magica deto?

Edziu · January 2016

for me it is so unbalansed

ok, stamina nb has very good burst with skills....but all magica builda are like exploiter with magica deto.....you damaging with normal skills with equal dps on enemy ons tmaina build, magica build slighty less damaging you but has magica deto akctivated...when you dealing maybe this 6-9k hit, magica build damagin uou for 5-7k + in this moment 5k-10k (20% magica dmg reuction from CP) from magica deto with so long aoe range and it can just finish you when hit with crit.....

stamina builds has good burst, good do magica also+ on magica in good time you can just 1 hit thaks magica deto anyone on 1vs1 also

owershit powered for 1vs1 + spamming zergs

nerf magica detonation or just nerf steel tornadoshit and give us not owerpowered stamina detonation to balance shitzergs

NoMoreChillies · January 2016

please proof read your posts

WillhelmBlack · January 2016

Pretty much agree, it's no fun getting hit 11k as I was last night. Damage reduction my arse. A guy whispered his ftc report on me. 37k in 1.5 sec with blazing shield and block up.

death_spirit · January 2016

Whit all due respect i think its a l2p issue

Mag det isnt op @ all

Its a long range aoe thats true but it hase a casting time of 4 sec after that its another 4 sec before its explode
Just block if you see the mag det animation and it hits as a wet noodel

WillhelmBlack · January 2016

death_spirit wrote: »

Whit all due respect i think its a l2p issue

Mag det isnt op @ all

Its a long range aoe thats true but it hase a casting time of 4 sec after that its another 4 sec before its explode
Just block if you see the mag det animation and it hits as a wet noodel

Agree Magicka det is not that bad. It's the proxy det morph that's lethal. Mag NB from stealth, insane damage! I'd rather have it out the game full stop. I remember it on PTS, it still is ridiculous.

Edziu · January 2016

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

please proof read your posts

huge dmg from deto finish when other skill has been spammed

and here deto just on start while also spamming other skill, se hu without ulti just used 2 skills in 1 sec when normal player without deto cant use more then 1 skill per second

this thing is just in this moment...when you use skills and in this same time magica deto dealing huge bonus damage to your normal skill spamming

these fights has lenght maybe 2 seconds lol

Heindrich · January 2016

No offense, but this is a L2P issue.

Proxy det comes with a long charge up period, during which there is a visible red circle around the caster. You can easily avoid it or just block, which mitigates loads of the damage. It needs to be timed very well and/or combo'd with other skills to be effective.

That screencap is one of the best Magicka NBs in EU who has mastered that particular playstyle, of course he will wreck inferior players most of the time and ofc a well coordinated and experienced bomb squad should be able to wreck a larger disorganised group.

Frankly Proxy det is much easier to counter than Steel Tornado spin-to-win.

Edziu · January 2016

ehh so ok, but still I want to just nerf some steel tornado because this is much annyoing than all other aoe's.
but also this l2p is for templars, dk. the best isn's only this nb, as i saw when i duealing (I'm stamina nb) i have fery low chance to win againt stamina dk whent withs all others classes its easy for me, maybe some exp and fighting with noobs.
to poeople to crying about nerf nb because is op: l2p lol, all classes can be the best in pvp, just need learn how to play on this build, class etc lol.

here nerfs are not needed more, just maybe some buffs/fixes and more l2p pug noobs

AJ_1988 · January 2016

11k that all?? I've been hit by one doing nearly double that. I've had dark flare hit me for more.

Lucky28 · January 2016

Yeah, this is an l2p issue. Det is obvious and probably the easiest skill in the game to avoid getting hit by.

Edziu · January 2016

Lucky28 wrote: »

Yeah, this is an l2p issue. Det is obvious and probably the easiest skill in the game to avoid getting hit by.

i think this isnt very easy to avoit id if you are on melee or caster is on melee and pamming gap closer on you always when you are out from range ;P

eliisra · January 2016

Edziu wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Yeah, this is an l2p issue. Det is obvious and probably the easiest skill in the game to avoid getting hit by.

i think this isnt very easy to avoit id if you are on melee or caster is on melee and pamming gap closer on you always when you are out from range ;P

Sure, if a NB is invisible and gap closes you from cloak or stealth a second before Proxi blows up, than it's tricky to avoid.

