Having been on Azuras for 24 hours straight this weekend, can confirm all 3 factions zerg. Just at different points of the clock.

I have to admit though, AD are the biggest and most consistent culprits. I am licensed zerger, but some stuff this weekend was just plain embarrassing.

Only reason the Rage group rolled along with a ridiculously sized yellow swarm is because we were consistently tagging 60-80 enemies with our group of 18, and Mano eventually started pug wrangling to take stuff back.

Draxys wrote: »

Only reason the Rage group rolled along with a ridiculously sized yellow swarm is because we were consistently tagging 60-80 enemies with our group of 18, and Mano eventually started pug wrangling to take stuff back.

I never even got a full raid today. CN had *15* when you stacked 3 raids at Nickel and Ash. You ran multiple guilds all the way up into Glade, Warden and Rayles when you *knew* you were just fighting me, with whatever I had left.

Such.

Freaking.

***.

If I hadn't ruined you repeatedly at the scroll you would have taken that too.

I can own the things I do. I run a full raid, I'll run barriers rotations and BoL spam and whatever FoTM *** helps me win. The *** you pulled tonight was stupid, I legit thought Mano was better than that.

@Satiar

Look man, idk if you are drunk or something. But claiming you were the only one around for those fights is just plain silly and a flat out lie. The entire night we were tagging 65-80 people every single wipe.

VE was stacking with raids on raids last night as well. 70+ to take Roe, and Fare, not to mention what happened at Alessia. Couple that with how that whole blue train started last night (saturday) when we smashed people back to rayles, w/o stacking. Another 60+ tag at glade, which you guys surfed all the way down. I joked with my friends in your group, both agreeing it was ridiculous, but such is life with zose.

I like you man, I really do. But then you start throwing blame around, saying you thought better of me, and now Mano. I could say the same *** about you and VE, but we rarely get to personal insults unless someone starts shooting first. I screenshot and record most of the ridiculous wipes or tags that I can on an external, happy to share those from the past 2 nights. We have players talking to your officers saying how their are 2+ raids of harlocke, you, and CN all moving together down from nikel.

Take off the zerg goggles, because LUI doesn't lie. And you guys run along side large groups to "take objectives" as often as anyone else. Let not be hypocritical here and say otherwise. I have very little skin left in this game, and I prefer a organized 12v12 over anything at this point. I prefer not to play the numbers game, but it happens with everyone, so lets not blow anything out of proportion here.

As for the scroll, it was more of an AP farm than anything. And I very highly profitable one until lead called to move elsewhere.

Anyways, I am not going to try and debate this any further with anyone, it goes no where. Tonight was full blown zerging, on both sides, and its been this way all weekend honestly. Again, I think you are a great guy and things just get tense when it gets like that I suppose.

WRX wrote: »

@Satiar

Look man, idk if you are drunk or something. But claiming you were the only one around for those fights is just plain silly and a flat out lie. The entire night we were tagging 65-80 people every single wipe.

VE was stacking with raids on raids last night as well. 70+ to take Roe, and Fare, not to mention what happened at Alessia. Couple that with how that whole blue train started last night (saturday) when we smashed people back to rayles, w/o stacking. Another 60+ tag at glade, which you guys surfed all the way down. I joked with my friends in your group, both agreeing it was ridiculous, but such is life with zose.

I like you man, I really do. But then you start throwing blame around, saying you thought better of me, and now Mano. I could say the same *** about you and VE, but we rarely get to personal insults unless someone starts shooting first. I screenshot and record most of the ridiculous wipes or tags that I can on an external, happy to share those from the past 2 nights. We have players talking to your officers saying how their are 2+ raids of harlocke, you, and CN all moving together down from nikel.

Take off the zerg goggles, because LUI doesn't lie. And you guys run along side large groups to "take objectives" as often as anyone else. Let not be hypocritical here and say otherwise. I have very little skin left in this game, and I prefer a organized 12v12 over anything at this point. I prefer not to play the numbers game, but it happens with everyone, so lets not blow anything out of proportion here.

As for the scroll, it was more of an AP farm than anything. And I very highly profitable one until lead called to move elsewhere.

Anyways, I am not going to try and debate this any further with anyone, it goes no where. Tonight was full blown zerging, on both sides, and its been this way all weekend honestly. Again, I think you are a great guy and things just get tense when it gets like that I suppose.

WRX, you're either the biggest b*llshitter on these forums or you actually believe what you just wrote and you're out of your *** mind. I've never stacked like you did, not even with other guilds and certainly not to push a map like that. It was a freaking abomination, at a certain point I was just curious how long you'd keep it rolling. When you're still moving 60 deep at trikeeps, crashing onto flags against 15 DC, you gotta start wondering what the hell you're even doing.

What you did wasn't even guild coordination. You just stacked the AD server on your crown and moved around in a giant mass.... why? To prove what? You guys love to play the holier than thou card, claiming you're outnumbered by "3 raids of CN and VE" when you're rolling 50-60 deep WITH AN EMP against 20-30 DC and than using that as a justification for killing the gameplay the next day? You guys were complaining about us stacking with CN yesterday when we were ON OUR OWN and CN WASN'T EVEN RUNNING. We were the only guild that turned up to the Alessia dethrone and i STILL got whispers from Rage today about how we stacked with CN and HM to take it. You guys are straight out delusional on numbers, which is why you will never have a video of us doing what you did tonight.

