Acrolas wrote: »

We need an unlimited ignore list with at least a few quarterly Phase Out Player allowances for the real *** out there.

Because you shouldn't have to play an old Argonian woman to get people to leave you alone.

Troneon wrote: »

Zone out, wait a few minutes, zone back in...

They will get bored...

Ignore and block.

Get a thicker skin? This is the internet?

I don't condone this at all but honestly if the big bad wolf stranger on a game is bothering you, don't let it?

But that's why things continue. Just ignoring it means they can go on to harass someone else. It doesn't solve the issue.

CrowsDescend wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I have to agree with Troneon.

I've played plenty of female characters on mmos like this and WoW, and I have been followed/stalked and harassed in similar ways too but when you completely ignore the person, and I'm talking about acting as if they don't exist, then they actually do get bored and move on.

If you respond to them in any way, or stop to even acknowledge their presence (with your character ofc) then it only fuels the situation.

Troneon wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

Zone out, wait a few minutes, zone back in...

They will get bored...

Ignore and block.

Get a thicker skin? This is the internet?

I don't condone this at all but honestly if the big bad wolf stranger on a game is bothering you, don't let it?

Believe me, I can - and have - walked away. But seriously, if I have one final freakin quest to finish in a zone and I can't finish that quest because someone is literally screwing up my game - not just tossing out comments, but interfering with gameplay - then I need to log off and start the quest zone again??? And if I don't then I'm letting them bother me?

No. Wrong. Their conduct is interfering with gameplay. To be clear: I'm not talking about comments or even just gestures; this individual was literally preventing me from proceeding with the quest.

Sorry, @Troneon, my skin is thick enough.

How is it stopping your progression in your quest? I don't see how?

If it is, then that is griefing/harassment and should be bannable.

But give specifics, because I am having a hard time thinking of a single quest where anyone can stop you? Unless you let them.

They can kill all the mobs before you can because they're way over-leveled for the zone?

Is that clear enough for you?

Iv had people try that with me a long time ago when I was leveling, I just ran faster and spammed aoe everywhere and they failed at it....

I agree with you don't get me wrong, I just don't believe in waiting for ZOS to magically do something, they won't...or it will be in forever neverland....I believe in solving things myself and working around it.

And I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I'm saying that:

(1) I ignored the person. Completely. Until they started interfering with my game by making it impossible/very difficult to proceed with my quest.

(2) I tried to resolve the issue by asking what was going on. Maybe a mistake but by then I really couldn't play because they were sorcerer spamming AoE and they could literally one shot groups of mobs.

(3) The situation didn't improve from there.

I'm not saying your advice is invalid. Maybe I should have logged off (and eventually that's what I did). But it's incredibly frustrating to have to do so.

That's it.

If they're killing your quest mobs to grief you then that's sure frustrating. The thing is though, it comes down to the individual's perception, you see.. I always leave Karma / Natural Law to deal with such people. It's satisfying.

Awesome. Now tell me how I can call down Karma to blast that idiot into the next universe?

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I have to agree with Troneon.

I've played plenty of female characters on mmos like this and WoW, and I have been followed/stalked and harassed in similar ways too but when you completely ignore the person, and I'm talking about acting as if they don't exist, then they actually do get bored and move on.

If you respond to them in any way, or stop to even acknowledge their presence (with your character ofc) then it only fuels the situation.

Troneon wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

Zone out, wait a few minutes, zone back in...

They will get bored...

Ignore and block.

Get a thicker skin? This is the internet?

I don't condone this at all but honestly if the big bad wolf stranger on a game is bothering you, don't let it?

Believe me, I can - and have - walked away. But seriously, if I have one final freakin quest to finish in a zone and I can't finish that quest because someone is literally screwing up my game - not just tossing out comments, but interfering with gameplay - then I need to log off and start the quest zone again??? And if I don't then I'm letting them bother me?

No. Wrong. Their conduct is interfering with gameplay. To be clear: I'm not talking about comments or even just gestures; this individual was literally preventing me from proceeding with the quest.

Sorry, @Troneon, my skin is thick enough.

How is it stopping your progression in your quest? I don't see how?

If it is, then that is griefing/harassment and should be bannable.

But give specifics, because I am having a hard time thinking of a single quest where anyone can stop you? Unless you let them.