But watching these death recaps that wasn't the case, they where spamming Sap Essence before the Proxi exploded, so you had time to roll out of red. I doesn't matter if you're a mele build, standing in Sap, Devouring Swarm and Proxi is a bad idea lol.

NB gets bonus dmg when attacking from stealth or invisible. Devouring Swarm counts as being invisible, buffing their Proxi explosion. NB's have the highest crit modifiers in the game. Also runs 100+ Thaumaturge for max magic dmg, while other classes might need to split some Mage points into Blessed(templar) or Elemental Expert(sorc + DK). Just pointing it out, the nastiest Proxi boom will be from a magblade, so from stay the hell out when it blows up.

Manoekin · January 2016

Wait for the next patch OP.

Edziu · January 2016

eliisra wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Yeah, this is an l2p issue. Det is obvious and probably the easiest skill in the game to avoid getting hit by.

i think this isnt very easy to avoit id if you are on melee or caster is on melee and pamming gap closer on you always when you are out from range ;P

Sure, if a NB is invisible and gap closes you from cloak or stealth a second before Proxi blows up, than it's tricky to avoid.

But watching these death recaps that wasn't the case, they where spamming Sap Essence before the Proxi exploded, so you had time to roll out of red. I doesn't matter if you're a mele build, standing in Sap, Devouring Swarm and Proxi is a bad idea lol.

NB gets bonus dmg when attacking from stealth or invisible. Devouring Swarm counts as being invisible, buffing their Proxi explosion. NB's have the highest crit modifiers in the game. Also runs 100+ Thaumaturge for max magic dmg, while other classes might need to split some Mage points into Blessed(templar) or Elemental Expert(sorc + DK). Just pointing it out, the nastiest Proxi boom will be from a magblade, so from stay the hell out when it blows up.

so nerf the f... NB!!!!

oh wait, I playing always nb from beta xD (stamina)

DannyLV702 · January 2016

You can put 100 CPs into hardy. I can't do the same against physical attacks.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

You can also block the dmg, bash/interrupt inevitable det.

If you know there setting up a burst save your cc to cc them before it goes off then block so they can't cc you.

Immovability pots are also useful.

Edziu · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

You can also block the dmg, bash/interrupt inevitable det.

If you know there setting up a burst save your cc to cc them before it goes off then block so they can't cc you.

Immovability pots are also useful.

for what immovable? magica deto dont stun etc, just doing explosion, its also no casting, this is insta skill only with cooldonw do *BOOM* lol

and i cant burst if he is with shields nonstop, magica/tank build, so also have good amg and perm block with some breaks on magic dps to restore stamina in this time to again blocking, as I fighting templars are the worst with this, they only sapm BOL with block waiting to *BOOM* and only sometimes *jab* *jab*

idk what is this build, but I also feared him few time and he has nonstop stamina block and break fre....how??

and thanks this dont tell me templars need buff because they are slack in balance xD l2p for templars :P

xAPxZeez · January 2016

The magicka nb is really op atm. That det+swarm combined with gap closer and spamming sap essence is a very lethal combo. It kills groups of people in no time especially when 2+ people are doing it together. I can't wait for the nerfs to happen.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

You can also block the dmg, bash/interrupt inevitable det.

If you know there setting up a burst save your cc to cc them before it goes off then block so they can't cc you.

Immovability pots are also useful.

for what immovable? magica deto dont stun etc, just doing explosion, its also no casting, this is insta skill only with cooldonw do *BOOM* lol

and i cant burst if he is with shields nonstop, magica/tank build, so also have good amg and perm block with some breaks on magic dps to restore stamina in this time to again blocking, as I fighting templars are the worst with this, they only sapm BOL with block waiting to *BOOM* and only sometimes *jab* *jab*

idk what is this build, but I also feared him few time and he has nonstop stamina block and break fre....how??

and thanks this dont tell me templars need buff because they are slack in balance xD l2p for templars :P

Sry i'm having trouble understanding you.

