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Very Serious Question. Nightblade to Others,
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xXNesTXx✭✭✭SeventhCelestial wrote: »For those who really hate Nightblades, and say they are broken: Have you ever played one?
This isn't meant to be like an extra salty type of question. This is just what I want to know. A few of the people I know and hate NB's have never played one, but want to say we are broken as a class. Why?
Don't waste your time dude....haters, are haters....and stupid are stupid....Even I received hate messages from other NB for my hidden attacks....Edited by xXNesTXx on January 25, 2016 3:11PMEU PS4 Ebonheart Pact
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Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Playing a Nightblade is mostly boring because most of my time is spent fighting Noobblades that have Ambush, Surprise Attack and Soul Tether. At least fighting the overpowered Dragon Knights was less boring because I was actually fighting a different class.
Edited by Lava_Croft on January 25, 2016 3:10PM2 -
Amica✭✭✭PvP discussion is often competitive, and debate is welcome on the forums. But it's very important that such discussions not devolve into insults or other attacks. This makes for a hostile community, and inflammatory comments are against the forum rules
It's fine to disagree, or even take issue with, someone's opinions, but please keep to civil and constructive criticism. There's a lot of constructive discussion in this thread, but we have also removed a side discussion which became overly hostile. Let's please ensure the discussion stays on track.
Hey i "Disagree" and take "Issue" with your "Opinion" regarding "Constructive Criticism" about a "Discussion" that was only mildly "Hostile" :-)
Sorry i was bored, put the patch notes up already hehehehe.NB Shashu of DC
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Who needs regen when your target is already dead before she or he had a chance to react thanks to bad gameplay design and horribly latency? Stop fooling yourself, it's not doing the Nightblade class nor the game as a whole any good.
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✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »It would help the game a lot more if people would just be honest and admit that Nightblades now are the Dragon Knights of 2014. There's a reason all the tryhards and scrubs run Nightblades these days.
Only if they're played by decent skilled players.
Most NBs die so easily that I get the "kill 20 Enemy Nightblades" quest almost as fast as kill enemy players.
Nothing to do with how good or bad a nb player is...it's more that everybody and their mom plays a nightblade. So chances are that when you manage to get the jump on an enemy zerg, most of them are probably going to be nightblades.
How often do you get ganked by 4-8 templars, sorcs or dk's in stealth? Never... Getting ganked by 4-8 nightblades all at once in the most random of places? I feel like its starting to become an almost hourly occurrence.Edited by Akinos on January 26, 2016 12:12AMPC NA | @AkinosPvP 1vX/Small Scaler, Raid Leader, Youtuber and Twitch.tv Streamer.MAGICKA MELEE IS LIFE!Magplar, MagDK, Magden, Magblade, Magsorc & Magcro PvP/Build videos & moretwitch.tv/akinospvp4 -
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✭✭MADshadowmans_Ghost wrote: »Yep, played a lot of nightblade pvp. Magicka and stamina.
Stamina is broken. Hate stam nbs more than anything else.
Mine are all stamina NBs,and they sure arent broken.They rock in a fight.0 -
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✭✭I have two nightblades.
I dislike them even more since I´ve played them both in pve and pvp (stam and mag).
Cloak + Shade is undoubtly the strongest ability combination in the game. Also the only real counter to cloak is a NB specific skill (pots never were an issue when i´ve played mine).
Seriously?
Yes, seriously.
Here is the list of buffs that Cloak gives you:
1. Invisibility
2. Speed
3. Purge
4. Bonus damage from multiple sources
5. EDIT: bonus armor
What even comes close?
Wow! Whyever would you play a class that has all those bonuses and hate them? Heck,I'd keep playing them to win.If they however,were extremely squishy,like a Templar,I wouldnt want anything to do with them.0 -
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✭✭I have two nightblades.
I dislike them even more since I´ve played them both in pve and pvp (stam and mag).
Cloak + Shade is undoubtly the strongest ability combination in the game. Also the only real counter to cloak is a NB specific skill (pots never were an issue when i´ve played mine).
Seriously?
Yes, seriously.
Here is the list of buffs that Cloak gives you:
1. Invisibility
2. Speed
3. Purge
4. Bonus damage from multiple sources
5. EDIT: bonus armor
What even comes close?