You're full of it. Eff off. No better than TKO. At least they can admit what they're doing.

EDIT: No, I'm not drunk. Takes a decent amount to *** me off, especially in a game. Mano trying to take moral high ground while burning the server down with bodies was something I never expected I'd see. What a joke. Full blown zerging,so THAT'S what I was doing with 15 people when you stacked 50 on the flags at Rayles.

WRX wrote: »

The entire night we were tagging 65-80 people every single wipe.

Really curious, every wipe??? Even the scroll wipes where you brought 2 raids, rallying both raids at the bridge before pushing the scroll temple each time? Those wipes?

Cuz we were the only raid there defending, w/ 22 in group. Yes there were some blue pugs, but definitely not as many pugs as the number we had in group for damn sure. How does that become 65-80? I am #1 potato sorc, but even I don't have magic like that.

So...you all do this every day on Azura's because.......? So you can have something to talk about on here? If it's that bad and causes that much agony the thing to do is go elsewhere. It just ain't worth it.

And for the record AD has always been big on blobs. If I had a nickel for every time my friends and I got run over by massive yellow swarms since beta I would own this game...well maybe not. There are better things to invest in.

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

The entire night we were tagging 65-80 people every single wipe.

Really curious, every wipe??? Even the scroll wipes where you brought 2 raids, rallying both raids at the bridge before pushing the scroll temple each time? Those wipes?

Cuz we were the only raid there defending, w/ 22 in group. Yes there were some blue pugs, but definitely not as many pugs as the number we had in group for damn sure. How does that become 65-80? I am #1 potato sorc, but even I don't have magic like that.

I thought @Satiar said 15 in group.... not picking, just curious.... numbers have a way of warping in minds!

Also, @Manoekin logged after the first Ash capture..... if you must blame someone, blame me for the stacked raids. When the Rage group of 18 tagged more than double our number, I switched and took crown in M12. I take full responsibility for the second raid that pushed Ash.

There you go, some honesty.... now anyone from blue want to talk about how many you actually had at Ash? I'm fairly certain there aren't that many NPCs at that gate....


P.S. That scroll was brutal. Good Job!

Like every raid, number in group varies over time. At the scroll fights I was talking about, we had 22 in group, as you can see here.

Earlier in the night, such as the Ash fight, we had 16 in group as you can see here.

The scroll fights were intense, you guys actually almost had the scroll given to you on your first push cuz Steve was being a potato and pushing towards the scroll gate along the middle road. You guys pushed up the east road to the temple going right by him and no one would have known, except I stayed by the scroll temple to kill Heisenburg so I called you out.

Minno wrote: »

Might I add that, despite the bug, it makes perfect real world sense to have a crowded group of people fall and eventually die when they get hit by a giant ball while trying to walk up 3 story flight of stairs.

True, but when you chastised an entire guild for doing something that you then do the same....well pot meet kettle.

Which was more the point of this, and less the zerging. Everyone zergs, for anyone to say they NEVER stacked or zerged, well that's a lie. You might not intentionally do it, but you've all done it. There is no moral high ground to take.

Teargrants wrote: »

That situation actually depicts every attacking group in the game. Blue, Red, Yellow, we've all done it and continue to do it. It's the calculations being done by the server that's lagging things out. When a Hemmorage buff has to look at 2700M to apply a buff to the same alliance players it's going to lag out. That's just one spell that @ZOS_BrianWheeler has identified with an issue. Hopefully with the Thieves Guild there won't be a player buff applied over a span larger than 100M other than the Campaign buffs. No player spell/attack buff should ever look farther than 100m....

Arashiha wrote: »

One of the reasons we have started using meteor is because of the initial burst a hail of them does when dropped on an opposing group. It increases our bomb potential quite substantially, although it has the affect of also making us inherently squishier targets due to the loss of some of our more damage mitigation ultimates. How ever as we and everyone else know's that when a meteor is used on someone on stairs the game is stupid and gives said people that are unfortunate enough to be knocked up to take any where from 40-120k fall damage. Regardless of your build this normally is a rather conclusive one shot.

Now VE does not intentionally use meteor on people on stairs to proc such fall damage, but that does not stop it happening once or twice with someone who runs up the stairs carrying a meteor when the back line of there group is getting bombed or what not. If we were to intentionally bomb another group on the stairs it would be alot more devastating than the one or two people you loses every so often to fall damage. It happens to us all, and its rarely if ever done on purpose with the intention of causing falldamage. It is done because it allows a rather substantial initial burst bomb.

As far as the zerging goes, meh we all do it. And DC was just on the receiving end of it tonight, like we are every other night, just as yellow will be at some point and then red. Although the late night zerging from yellow atleast for me was lots of fun, since it meant that on our day off VE not only had a raid running, but a raid running until almost 9pm my time (i am aussie so ya.)

Where was this logic when we were being yelled at for the very same?