Imov pots are so he doesn't fear you just when det is about to go off, that way you can hold block and make the det deal about 2-3k dmg.

I know it can be hard to attempt to guess when det is going to go off but usually they'll sap essence 1/2 times before ult+det, so pop imov pots then.

What build are you exactly? I have a magicka templar myself and dark flare can keep them out of stealth. Magicka nb's will take a few jabs but jabs can also keep them out of stealth and really puts the pressure on, a few jabs + dawnbreaker of smiting will usually kill a vamp magicka nb if not just radiant them to finish.

The only shield a magicka nb usually has is healing ward some run with harness as well but harness is a universal skill and most magicka builds run it, it's very useful, i also run it.

For fighting magicka templars you need to put major defile on them to reduce their healing, they don't have unlimited stamina so they can't block forever just try and pressure them with some high burst moves if you have ones that go through block even better.

Wreuntzylla · January 2016

Edziu wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

please proof read your posts

huge dmg from deto finish when other skill has been spammed

and here deto just on start while also spamming other skill, se hu without ulti just used 2 skills in 1 sec when normal player without deto cant use more then 1 skill per second

this thing is just in this moment...when you use skills and in this same time magica deto dealing huge bonus damage to your normal skill spamming

these fights has lenght maybe 2 seconds lol

And you are a V16 with capped CP? What the heck are you spending your points on?

Only a crit build is going to hit you that hard as you can push crit from 50% damage to 100%. You want impenetrable traits on at least minor pieces and 50+ points into resistant. Then dump points into hardy.

aLi3nZ · January 2016

I heard Magika detonation is going to be nerfed. Can anyone help providing more details regarding this nerf? I am looking forward to getting it unlocked as I believe I can make a string burst build with it. I Just hit rank 6 assault and it's gonna be a long time until rank 7 with all the cyrodil lag.

Edziu · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sry i'm having trouble understanding you.

Imov pots are so he doesn't fear you just when det is about to go off, that way you can hold block and make the det deal about 2-3k dmg.

I know it can be hard to attempt to guess when det is going to go off but usually they'll sap essence 1/2 times before ult+det, so pop imov pots then.

What build are you exactly? I have a magicka templar myself and dark flare can keep them out of stealth. Magicka nb's will take a few jabs but jabs can also keep them out of stealth and really puts the pressure on, a few jabs + dawnbreaker of smiting will usually kill a vamp magicka nb if not just radiant them to finish.

The only shield a magicka nb usually has is healing ward some run with harness as well but harness is a universal skill and most magicka builds run it, it's very useful, i also run it.

For fighting magicka templars you need to put major defile on them to reduce their healing, they don't have unlimited stamina so they can't block forever just try and pressure them with some high burst moves if you have ones that go through block even better.

I'm on dual burst with 2h buff/utility bar at this moment when die and sometimes with 1h&shield also for burst with survive and 2h buff bar
with normal fights i have some survive, but this spamming aoe + ulti from wamp, cant enter to shadow, because he spamming aoe + snaring me, cant heal it also with vigor/rally, he has been invisible with ulti, to fast, no time to react like stamina gangers, but stamina gangers are on single target to this burst, this guy has been on aoe with higher burst than stamina single target....

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

And you are a V16 with capped CP? What the heck are you spending your points on?

Only a crit build is going to hit you that hard as you can push crit from 50% damage to 100%. You want impenetrable traits on at least minor pieces and 50+ points into resistant. Then dump points into hardy.