Wow! Whyever would you play a class that has all those bonuses and hate them? Heck,I'd keep playing them to win.If they however,were extremely squishy,like a Templar,I wouldnt want anything to do with them.
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✭✭✭I have two nightblades.
I dislike them even more since I´ve played them both in pve and pvp (stam and mag).
Cloak + Shade is undoubtly the strongest ability combination in the game. Also the only real counter to cloak is a NB specific skill (pots never were an issue when i´ve played mine).
Seriously?
Yes, seriously.
Here is the list of buffs that Cloak gives you:
1. Invisibility
2. Speed
3. Purge
4. Bonus damage from multiple sources
5. EDIT: bonus armor
What even comes close?
the bonus armor from cloak lasts 4 seconds, the purge is only for DoTs, and is NOT a complete replacement for the actual purge ability. speed? if you use double take with it yes. bonus damage? yes, that is true. However, the cloak can be seen thru with magelight, which I have found many players use, as well as AoE attacks, it is one of the easiest abilities in the game to counter, I know because I have done so with both other classes and a nightblade. in my experience, many cloaked/stealthed NBs do not even expect to be detected (likely people hopping on the class because it is being called OP) and do nothing but run if someone detects them in stealth, so by detecting them, you already win 50% of the time against them.
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✭✭✭my main problem with nbs is just the fact they play like wimps there dmg is really good and there healing its really good yet they dont dare come out of stealth i dont get it
the class was designed to be stealthy, I dont mean to sound condescending, but are you really down talking NBs that play the way the class was meant to be played?2 -
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✭✭✭arcantonias wrote: »You have still never given any facts about another class to change my mind about nightblades having an advantage. I mean basically everyone else in this thread plays nightblades including myself and they all just say things like "its so easy its silly, ambush sa sa fear sa." I am only giving facts about how the class works and is designed so if you can do a better job or give any of the other classes justice by comparing them to nightblades I would suggest doing that, not just lumping me into the nerf callers and theorycrafting a bunch of stuff that has't happened yet. It seems to me that nightblades and sorcs are definitely going to get balanced and you just don't like it.
A sorcerer can put up a damage shield or combo of damage shields going up to 19-27K. That is a very powerful defense, and, because it is mana, they are able to still put out 10K+ attacks while having their 20K damage shield up which also makes them immune to critical hits, DoTs, and it even granted immunity to certain CCs before ZOS changed it. Templars of course have their heals, which can be used to great effect. DKs have reflective scales which allows them to overpower most of the ranged players in the game as long as they keep it up. the NB is not the only class with a strong combo/ability. and the ruffian passive? is that the DW passive? every class can use that.
If you want an end to cloak spam or 10K plus attacks, then instead of "balancing" X class(s) the extreme to which resource pools, resource pool regain, and weapon/spell damage can be brought needs to be looked at. Nerfing NBs and sorcerers is not going to get rid of 14K wrecking blows or 12K snipes and all the other attacks hitting for that much, the other two classes will still be doing it, and what then? nerf the DK and templar too? those two classes need BUFFS, not nerfs.2 -
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✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »I have two nightblades.
I dislike them even more since I´ve played them both in pve and pvp (stam and mag).
Cloak + Shade is undoubtly the strongest ability combination in the game. Also the only real counter to cloak is a NB specific skill (pots never were an issue when i´ve played mine).
Seriously?
Yes, seriously.
Here is the list of buffs that Cloak gives you:
1. Invisibility
2. Speed
3. Purge
4. Bonus damage from multiple sources
5. EDIT: bonus armor
What even comes close?
1. yes, for 2.9 seconds. And it can be countered. Invisibility potions last 15 seconds and you can get 40% speed with those potions extra
2. Not true. It does not give speed. Only if a magblade uses concealed weapon and that is a minor passive speedbuff and not a very fast speed. I think 25%. But cloak itself gives NO speed.