They can kill all the mobs before you can because they're way over-leveled for the zone?

Is that clear enough for you?

Iv had people try that with me a long time ago when I was leveling, I just ran faster and spammed aoe everywhere and they failed at it....

I agree with you don't get me wrong, I just don't believe in waiting for ZOS to magically do something, they won't...or it will be in forever neverland....I believe in solving things myself and working around it.

And I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I'm saying that:

(1) I ignored the person. Completely. Until they started interfering with my game by making it impossible/very difficult to proceed with my quest.

(2) I tried to resolve the issue by asking what was going on. Maybe a mistake but by then I really couldn't play because they were sorcerer spamming AoE and they could literally one shot groups of mobs.

(3) The situation didn't improve from there.

I'm not saying your advice is invalid. Maybe I should have logged off (and eventually that's what I did). But it's incredibly frustrating to have to do so.

That's it.

If they're killing your quest mobs to grief you then that's sure frustrating. The thing is though, it comes down to the individual's perception, you see.. I always leave Karma / Natural Law to deal with such people. It's satisfying.

Awesome. Now tell me how I can call down Karma to blast that idiot into the next universe?

Lmao if only... but yeah, I've witnessed it toooooooo many times when I used to be quite a negative person myself, so I stay on its good side, put it that way.

Soafee wrote: »

Oh how nice. They don't have 24/hour support..

From dying on the very first quest I did in this game, to asking a question in zone and getting told to "get off and go play wow" this game is turning more and more into a waste of money.

I'm sorry that happened to you. In my experience, zone chat is usually helpful. Yesterday, I actually witnesses a pretty interesting exchange in Auridon's zone chat where a player made a rude joke after a new player asked a question, was called out and then apologized, the other players then accepting the apology and telling him to not feel bad for it. I hope you are luckier next time, it seems that you accidentally bumped on the odd kid, unfortunately.

What I normally do is report, then ignore and then port out to an out of the way zone to dump my bags, mail, vendor, decon stuff, get a cup of tea and in the ten or fifteen minutes that takes the person has invariably gotten bored and left. They have the intellect of a frostbitten newt. If they aren't getting some reaction, including a kind inquiry or request to be left alone, they'll keep on being disgusting. I'm not saying it's right that they get to interfere with gameplay, but you can certainly take that power away from them by not being in an area until they get bored. It's better than logging off entirely, that always felt like defeat to me. This way I'm doing something that I need to do at some point anyway and I have the satisfaction of knowing I annoyed them right back by walking away.

While I agree you should ofc report them. You can't expect Zen to pop into the game and save you from other people, on a general basis.

Hopefully this is not a common occurance for you, but for future reference;

These kinds of people get off griefing others (no idea why. psychotic maybe? lol). If you show no signs of appeasing this for them, they'll move on. In other words give them literally zero attention.

Or, maybe as others have said. Get up for a few mins and afk to get a drink, or such.

Let them know that what they're doing is not consensual. Document. Report. Ignore them. Port to another location. If you suspect they are someone in one of your guilds, go offline mode first before porting so that they can't travel to you. Share the story with friends so you can vent.

Tell them your a guy. I get this on my crafter sometimes. As soon as I let them know I'm a dude they usually run off.

More to the point though, even with just a little evidence. They should be temporarily banned at the least.

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I have to agree with Troneon.

I've played plenty of female characters on mmos like this and WoW, and I have been followed/stalked and harassed in similar ways too but when you completely ignore the person, and I'm talking about acting as if they don't exist, then they actually do get bored and move on.

If you respond to them in any way, or stop to even acknowledge their presence (with your character ofc) then it only fuels the situation.

Troneon wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

Zone out, wait a few minutes, zone back in...

They will get bored...

Ignore and block.

Get a thicker skin? This is the internet?

I don't condone this at all but honestly if the big bad wolf stranger on a game is bothering you, don't let it?

Believe me, I can - and have - walked away. But seriously, if I have one final freakin quest to finish in a zone and I can't finish that quest because someone is literally screwing up my game - not just tossing out comments, but interfering with gameplay - then I need to log off and start the quest zone again??? And if I don't then I'm letting them bother me?

No. Wrong. Their conduct is interfering with gameplay. To be clear: I'm not talking about comments or even just gestures; this individual was literally preventing me from proceeding with the quest.