I have 10% to reduction crit hits and 20% magic dmg, idk how he dealt this huge dmg on me with these CP

I'm also on crit build but stamina ons single taget ( no shitnado :P I hate this) with items for full dps from pve

but it doesnt much matter when i has this 10% reduce crit hits + all magice dmg reduce for 20% so in all this crit hit
wast to be reduced by 30% dmg

Jhunn · January 2016

Magicka deto is the only thing that makes magicka builds (except sorc) a tiny bit on pair with stamina builds. Sad it is getting nerfed.

xellink · January 2016

Here's a trick. If you play long enough/tune up the volume enough. U will hear a characteristic swivelling sound as though a helicopter is going to crash into you. Remember it. Make it an instinct to block once u hear it! You will never ever get killed by prox det again.

Thank me later.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

Edziu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sry i'm having trouble understanding you.

Imov pots are so he doesn't fear you just when det is about to go off, that way you can hold block and make the det deal about 2-3k dmg.

I know it can be hard to attempt to guess when det is going to go off but usually they'll sap essence 1/2 times before ult+det, so pop imov pots then.

What build are you exactly? I have a magicka templar myself and dark flare can keep them out of stealth. Magicka nb's will take a few jabs but jabs can also keep them out of stealth and really puts the pressure on, a few jabs + dawnbreaker of smiting will usually kill a vamp magicka nb if not just radiant them to finish.

The only shield a magicka nb usually has is healing ward some run with harness as well but harness is a universal skill and most magicka builds run it, it's very useful, i also run it.

For fighting magicka templars you need to put major defile on them to reduce their healing, they don't have unlimited stamina so they can't block forever just try and pressure them with some high burst moves if you have ones that go through block even better.

I'm on dual burst with 2h buff/utility bar at this moment when die and sometimes with 1h&shield also for burst with survive and 2h buff bar
with normal fights i have some survive, but this spamming aoe + ulti from wamp, cant enter to shadow, because he spamming aoe + snaring me, cant heal it also with vigor/rally, he has been invisible with ulti, to fast, no time to react like stamina gangers, but stamina gangers are on single target to this burst, this guy has been on aoe with higher burst than stamina single target....

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

And you are a V16 with capped CP? What the heck are you spending your points on?

Only a crit build is going to hit you that hard as you can push crit from 50% damage to 100%. You want impenetrable traits on at least minor pieces and 50+ points into resistant. Then dump points into hardy.

I have 10% to reduction crit hits and 20% magic dmg, idk how he dealt this huge dmg on me with these CP

I'm also on crit build but stamina ons single taget ( no shitnado :P I hate this) with items for full dps from pve but it doesnt much matter when i has this 10% reduce crit hits + all magice dmg reduce for 20% so in all this crit hit
wast to be reduced by 30% dmg

He's likely got high crit chance + crit dmg himself, 18% from shadow + however much he has in cp likely 10%-25% or something.

So his crit dmg modifier would be 68% +10%-25% so i'm guessing 78%-93% but i doubt he's actually near the cap for it.

Have you got no impen gear on at all? Thats likely why.

If his magicka det has a tooltip of around 14k - If it crits with the modifier it would be around 25k~ , Half that for pvp and thats 12.5k~

Impen makes such a difference ^^

Edziu · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

He's likely got high crit chance + crit dmg himself, 18% from shadow + however much he has in cp likely 10%-25% or something.

So his crit dmg modifier would be 68% +10%-25% so i'm guessing 78%-93% but i doubt he's actually near the cap for it.

Have you got no impen gear on at all? Thats likely why.

If his magicka det has a tooltip of around 14k - If it crits with the modifier it would be around 25k~ , Half that for pvp and thats 12.5k~

Impen makes such a difference ^^

i also have this shadow with all divines and some from CP, my crit modifier also is so high

to normall good player on pvp i dealing aroud 7-9k crit surprise att :P

on this deto + spa spam can e see, sap dealing me aournd only 4k with cir, so he can dealing me maybe 6-7k with crit from conceled weapon
nah this deto...just give me any skill also small aoe to 5m range like melee, dealing 2x less dmg than magica deto and thanks single target skills i also can just nuke peoples in 1 sec, wait moment after activation and then hit ambush, surprise att+ this boom skill and then will be kill without finishing,
ambush 6k+->light att 2-3k, surprise att 8k+- + boom with surprise additional 5k > just kill or only 1 bonus surprise att to this kill
it will be 2 - max 3 sec fight