3. Yes, for up to 2 DOTS.
4. Maybe to much for an already brutal stamblade. But it's necessary for magblades
5. yes, thank god. A magblade with light armor needs it. It's much less armor then a sorc shield
Potions have a 45s cooldown, cloak has the default internal cooldown all skills do. NB's have 25% bonus movement speed from concealed weapon, but also 3 sources of the 40% speed buff, 165% move speed while invisible. Cloak purges up to 4 dots, i've seen many NB's who don't seem to have looked at the tooltips of their skills recently as it gains 1 dot purge per rank. As for the armor from using any shadow skill, shields provide 0 armor, just a barrier to take damage.
a 19-27K damage shield is far more effective than an increase in armor for 4 seconds. in fact any damage shield is more effective than a 4 second increase in armor that requires a shadow ability to be used and will not even be used for most of that time if cloak is the ability used.Edited by Cody on January 26, 2016 4:38PM2 -
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✭✭✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »It would help the game a lot more if people would just be honest and admit that Nightblades now are the Dragon Knights of 2014. There's a reason all the tryhards and scrubs run Nightblades these days.
Only if they're played by decent skilled players.
Most NBs die so easily that I get the "kill 20 Enemy Nightblades" quest almost as fast as kill enemy players.
Nothing to do with how good or bad a nb player is...it's more that everybody and their mom plays a nightblade. So chances are that when you manage to get the jump on an enemy zerg, most of them are probably going to be nightblades.
How often do you get ganked by 4-8 templars, sorcs or dk's in stealth? Never... Getting ganked by 4-8 nightblades all at once in the most random of places? I feel like its starting to become an almost hourly occurrence.
thats because the NB is designed to do so and the other three classes are not. Now, it is entirely possible to see groups of the other three classes ganking, I have seen plenty of sorcerers playing stealthy/gank roles. But the NB is more designed toward that role than the other three classes, hence why you see NBs doing it more.Edited by Cody on January 26, 2016 4:44PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭The problem is that while Nightblades might be designed to do the high damage bursting and sneaking about, they are also second to none in every other role. No other class even comes remotely close.
ZOS should take the design of the Nightblade class as a guideline to buff the other classes to the same level of versatility. Then we might get closer to the 'play as you want' mantra.2 -
Lava_Croft wrote: »The problem is that while Nightblades might be designed to do the high damage bursting and sneaking about, they are also second to none in every other role. No other class even comes remotely close.
ZOS should take the design of the Nightblade class as a guideline to buff the other classes to the same level of versatility. Then we might get closer to the 'play as you want' mantra.
Oo great idea like make just one class so there is competition makes sense you got my vote. Two thumbs upSmiff0 -
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✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »I have two nightblades.
I dislike them even more since I´ve played them both in pve and pvp (stam and mag).
Cloak + Shade is undoubtly the strongest ability combination in the game. Also the only real counter to cloak is a NB specific skill (pots never were an issue when i´ve played mine).
Seriously?
Yes, seriously.
Here is the list of buffs that Cloak gives you:
1. Invisibility
2. Speed
3. Purge
4. Bonus damage from multiple sources
5. EDIT: bonus armor
What even comes close?
1. yes, for 2.9 seconds. And it can be countered. Invisibility potions last 15 seconds and you can get 40% speed with those potions extra
2. Not true. It does not give speed. Only if a magblade uses concealed weapon and that is a minor passive speedbuff and not a very fast speed. I think 25%. But cloak itself gives NO speed.
3. Yes, for up to 2 DOTS.
4. Maybe to much for an already brutal stamblade. But it's necessary for magblades
5. yes, thank god. A magblade with light armor needs it. It's much less armor then a sorc shield
Potions have a 45s cooldown, cloak has the default internal cooldown all skills do. NB's have 25% bonus movement speed from concealed weapon, but also 3 sources of the 40% speed buff, 165% move speed while invisible. Cloak purges up to 4 dots, i've seen many NB's who don't seem to have looked at the tooltips of their skills recently as it gains 1 dot purge per rank. As for the armor from using any shadow skill, shields provide 0 armor, just a barrier to take damage.
a 19-27K damage shield is far more effective than an increase in armor for 4 seconds. in fact any damage shield is more effective than a 4 second increase in armor that requires a shadow ability to be used and will not even be used for most of that time if cloak is the ability used.
