
    Edited by DKsUnite on January 25, 2016 11:12PM
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    DKsUnite wrote: »
    Xjcon wrote: »
    You don't get CC immunity unless you break free. It's simple as that.

    Most of the time you don't break free before the next CC, however in your fist clip you do break free of a stun only to get Wrecking Blow off the edge. So it's seems you only get CC immunity when you break hard CC.

    That's wrong. You get immunity whenever the CC ends it's duration hence why it's so broken

    Nah man he is right, you ONLY get CC immunity if you break free from something. You do NOT get an automatic immunity if you just eat the entire CC duration. This is noticeable when you break free by the swirling wind animation at your feet.

    BUT just as Xcon said in that first clip you do break free the animation is clearly seen then you get CCed by the wrecking blow after just breaking free, now THAT does warrent some dev attention
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    You have to break out of a CC to get immunity. There are issues when you can actually be CCed WHILE having immunity up. I notice this a lot as I run with immovable brute up constantly. If I had to hazzard a guess I would say it is probably caused by lag.

    The other common issue involving CC breaks is not actually being able to break out of it. For some reason the left mouse button will periodically stop working in ESO which prevents you from light / heavy attacking or CC breaking. The way I fix is by alt tabbing and clicking my desktop. Others have to physically log out of the game and reload it. Regardless, this bug almost always results in a death. Yesterday I got it 3 times in a row while fighting the same EP players. They cheesed me for 3 free kills.
  • DKsUnite
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    DKsUnite wrote: »
    Xjcon wrote: »
    You don't get CC immunity unless you break free. It's simple as that.

    Most of the time you don't break free before the next CC, however in your fist clip you do break free of a stun only to get Wrecking Blow off the edge. So it's seems you only get CC immunity when you break hard CC.

    That's wrong. You get immunity whenever the CC ends it's duration hence why it's so broken

    Nah man he is right, you ONLY get CC immunity if you break free from something. You do NOT get an automatic immunity if you just eat the entire CC duration. This is noticeable when you break free by the swirling wind animation at your feet.

    BUT just as Xcon said in that first clip you do break free the animation is clearly seen then you get CCed by the wrecking blow after just breaking free, now THAT does warrent some dev attention
    You have to break out of a CC to get immunity. There are issues when you can actually be CCed WHILE having immunity up. I notice this a lot as I run with immovable brute up constantly. If I had to hazzard a guess I would say it is probably caused by lag.

    The other common issue involving CC breaks is not actually being able to break out of it. For some reason the left mouse button will periodically stop working in ESO which prevents you from light / heavy attacking or CC breaking. The way I fix is by alt tabbing and clicking my desktop. Others have to physically log out of the game and reload it. Regardless, this bug almost always results in a death. Yesterday I got it 3 times in a row while fighting the same EP players. They cheesed me for 3 free kills.

    You are both wrong.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPbrbARofvI

    Watch as i dont break out of CCs and watch as i get immunity

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  • Minsc
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    As from patch notes v1.3.3 ''•Immunity granted by Break Free and the immunity given to you after you’re hit by a crowd control ability now provide immunity to all types of crowd control'' . This is well established knowledge.
    Therefore Vi Cor is obviously correct and his video proves again that CC related mechanisms are still bugged 2 years later
    Edited by Minsc on January 26, 2016 12:48AM
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    Your right Vi Cor I never knew they changed that in 1.3. I guess I never really noticed that change because I always break free almost instantly especially now that I have the unchained champion perk. Kudos Vi Cor I stand corrected
  • Decayed_Inside
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    Who cares when you get the cc immunity? In the video it shows him having it with swirls around his feet while getting CCed. It's broken.
  • Xeniph
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    Minsc wrote: »
    As from patch notes v1.3.3 ''•Immunity granted by Break Free and the immunity given to you after you’re hit by a crowd control ability now provide immunity to all types of crowd control'' . This is well established knowledge.
    Therefore Vi Cor is obviously correct and his video proves again that CC related mechanisms are still bugged 2 years later

    All 3 of them are only partially correct.

    They are Supposed to receive that immunity in both instances. However in practice this does not always happen, and hasn't for a long while. It's a crapshoot if you get immunity for eating a cc's duration on some abilities. Some are worse than others.

    Then there are a couple of abilities that, given the right timing will CC if it's registered in between the time you stand up and the "swirls" show up.

    Yes the system is broke, albeit not as bad as the OP's video makes it seem. For a long while now it's been a good idea to break free every chance you get, to minimize suffering from the poor server latency and code that is Cyrodiil.

    Personally I'm all for not getting any immunity unless you break free, as it promotes more dynamic gameplay, imo.
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  • DKsUnite
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    Xeniph wrote: »
    Minsc wrote: »
    As from patch notes v1.3.3 ''•Immunity granted by Break Free and the immunity given to you after you’re hit by a crowd control ability now provide immunity to all types of crowd control'' . This is well established knowledge.
    Therefore Vi Cor is obviously correct and his video proves again that CC related mechanisms are still bugged 2 years later

    Yes the system is broke, albeit not as bad as the OP's video makes it seem. For a long while now it's been a good idea to break free every chance you get, to minimize suffering from the poor server latency and code that is Cyrodiil.

    Personally I'm all for not getting any immunity unless you break free, as it promotes more dynamic gameplay, imo.

    what do you mean not as bad as i make it seem? most of these clips are from this week with a couple that i remembered fondly from ages ago. I cant make it seem bad if i deal with it on a daily basis. I have chosen not to break the CC, which means i should be entitled to the immunity just the same as someone who breaks it within 0.5 seconds. I choose to take 3/4 seconds of damage as opposed to using stamina to break the CC.
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