Sorry, @Troneon, my skin is thick enough.

How is it stopping your progression in your quest? I don't see how?

If it is, then that is griefing/harassment and should be bannable.

But give specifics, because I am having a hard time thinking of a single quest where anyone can stop you? Unless you let them.

They can kill all the mobs before you can because they're way over-leveled for the zone?

Is that clear enough for you?

Iv had people try that with me a long time ago when I was leveling, I just ran faster and spammed aoe everywhere and they failed at it....

I agree with you don't get me wrong, I just don't believe in waiting for ZOS to magically do something, they won't...or it will be in forever neverland....I believe in solving things myself and working around it.

And I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I'm saying that:

(1) I ignored the person. Completely. Until they started interfering with my game by making it impossible/very difficult to proceed with my quest.

(2) I tried to resolve the issue by asking what was going on. Maybe a mistake but by then I really couldn't play because they were a sorcerer spamming AoE and they could literally one shot groups of mobs.

(3) The situation didn't improve from there.

I'm not saying your advice is invalid. Maybe I should have logged off (and eventually that's what I did). But it's incredibly frustrating to have to do so.

That's it.

And I gave both of you and insightful because I think your advice is, basically, good advice.

Edit: By the way, I hate sorcerers right now.

The only thing you didnt try was to port to a way shrine where he would have no idea where you went and come back 2-5 mins later. Derp.

Pragmatically zos won't respond immediately, so simply go to the nearest wayshrine and change location. Then continue with your game.

For me it's an easy.... log off and re-log into one of my 14 characters and play for a while. Usually someone wanting to "have fun" or "joke around" just gets bored and moves on to another player if you completely ignore their actions. Obviously your situation produced different results and we are only hearing one side of the situation. I like to always remember there are 3 sides to any situation: Yours, Mine & the Truth. We all have a tainted perception of what actually happened in any situation.

I do know from experience ZOS looks into every report. With cut backs and layoffs I am sure it takes longer now than a few months ago though.

Jar_Ek wrote: »

Pragmatically zos won't respond immediately, so simply go to the nearest wayshrine and change location. Then continue with your game.

lordrichter wrote: »

...Don't respond to the player that is harassing. Just report them, /ignore them, and leave the zone for a while. Go to the bank, sell your junk, repair your armor, practice crafting, farm materials, do some other quest. The longer you are gone, the less chance there is that they will be able to find you again, or you them. It is not impossible, but it might be months between sightings...

These are genuinely good suggestions and, to be honest, I don't need to post on the forum to know these things. As I mentioned before, I was on the last quest of a zone and I just wanted to move on to the next zone - but I needed to finish the quest.

Did I NEED to move on? Was it necessary that I keep working the quest? Well, no, it wasn't life or death, but both of these suggestions require that I, the player, abandon what I'm doing so that an annoying individual is ultimately gratified and successful in driving me from the area.

To be honest, the real reason I posted this is because I'd like to know how Zenimax feels we as players and they, as the developer of this game, should handle the situation. What mechanisms have been placed in the game to address these issues? A customer support system that is only available during business hours? Okay, but that seems somewhat limited, actually.

Zenimax doesn't discuss individual cases of discipline. Again, that's fine and I can understand why. But can they at least say something "generally." Even a "We take a no-tolerance policy towards harassment and players that do this will be subject to disciplinary action," would be nice. But by not addressing the issue at all (I still don't have anything other than the response quoted above), I am left with the impression that they do nothing, they leave it for the fan bases to self-correct, and they have no control over what happens in their own game. In which case, @Troneon and @CrowsDescend are correct - and the responsibility for dealing with this situation lies completely on me.

They should just admit it, if that's how they're managing the game.

I'm not looking someone to defend me. I'd just like to know that if I take the time to report someone, something will be done. Otherwise, I might as well log off and play something else.

Alucardo wrote: »

I stopped playing my female character. I'd get whispered out of no where a lot more often than my male ones did. I finally gave up playing her when some guy messaging me asking about my sex life. When I told him I was a dude he was like "Yeaah right". He shut up when I threatened to send him dik pics, so perhaps you could try that.

This made me laugh. Maybe I'll try that next time, but I suspect I'd have been opened up to another level of ... conversation.