Because the shadow tree has nothing at all that's worth using, nothing that's worth using frequently and nothing that helps make surviving easy. We're comparing a passive (that comes packaged with a max health passive and individual skill utilities) to several skills on a class that is shoehorned into one build type.0 -
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✭Yes. Stamblades are incredibly stupid op.
I have a v3 stamblade that is destroying v16's left and right.
All you have to do is max out your dmg, get more than 50% crit, and have at least 1800 regen. Then slot ambush, surprise attack, and soul harvest. This rotation is incredibly easy to animation cancel.
Bottomline, stamblades = easymode.Edited by PainfulFAFA on January 26, 2016 9:03PM3 -
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✭Seriously though... With the stats, dmg and utility you can muster as a nb.... It's terrifying to think how any of you lose.Rhage Lionpride DC Stamina Templar
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xXNesTXx✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Who needs regen when your target is already dead before she or he had a chance to react thanks to bad gameplay design and horribly latency? Stop fooling yourself, it's not doing the Nightblade class nor the game as a whole any good.
If you can't react against a NB attack, is not problem of the bad gameplay or latency....is a serious L2P issue....
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mtwiggz✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »It would help the game a lot more if people would just be honest and admit that Nightblades now are the Dragon Knights of 2014. There's a reason all the tryhards and scrubs run Nightblades these days.
Have yet to see a NB run into a group of 24 enemies and wipe every single one of them with only 3 skills. Ever. "Dragon Knights of 2014" could do that with ease. You're exaggerating quite a bit.2 -
Lava_Croft wrote: »It would help the game a lot more if people would just be honest and admit that Nightblades now are the Dragon Knights of 2014. There's a reason all the tryhards and scrubs run Nightblades these days.
Have yet to see a NB run into a group of 24 enemies and wipe every single one of them with only 3 skills. Ever. "Dragon Knights of 2014" could do that with ease. You're exaggerating quite a bit.
Shield stacking sorcs come close.GamerTag- Mancandy McLong
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MormondPayne_EP✭✭✭✭arcantonias wrote: »thelordoffelines wrote: »I have two nightblades.
I dislike them even more since I´ve played them both in pve and pvp (stam and mag).
Cloak + Shade is undoubtly the strongest ability combination in the game. Also the only real counter to cloak is a NB specific skill (pots never were an issue when i´ve played mine).
Seriously?
Yes, seriously.
Here is the list of buffs that Cloak gives you:
1. Invisibility
2. Speed
3. Purge
4. Bonus damage from multiple sources
5. EDIT: bonus armor
What even comes close?
This sounds like a person who clearly never played as a Nightblade, or you want to distort facts to ruin a class.
What is he distorting? Does dark cloak not have the ability to provide all of those things?
It doesn't grant speed or purge or extra damage from multiple sources. It grants invisibility and one morph removes DoTs and the other guarantees a crit. Read the skill description. You guys exaggerate to help your argument, but it does the opposite because it just shows that you have an agenda. You can't just lump a bunch of combinations together and call it one skill. It's a combination of skills, not just one. So stop the BS.
if you are using concealed weapon and dark cloak it does indeed grant all 5 of those effects, every magblade pvp setup has these 2 skills. also slotting these 2 skills grants a 6% max health bonus and using dark cloak increases stun durations of skills like surprise attack by 100%. the only difference between that setup and basic stam setup is surprise attack doesnt grant you the movement speed. so dark cloak itself doesnt grant the movement speed bonus but it does do everything else including the max health bonus. most of us understand that these effects come from passives but 1 skill activating 7 passives including ones associated with other active skills is kinda over the top compared to every other class. you could even take it 1 step further adding passives like duel wield ruffian which benefit from the cloak-surprise attack stun increasing your damage by 15% or even just a duel wield heavy attack stun from stealth. From stealth surprise attack also sets enemies off balance, increasing your damage by 10% from the exploiter passive in the cp tree. these kinds of combos can be replicated by other classes, but only once then they are engaged in combat, nb can cloak and repeatedly receive these buffs everytime they engage with a target, even if they were already in combat. there is not another spammer in the game that even comes close to these kinds of benefits. not too mention it has been shown many times by well known streamers that can duel wield heavy attack-surprise attack and not be revealed until the surprise attack hits. same with ambush-surprise attack.