Edziu · January 2016

10% crit reduction, 22% magic dmg reduction as you can see from sap essence, and 1st hit dont be from stealth on me, good *** is deto with vampire, maybe just make deto for ulti with also 25 cost only, on stamina without hide you cant do any high like this burst -.-
on stamina you can only single target burst with so high dmg....you can fast kill 1 person when you are solo, on wampire you can solo wipe small group, very great balance between stamina and magica....

stamina good burst on single target with magica with good build similiary, when on stamina also with steel tornado j=you cant have like with hight burst for only 1 sec like this on screen and only with magica you can wipe small group in only 1 sec

PS: I newer saw stamina based guy who killed solo with aoe more than 2+ people in group, but I see every day when magica build killing with aoe few guys in this same second in maybe 1-2 sec combat...not only this 1 guy

SneaK · January 2016

Edziu wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

please proof read your posts

huge dmg from deto finish when other skill has been spammed

and here deto just on start while also spamming other skill, se hu without ulti just used 2 skills in 1 sec when normal player without deto cant use more then 1 skill per second

this thing is just in this moment...when you use skills and in this same time magica deto dealing huge bonus damage to your normal skill spamming

these fights has lenght maybe 2 seconds lol

Ulti's combined with two other skills, sorry, but that's a combo, not a showcase of one skill killing you.

So tired of these tears, if Prox is nerfed cause of them RIP melee Magblades.

mr_wazzabi · January 2016

SneaK wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

please proof read your posts

huge dmg from deto finish when other skill has been spammed

and here deto just on start while also spamming other skill, se hu without ulti just used 2 skills in 1 sec when normal player without deto cant use more then 1 skill per second

this thing is just in this moment...when you use skills and in this same time magica deto dealing huge bonus damage to your normal skill spamming

these fights has lenght maybe 2 seconds lol

Ulti's combined with two other skills, sorry, but that's a combo, not a showcase of one skill killing you.

So tired of these tears, if Prox is nerfed cause of them RIP melee Magblades.

Prox is already getting nerfed in Thieves guild. It will do more zerg damage but less single target.

SneaK · January 2016

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

please proof read your posts

huge dmg from deto finish when other skill has been spammed

and here deto just on start while also spamming other skill, se hu without ulti just used 2 skills in 1 sec when normal player without deto cant use more then 1 skill per second

this thing is just in this moment...when you use skills and in this same time magica deto dealing huge bonus damage to your normal skill spamming

these fights has lenght maybe 2 seconds lol

Ulti's combined with two other skills, sorry, but that's a combo, not a showcase of one skill killing you.

So tired of these tears, if Prox is nerfed cause of them RIP melee Magblades.

Prox is already getting nerfed in Thieves guild. It will do more zerg damage but less single target.

Yep, cause of terrible posts like this.

Edziu · January 2016

SneaK wrote: »

Ulti's combined with two other skills, sorry, but that's a combo, not a showcase of one skill killing you.

So tired of these tears, if Prox is nerfed cause of them RIP melee Magblades.

ulti but deto do higher amount of damage, so only magica vampires are to good balanced, or vamp or det, if its vamp with deto you dont have any chance without being magica build with dawnbreaker of smiting

SneaK wrote: »

Yep, cause of terrible posts like this.

and no only cause these posts, just thanks (maybe only...maybe) these vampire lethal comobs in 1 to max 2 sec of combat....

and hmm, also thanks high burst builds on pvp for nb, like me, without very good surveve (what people do not pay attention -.-) noobs want to nerf SA what cant be done because when SA will be nerfet then eh...nb stamina dps pve big nerf + 95% of stamina build on pvp will spam wreck blow what is worse thans SA to dodge, block etc