You need to reread your post. It's not cloak that does all of that. It's cloak along with concealed weapon and passives. So it's not just the one ability. Again, you're exaggerating and pinning it all on one ability when it's a combination of passives and other abilities. You can't just lump an entire build into one ability. That's exactly what all you nerf cloak people do. You take an entire build and misrepresent it as one ability.
Sounds like someone is scared that their over powered combo is being scrutinized...0 -
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How can you react if nb can stun you with unbreakable bugged stun from stealth and then proceed with two-three shot you? You need to get feeble magelight morph just to counter them spambush you which is stupid.If you can't react against a NB attack, is not problem of the bad gameplay or latency....is a serious L2P issue....Edited by Witar on January 27, 2016 7:28AMIt cannot be seen, cannot be felt,
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How can you react if nb can stun you with unbreakable bugged stun from stealth and then proceed with two-three shot you? You need to get feeble magelight morph just to counter them spambush you which is stupid.If you can't react against a NB attack, is not problem of the bad gameplay or latency....is a serious L2P issue....
You usually cannot react if your blindsided by a WB -> Dragon leap which more often than not will put you into execute range from well geared DK's.
Or if a player wolf's up, fears you and destroys you in less than 2 seconds from a few light attacks and 2 howls of agony.
Or if your a vamp and you get instagibbed from the still broken camo hunter from NB's and DK's. DK's funnily enough are better at that than NB's thanks to molten weapons but for some reason that get's overlooked.
If your caught off guard it doesn't matter if it's a NB or not. This kinda instant death was the type of thing ZOS was trying to prevent and they failed.0 -
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✭✭Yeah. Can confirm that since 1.7 stamina NB is just easy mode. Getting killed by Ambush, Surprise Attack is getting old.PC EU0 -
Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭MormondPayne_EP wrote: »arcantonias wrote: »thelordoffelines wrote: »I have two nightblades.
I dislike them even more since I´ve played them both in pve and pvp (stam and mag).
Cloak + Shade is undoubtly the strongest ability combination in the game. Also the only real counter to cloak is a NB specific skill (pots never were an issue when i´ve played mine).
Seriously?
Yes, seriously.
Here is the list of buffs that Cloak gives you:
1. Invisibility
2. Speed
3. Purge
4. Bonus damage from multiple sources
5. EDIT: bonus armor
What even comes close?
This sounds like a person who clearly never played as a Nightblade, or you want to distort facts to ruin a class.
What is he distorting? Does dark cloak not have the ability to provide all of those things?
It doesn't grant speed or purge or extra damage from multiple sources. It grants invisibility and one morph removes DoTs and the other guarantees a crit. Read the skill description. You guys exaggerate to help your argument, but it does the opposite because it just shows that you have an agenda. You can't just lump a bunch of combinations together and call it one skill. It's a combination of skills, not just one. So stop the BS.
if you are using concealed weapon and dark cloak it does indeed grant all 5 of those effects, every magblade pvp setup has these 2 skills. also slotting these 2 skills grants a 6% max health bonus and using dark cloak increases stun durations of skills like surprise attack by 100%. the only difference between that setup and basic stam setup is surprise attack doesnt grant you the movement speed. so dark cloak itself doesnt grant the movement speed bonus but it does do everything else including the max health bonus. most of us understand that these effects come from passives but 1 skill activating 7 passives including ones associated with other active skills is kinda over the top compared to every other class. you could even take it 1 step further adding passives like duel wield ruffian which benefit from the cloak-surprise attack stun increasing your damage by 15% or even just a duel wield heavy attack stun from stealth. From stealth surprise attack also sets enemies off balance, increasing your damage by 10% from the exploiter passive in the cp tree. these kinds of combos can be replicated by other classes, but only once then they are engaged in combat, nb can cloak and repeatedly receive these buffs everytime they engage with a target, even if they were already in combat. there is not another spammer in the game that even comes close to these kinds of benefits. not too mention it has been shown many times by well known streamers that can duel wield heavy attack-surprise attack and not be revealed until the surprise attack hits. same with ambush-surprise attack.
You need to reread your post. It's not cloak that does all of that. It's cloak along with concealed weapon and passives. So it's not just the one ability. Again, you're exaggerating and pinning it all on one ability when it's a combination of passives and other abilities. You can't just lump an entire build into one ability. That's exactly what all you nerf cloak people do. You take an entire build and misrepresent it as one ability.
Sounds like someone is scared that their over powered combo is being scrutinized...
No, I'm irritated that my character is probably going to be nerfed into the ground because of the nerf brigade. I guess another class will bite the dust. All hail magicka Sorcs and Stamina DKs!2 -
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An L2P issue is not recognizing the overpowered status of the Nightblade in it's current form, compared to every other class.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Who needs regen when your target is already dead before she or he had a chance to react thanks to bad gameplay design and horribly latency? Stop fooling yourself, it's not doing the Nightblade class nor the game as a whole any good.
If you can't react against a NB attack, is not problem of the bad gameplay or latency....is a serious L2P issue....
That's surely not related to the fact that the game has been moving in a zerg-or-die direction ever since release. Or to the fact that back in 2014 the PvE scrubs only knew how to use Impulse.Lava_Croft wrote: »It would help the game a lot more if people would just be honest and admit that Nightblades now are the Dragon Knights of 2014. There's a reason all the tryhards and scrubs run Nightblades these days.
Have yet to see a NB run into a group of 24 enemies and wipe every single one of them with only 3 skills. Ever. "Dragon Knights of 2014" could do that with ease. You're exaggerating quite a bit.
The comment was more about the number of Nightblades, just like the number of Dragon Knights back in 2014.
Edited by Lava_Croft on January 27, 2016 6:33PM2 -
KundaliniHero✭✭✭arcantonias wrote: »thelordoffelines wrote: »I have two nightblades.
I dislike them even more since I´ve played them both in pve and pvp (stam and mag).
Cloak + Shade is undoubtly the strongest ability combination in the game. Also the only real counter to cloak is a NB specific skill (pots never were an issue when i´ve played mine).
Seriously?
Yes, seriously.
Here is the list of buffs that Cloak gives you:
1. Invisibility
2. Speed
3. Purge
4. Bonus damage from multiple sources
5. EDIT: bonus armor
What even comes close?
This sounds like a person who clearly never played as a Nightblade, or you want to distort facts to ruin a class.
What is he distorting? Does dark cloak not have the ability to provide all of those things?
It doesn't grant speed or purge or extra damage from multiple sources. It grants invisibility and one morph removes DoTs and the other guarantees a crit. Read the skill description. You guys exaggerate to help your argument, but it does the opposite because it just shows that you have an agenda. You can't just lump a bunch of combinations together and call it one skill. It's a combination of skills, not just one. So stop the BS.
if you are using concealed weapon and dark cloak it does indeed grant all 5 of those effects, every magblade pvp setup has these 2 skills. also slotting these 2 skills grants a 6% max health bonus and using dark cloak increases stun durations of skills like surprise attack by 100%.
I dont use concealed weapon on my magblade in PVP nor do i use cloak all that much (only in a crunch). I do pretty well without itLava_Croft wrote: »
An L2P issue is not recognizing the overpowered status of the Nightblade in it's current form, compared to every other class.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Who needs regen when your target is already dead before she or he had a chance to react thanks to bad gameplay design and horribly latency? Stop fooling yourself, it's not doing the Nightblade class nor the game as a whole any good.
If you can't react against a NB attack, is not problem of the bad gameplay or latency....is a serious L2P issue....
That's surely not related to the fact that the game has been moving in a zerg-or-die direction ever since release. Or to the fact that back in 2014 the PvE scrubs only knew how to use Impulse.Lava_Croft wrote: »It would help the game a lot more if people would just be honest and admit that Nightblades now are the Dragon Knights of 2014. There's a reason all the tryhards and scrubs run Nightblades these days.
Have yet to see a NB run into a group of 24 enemies and wipe every single one of them with only 3 skills. Ever. "Dragon Knights of 2014" could do that with ease. You're exaggerating quite a bit.
The comment was more about the number of Nightblades, just like the number of Dragon Knights back in 2014.
I think if you played a Magika sorc you wouldnt think NB's were overpowered.1